Mechanics of a trade.
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All NFL trades have to be approved by the league office. A "waiver trade" in essence has to be approved by 30 individual teams.
Since the waiver route is only players, there is no ability to use pick(s) to balance the trade.
Finally add that once placed on waivers the player is not subject to recall and the end result is that no player of any value is going that route.
Aside: I seem to remember players being "recalled" from waivers quite a bit in the 60's. May have been around the old process of moving players from the roster to the "taxi squad".
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Gip, if you have to wait until the guy clears waivers in order to trade him (which is not the case), then why wouldn't the Cowboys just grab him in waivers? Then they wouldn't owe us anything. This is simple. Trades aren't allowed after the deadline. Unless "via waivers" means you have to get a waiver from the league in order to do it, lol.
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Gip, you can claim trades are allowed after the deadline if you can convince yourself that waiving someone is a real trade. We get nothing in return for waiving anyone, surely you know that by now?
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You can see a scenario where two teams would each agree to each put a certain player on waivers.
It's just hard to see a scenario where such a "deal" could make its way to the intended exchange.
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You can see a scenario where two teams would each agree to each put a certain player on waivers.
It's just hard to see a scenario where such a "deal" could make its way to the intended exchange.
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Yeah that waiver deal sounds a little risky. Kind of like buying your neighbors TV by him leaving it in the front yard overnight and you putting the cash on the sidewalk...
WSS
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Yeah that waiver deal sounds a little risky. Kind of like buying your neighbors TV by him leaving it in the front yard overnight and you putting the cash on the sidewalk...
WSS
Yeah that waiver deal sounds a little risky. Kind of like buying your neighbors TV by him leaving it in the front yard overnight and you putting the cash on the sidewalk...
WSS
Steve, you'd obviously put it in a brown paper bag in a nearby trash can.
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Yeah that waiver deal sounds a little risky. Kind of like buying your neighbors TV by him leaving it in the front yard overnight and you putting the cash on the sidewalk...
WSS
Steve, you'd obviously put it in a brown paper bag in a nearby trash can.
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Its says that post trade deadline trades are allowed, but only via waivers.
I don't know about you....but allowed means allowed.
Usually, there is fairly little activity on this day and almost no star players are ever dealt to other clubs on the sixth week of the season. The early deadline, along with players having to learn a whole new system on the fly, along with the salary cap often makes it difficult to make blockbuster trades on this day, unlike most other sports. Post deadline trades are not allowed.
It's funny, because that's what I see.
Usually, there is fairly little activity on this day and almost no star players are ever dealt to other clubs on the sixth week of the season. The early deadline, along with players having to learn a whole new system on the fly, along with the salary cap often makes it difficult to make blockbuster trades on this day, unlike most other sports. Post deadline trades are not allowed.
It's funny, because that's what I see.
Not sure where you are seeing the "Not" in that statement. Are you Wayne's World or something?
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All NFL trades have to be approved by the league office. A "waiver trade" in essence has to be approved by 30 individual teams.
Since the waiver route is only players, there is no ability to use pick(s) to balance the trade.
Finally add that once placed on waivers the player is not subject to recall and the end result is that no player of any value is going that route.
Aside: I seem to remember players being "recalled" from waivers quite a bit in the 60's. May have been around the old process of moving players from the roster to the "taxi squad".
All NFL trades have to be approved by the league office. A "waiver trade" in essence has to be approved by 30 individual teams.
I understand that.....a player that is attempted to be traded must pass waivers (a waiver claim cannot be submitted....that is what I said)
Since the waiver route is only players, there is no ability to use pick(s) to balance the trade.
OK, that may be possible....that a post trade deadline trade must be player for player.....no draft picks.
Finally add that once placed on waivers the player is not subject to recall and the end result is that no player of any value is going that route.
No, no, no...that is not my understanding......I am of the opinion that is a waiver claim can be put it, then the team can pull him back.
Aside: I seem to remember players being "recalled" from waivers quite a bit in the 60's. May have been around the old process of moving players from the roster to the "taxi squad".
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This below is from your link Gip.....clearly states that once waived, you cannot recall or withdraw the player....
Ive read, read and read somemore and cannot find a single source that states you can trade after the deadline, though Ive found multiple(every) sources that say no trades after the deadline.....think you're fighting a losing battle and for what?
"".......the waiver period lasts 24 hours and all waivers are categorized as โno recallโ and โno withdrawal,โ which means once a club waives a player, it cannot take the player back or change the playerโs status"""
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Yeah that waiver deal sounds a little risky. Kind of like buying your neighbors TV by him leaving it in the front yard overnight and you putting the cash on the sidewalk...
WSS
Steve, you'd obviously put it in a brown paper bag in a nearby trash can.
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Usually, there is fairly little activity on this day and almost no star players are ever dealt to other clubs on the sixth week of the season. The early deadline, along with players having to learn a whole new system on the fly, along with the salary cap often makes it difficult to make blockbuster trades on this day, unlike most other sports. Post deadline trades are not allowed.
It's funny, because that's what I see.
Not sure where you are seeing the "Not" in that statement. Are you Wayne's World or something?
Not sure where you are seeing the "Not" in that statement. Are you Wayne's World or something?
Are you serious or are you fucking with me?
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The trade deadline was Nov. 3rd and even Farmer is not dumb enough to just cut him.
I understand about the trade deadline......but I don't think that means that there is an absolute prohibition against making a trade. There may be other necessary hoops to jump through....but to just say "trades are verboten" I don't think is accurate.
I understand about the trade deadline......but I don't think that means that there is an absolute prohibition against making a trade. There may be other necessary hoops to jump through....but to just say "trades are verboten" I don't think is accurate.
Yes it is Gip- go find an instance where it's happened. When you waive a player, he's gone, and up for grabs by all the other 31 teams. If he clears waivers, he's a FA, and can sign with any team. See: Pryor, Terrell.
On a similar note he can't really talk to Nick Saban or Jon Gruden until after the Super Bowl, or can he?
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As was pointed out- during the season, NFL teams are only restricted talking to people under contract with another NFL team.
Are you serious or are you fucking with me?
Gip just hates to be proven wrong. We can't trade Johnny until March 15th, though there could be a deal in principle made long before that.
2016 significant dates:
January 17: Playoff teams' assistant coaches can be interviewed for head coaching positions until the end of divisional playoff games.
January 18: Deadline for underclassmen to enter the draft.
January 23: East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida.
January 24: Conference championship games.
January 30: Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama.
January 31: NFL Pro Bowl, Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, Hawaii. Assistant coaches participating in the Super Bowl can have a second interview for a head coaching job prior to the Super Bowl.
February 7: Super Bowl 50, Levi's Stadium, Santa Clara, California.
February 22: Franchise tag period starts
February 23-29: NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana
March 7: Franchise tag deadline, 4:00 p.m. ET.
March 12-15: Free agency negotiating period, starts noon ET. No contracts can be executed yet.
March 15: League Year and Free Agency Period begin at 4:00 p.m. ET, allowing teams to sign unrestricted free agents. Trading period begins.
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I understand about the trade deadline......but I don't think that means that there is an absolute prohibition against making a trade. There may be other necessary hoops to jump through....but to just say "trades are verboten" I don't think is accurate.
Yes it is Gip- go find an instance where it's happened. When you waive a player, he's gone, and up for grabs by all the other 31 teams. If he clears waivers, he's a FA, and can sign with any team. See: Pryor, Terrell.
On a similar note he can't really talk to Nick Saban or Jon Gruden until after the Super Bowl, or can he?
WSS
As was pointed out- during the season, NFL teams are only restricted talking to people under contract with another NFL team.
Are you serious or are you fucking with me?
Gip just hates to be proven wrong. We can't trade Johnny until March 15th, though there could be a deal in principle made long before that.
2016 significant dates:
January 17: Playoff teams' assistant coaches can be interviewed for head coaching positions until the end of divisional playoff games.
January 18: Deadline for underclassmen to enter the draft.
January 23: East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida.
January 24: Conference championship games.
January 30: Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama.
January 31: NFL Pro Bowl, Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, Hawaii. Assistant coaches participating in the Super Bowl can have a second interview for a head coaching job prior to the Super Bowl.
February 7: Super Bowl 50, Levi's Stadium, Santa Clara, California.
February 22: Franchise tag period starts
February 23-29: NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana
March 7: Franchise tag deadline, 4:00 p.m. ET.
March 12-15: Free agency negotiating period, starts noon ET. No contracts can be executed yet.
March 15: League Year and Free Agency Period begin at 4:00 p.m. ET, allowing teams to sign unrestricted free agents. Trading period begins.
Yes it is Gip- go find an instance where it's happened. When you waive a player, he's gone, and up for grabs by all the other 31 teams. If he clears waivers, he's a FA, and can sign with any team. See: Pryor, Terrell.
As was pointed out- during the season, NFL teams are only restricted talking to people under contract with another NFL team.
Gip just hates to be proven wrong.
Perhaps, but the fact is what I looked up said that post trade deadline trades could be made......so its not like I completely made it up.
And maybe I AM mixing up my sports....because know that post trade deadline trades have been made in baseball. I recall some trades being "blocked" because a rival team did not want a particular team to acquire a certain player after the trade deadline.
We can't trade Johnny until March 15th, though there could be a deal in principle made long before that.
2016 significant dates:
January 17: Playoff teams' assistant coaches can be interviewed for head coaching positions until the end of divisional playoff games.
January 18: Deadline for underclassmen to enter the draft.
January 23: East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida.
January 24: Conference championship games.
January 30: Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama.
January 31: NFL Pro Bowl, Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, Hawaii. Assistant coaches participating in the Super Bowl can have a second interview for a head coaching job prior to the Super Bowl.
February 7: Super Bowl 50, Levi's Stadium, Santa Clara, California.
February 22: Franchise tag period starts
February 23-29: NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana
March 7: Franchise tag deadline, 4:00 p.m. ET.
March 12-15: Free agency negotiating period, starts noon ET. No contracts can be executed yet.
March 15: League Year and Free Agency Period begin at 4:00 p.m. ET, allowing teams to sign unrestricted free agents. Trading period begins.
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