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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gftchris said:

    Worst to first teams recently:

    2014: Texans are in that conversation, and have gone from top pick to leading their (weak) division, not because of Jadevion Clowney, but the overall team.

    2013: Chiefs were top pick in 2013, and went from 2-14 to 10-6 or whatever it was - in spite of their 'franchise' LT, Eric Fisher, being the biggest bust in a long time.

    2012: Colts went from 2-14 to 11-5 by drafting Andrew Luck - but this team was only 2-14 because they had no QB, Peyton Manning got injured and they 'lucked' in to the best QB to declare in a generation.

    2000 Patriots: 5-11 2001 Patriots.....Won the Super Bowl...Belichick and Brady came in together

    1998 Rams: 4-12, 1999 Rams....Won the Super Bowl. Warner and Vermeil.

    With the right coach and QB, the Browns would only take 2 years. 1984 Browns: 5-11. 1986 Browns: Should have gone to the Super Bowl.

    We just need a Marty and a Bernie.

    jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on
    #37

    @the-gipper said:

    2000 Patriots: 5-11 2001 Patriots.....Won the Super Bowl...Belichick and Brady came in together

    1998 Rams: 4-12, 1999 Rams....Won the Super Bowl. Warner and Vermeil.

    With the right coach and QB, the Browns would only take 2 years. 1984 Browns: 5-11. 1986 Browns: Should have gone to the Super Bowl.

    We just need a Marty and a Bernie.

    Again, just to affirm my comment what we're talking about (worst to first) teams literally happened 11 years in a row from '02-'13. There's a shit ton of precedent for it.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #38

    jrb,

    The rebuttal has been that many of the worsts were also preceded by firsts. Many attributable to the QB positon alone.

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  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    @the-gipper said:

    2000 Patriots: 5-11 2001 Patriots.....Won the Super Bowl...Belichick and Brady came in together

    1998 Rams: 4-12, 1999 Rams....Won the Super Bowl. Warner and Vermeil.

    With the right coach and QB, the Browns would only take 2 years. 1984 Browns: 5-11. 1986 Browns: Should have gone to the Super Bowl.

    We just need a Marty and a Bernie.

    Again, just to affirm my comment what we're talking about (worst to first) teams literally happened 11 years in a row from '02-'13. There's a shit ton of precedent for it.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #39

    @jrb12711 said:

    Again, just to affirm my comment what we're talking about (worst to first) teams literally happened 11 years in a row from '02-'13. There's a shit ton of precedent for it.

    It happens like every year in the NFCSouth. This year seems to be an exception.

  • ConnerLangfordC ConnerLangford wrote on
    #40

    The Browns are like a high school relationship, you say you're done every week but you always keep coming back

  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on
    #41

    They're in my DNA, I've lived outside Tampa for 15 years and never even considered rooting for another team. I'm too hard core and my family is too.

    We had season tickets for 20 years and it was the best feeling to take the rapid downtown with your friends. I pray something good happens but then reality sinks in. Maybe qualified General Managers and coached don't want to risk their careers by committing to Cleveland. Could be.

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
  • P Pumpkin Eater wrote on
    #42

    Panthers went 1-15 in 2003. 7-9 in 2004. 11-5 and Super Bowl runner-ups in 2005. That's what real progress looks like.

    :neutral_face:
  • P Pumpkin Eater

    Panthers went 1-15 in 2003. 7-9 in 2004. 11-5 and Super Bowl runner-ups in 2005. That's what real progress looks like.

    flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on
    #43

    @pumpkin-eater said:

    Panthers went 1-15 in 2003. 7-9 in 2004. 11-5 and Super Bowl runner-ups in 2005. That's what real progress looks like.

    in a losing division

    P 1 Reply
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #44

    also were 7-9 in 2002...

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  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    @pumpkin-eater said:

    Panthers went 1-15 in 2003. 7-9 in 2004. 11-5 and Super Bowl runner-ups in 2005. That's what real progress looks like.

    in a losing division

    P Pumpkin Eater wrote on
    #45

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    in a losing division

    The buccaneers were defending Super Bowl champs in 2005.

    :neutral_face:
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    also were 7-9 in 2002...

    P Pumpkin Eater wrote on
    #46

    @tour2ma said:

    also were 7-9 in 2002...

    Which is a shitty record. Unless your a Browns fan I guess?

    :neutral_face:
  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    @mudfly said:

    We get that....it is hard....but when you are the WORST team, then its a bigger job than most.....and probably takes longer.....make sense?

    Just because we've been waiting forever, doesnt mean some new guys can just show up and make it better over night....thats not reality...more like just wishful thinking and unrealistic expectations...

    It would, except worst to first scenario literally occurred 11 years in a row: http://thebiglead.com/2013/08/14/nfl-worst-to-first-streak-at-10-years-who-will-it-be-in-2013/. That's pretty indicative of a norm wouldn't you say? (including chiefs)

    We have a foundation for this team, and I would absolutely disagree that we are totally devoid of talent. The people who run the show blow and it's becoming more and more clear to me every week. I hate blowing up the team like anyone else but these guys have to go. With a right fit in the draft we could easily turn this ship around in a hurry.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #47

    @jrb12711 said:

    It would, except worst to first scenario literally occurred 11 years in a row: That's pretty indicative of a norm wouldn't you say?

    Well...considering there are 8 last place teams every year...which would be 88 last place teams over 11 years......

    and how many of the 88 did you say did it?.....11 or 12......because Id think the "norm" is what happens the most.....

    and how many of those went from 4-12 to first?....cause a lot of them already had better records and were in worse divisions...

    Sorry.....its not the norm....its the exception.....

    And if your expectation is for someone to come in here and turn this around in a year or two.....yer gonna be awfully disappointed(again)...(and again).....(and again)....

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