Kruger Knows What You're Feeling Mario
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Nah... just good to be talking again. Only reason I mentioned BLT is because that's where Rex and Pet common coaching path started.
I've little doubt Pet was on a tight rein in NYJ... IIRC getting out of Rex's shadow was part of the reason for the move to BUF.
While I think Pet took the core philosophy of starting with strong CB play with him to BUF and CLE, I think the overall D has evolved.... or maybe devolved depending on your point of view.
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Well... you two have convinced me of one thing...
I am no longer open to scooping up Rexy as our DC once BUF dumps him in 2 weeks...
Well... you two have convinced me of one thing...
I am no longer open to scooping up Rexy as our DC once BUF dumps him in 2 weeks...
That will cost Buffalo $25 million
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That will cost Buffalo $25 million
I haven't been paying attention to the drama going down in Buffalo, are you saying this could be Rexy's last year?
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That will cost Buffalo $25 million
I haven't been paying attention to the drama going down in Buffalo, are you saying this could be Rexy's last year?
I haven't been paying attention to the drama going down in Buffalo, are you saying this could be Rexy's last year?
I can't imagine the Bills are eating that much salary and as in Cleveland who wants to coach the Bills
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Flug, your typically one of the better posters on this board but this post leaves me scratching my head.
What does Mario Williams have to do with Paul Kruger?
What does Rex Ryan have to do with Pettine?
What does the Buffalo Bills have to do with the Cleveland Browns?
Just another effort to discredit Pettine....but without any stats or facts.....just the same innuendo weve been hearing for weeks, without any backing....
Probably the reason he's using the Buffalo article to back his argument, because there are no facts, stats or articles relating to Cleveland that will support this Kruger coverage argument....
Just another effort to discredit Pettine....but without any stats or facts.....just the same innuendo weve been hearing for weeks, without any backing....
Probably the reason he's using the Buffalo article to back his argument, because there are no facts, stats or articles relating to Cleveland that will support this Kruger coverage argument....
How about 3-13 in year 2? I'd call those some important stats.
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The reason I brought up Arians was to remind people there's always somebody. Who did Minnesota choose and how is that working? How about Oakland? Seems to me there's inspired candidates for Head Coaching jobs. Ron Rivera has also turned Carolina after some early growing pains.
Ron Rivera is a horrible choice for your argument. He's been on the chopping block in Carolina for years but they stuck with him and the team has turned around. Cleveland fans would've run him out after year 2. 6-10 and 7-9 to start. Everyone in carolina hated him.
2 new coaches have worked....several haven't. It's not a guarantee that it will change if we hire the next coordinator. Could be Arians...could be Shurmer.
Ron Rivera is a horrible choice for your argument. He's been on the chopping block in Carolina for years but they stuck with him and the team has turned around. Cleveland fans would've run him out after year 2. 6-10 and 7-9 to start. Everyone in carolina hated him.
2 new coaches have worked....several haven't. It's not a guarantee that it will change if we hire the next coordinator. Could be Arians...could be Shurmer.
But obviously his teams were showing improvement . You don't see that here. We are looking at 3-13 not 7-9.
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QBs are the reason for the examples you gave flugs. simple as that. things turned around for rivera once they got newton after building his defense.........
minnesota: bridgewater and petersen. oakland: carr and cooper arizone: really? do i have to say it?
the browns have yet to address the offense for playmakers as their #1 choices in the draft. i kinda think they wanted to build the lines and the backend of the D first. maybe, if haslam doesn't clean house, they might get that opportunity. if not, then everything is gone, once again cuz the new guy will want to reshuffle the deck and do it another way.
good luck with that.
QBs are the reason for the examples you gave flugs. simple as that. things turned around for rivera once they got newton after building his defense.........
minnesota: bridgewater and petersen. oakland: carr and cooper arizone: really? do i have to say it?
the browns have yet to address the offense for playmakers as their #1 choices in the draft. i kinda think they wanted to build the lines and the backend of the D first. maybe, if haslam doesn't clean house, they might get that opportunity. if not, then everything is gone, once again cuz the new guy will want to reshuffle the deck and do it another way.
good luck with that.
Wtf are you taking about? The panthers drafted Newton #1 after going 2-14 in Fox's last year, before Riviera ever coached a game dumbass.
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Flug, your typically one of the better posters on this board but this post leaves me scratching my head.
What does Mario Williams have to do with Paul Kruger?
What does Rex Ryan have to do with Pettine?
What does the Buffalo Bills have to do with the Cleveland Browns?
Just another effort to discredit Pettine....but without any stats or facts.....just the same innuendo weve been hearing for weeks, without any backing....
Probably the reason he's using the Buffalo article to back his argument, because there are no facts, stats or articles relating to Cleveland that will support this Kruger coverage argument....
.... because there are no facts, stats or articles relating to Cleveland that will support this Kruger coverage argument....
How about 3-13 in year 2? I'd call those some important stats.
Not if we are talking about Kruger....how he is used....and how it relates to the Buffalo Defense....
And we are......
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Well you said People were posting worthless shit to discredit Pettine. All that needs to be said is 3-13.
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Well you said People were posting worthless shit to discredit Pettine. All that needs to be said is 3-13.
Well you said People were posting worthless shit to discredit Pettine. All that needs to be said is 3-13.
and you missed the point and context of the discussion......twice.....
But thanks for letting me know their record, cause no one here knew that....
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I was replying only to your statement regarding the attempted discrediting of Pettine. I don't know why you are having difficulty understanding that. Perhaps you are just being a contrarian.
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I was replying only to your statement regarding the attempted discrediting of Pettine. I don't know why you are having difficulty understanding that. Perhaps you are just being a contrarian.
Perhaps you are just being a contrarian.
Or....perhaps not.
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Ron Rivera is a horrible choice for your argument. He's been on the chopping block in Carolina for years but they stuck with him and the team has turned around. Cleveland fans would've run him out after year 2. 6-10 and 7-9 to start. Everyone in carolina hated him.
2 new coaches have worked....several haven't. It's not a guarantee that it will change if we hire the next coordinator. Could be Arians...could be Shurmer.
But obviously his teams were showing improvement . You don't see that here. We are looking at 3-13 not 7-9.
But obviously his teams were showing improvement . You don't see that here. We are looking at 3-13 not 7-9.
I don't think pettine gets fired...yet....However you make an excellent point. We will be 3-13 unless some miracle occurs. I think if this shit does not get fixed, whether it's this or that or that or this, if we start out like 0-4 next yr, he's gone and should be. There is a strong case that he should be fired after this yr., but i don't think it happens. Now the gm, that's another story. He may be gone after this yr. Someone is going to be. There has to be when you are 3-18 in your last 21 games...
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Ron Rivera is a horrible choice for your argument. He's been on the chopping block in Carolina for years but they stuck with him and the team has turned around. Cleveland fans would've run him out after year 2. 6-10 and 7-9 to start. Everyone in carolina hated him.
2 new coaches have worked....several haven't. It's not a guarantee that it will change if we hire the next coordinator. Could be Arians...could be Shurmer.
But obviously his teams were showing improvement . You don't see that here. We are looking at 3-13 not 7-9.
Rivera's Panthers went 12-4 in 2013.But obviously his teams were showing improvement . You don't see that here. We are looking at 3-13 not 7-9.
Then in 2014 their record regressed to 7-8-1.
Using your logic, Rivera should've been shitcanned at the end of 2014.
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If not for a playoff appearance both years he probably would have been. They actually won a playoff game last year when they went 7-8-1. Had they regressed this year he would be on the hot seat.
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