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  • Why would he want to go to the same type of defensive scheme he hated in Buffalo?

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    Why would he want to go to the same type of defensive scheme he hated in Buffalo?

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Why would he want to go to the same type of defensive scheme he hated in Buffalo?

    He didn't hate it when Pettine ran it, in fact he was quite successful. Our system is based on Rex Ryan's but isn't the same.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Why would he want to go to the same type of defensive scheme he hated in Buffalo?

    He didn't hate it when Pettine ran it, in fact he was quite successful. Our system is based on Rex Ryan's but isn't the same.

    @gftchris said:

    He didn't hate it when Pettine ran it, in fact he was quite successful. Our system is based on Rex Ryan's but isn't the same.

    Touche, Chris. Touche.

    I've been a huge Williams fan since he was taken #1, and I was in the camp that favored his selection over Bush. Reggie Bush was one of the best college players I've ever seen, but a dominant pass rusher means the world in the NFL.

  • I would take Williams in a hot second.....his pass rush is exactly what we need up front.....

    And, rather than wait for the cut(which might get him cheaper).....Id offer Kruger and a later pick(we have a bunch of 5's)(Mingo too)....

    That way we dump our overpriced pass rusher, making room for the REAL pass rusher AND cover a good part of his contract too

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    I would take Williams in a hot second.....his pass rush is exactly what we need up front.....

    And, rather than wait for the cut(which might get him cheaper).....Id offer Kruger and a later pick(we have a bunch of 5's)(Mingo too)....

    That way we dump our overpriced pass rusher, making room for the REAL pass rusher AND cover a good part of his contract too

    @mudfly said:

    I would take Williams in a hot second.....his pass rush is exactly what we need up front.....

    And, rather than wait for the cut(which might get him cheaper).....Id offer Kruger and a later pick(we have a bunch of 5's)(Mingo too)....

    That way we dump our overpriced pass rusher, making room for the REAL pass rusher AND cover a good part of his contract too

    DING DING DING.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    I would take Williams in a hot second.....his pass rush is exactly what we need up front.....

    And, rather than wait for the cut(which might get him cheaper).....Id offer Kruger and a later pick(we have a bunch of 5's)(Mingo too)....

    That way we dump our overpriced pass rusher, making room for the REAL pass rusher AND cover a good part of his contract too

    @mudfly said:

    I would take Williams in a hot second.....his pass rush is exactly what we need up front.....

    And, rather than wait for the cut(which might get him cheaper).....Id offer Kruger and a later pick(we have a bunch of 5's)(Mingo too)....

    That way we dump our overpriced pass rusher, making room for the REAL pass rusher AND cover a good part of his contract too

    Yeah you pull that off and I would be all for hearing at the next Browns press conference.......we would like to introduce the Cleveland Browns new GM, Mudfly
    "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978

  • Ha!.....I know, I know......nobody would take Kruger and that contract.......(just a pipe dream)......

    The only way to get rid of Kruger is gonna be to cut him out right.....and we have zero OLB's, so sad to say, we will probably keep him......

    Hopefully, we will sign or draft his replacement......THEN we can have an $8,000,000 back up......😉

  • Dwayne bowe 2.0

  • Drop Bowe and make cap space available for Williams if it can be done that way. Bowe is a huge waste of bench space.

  • Right....they HAVE TO cut Bowe.....have to.....no way he can stay another year.....

    And, if he stays, they are paying him way more than the $9M people keep mentioning.....it'll be more like $12M, I do believe....

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Right....they HAVE TO cut Bowe.....have to.....no way he can stay another year.....

    And, if he stays, they are paying him way more than the $9M people keep mentioning.....it'll be more like $12M, I do believe....

    @mudfly said:

    Right....they HAVE TO cut Bowe.....have to.....no way he can stay another year.....

    And, if he stays, they are paying him way more than the $9M people keep mentioning.....it'll be more like $12M, I do believe....

    IIRC, $12.5m over two years, fully guaranteed for the first year, half for year two, so we're on the hook for around $3m next year regardless. May be more intricate than that, but that is the simple version.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @mudfly said:

    Right....they HAVE TO cut Bowe.....have to.....no way he can stay another year.....

    And, if he stays, they are paying him way more than the $9M people keep mentioning.....it'll be more like $12M, I do believe....

    IIRC, $12.5m over two years, fully guaranteed for the first year, half for year two, so we're on the hook for around $3m next year regardless. May be more intricate than that, but that is the simple version.

    @gftchris said:

    IIRC, $12.5m over two years, fully guaranteed for the first year, half for year two, so we're on the hook for around $3m next year regardless. May be more intricate than that, but that is the simple version.

    My take too.....

    Same with Kruger.....we've "almost" met the guarantee with him too.......so, if we keep him, he's in at 7 or 8 million for the season.....but if we cut him, it only costs us 2.5 mil (or so)....

    Back to Williams....my only concern would be his bitching bout the "system" and basically blaming his coach for his failure to play well this season.....kinda what Kruger did, but MUCH louder and in a more public way.....

    That is worrisome.....

  • He's bitched whenever a DC has tried to stand him up. Mud. Did the same in Houston years ago when Wade Phillips arrived. Part of the reason he went to Buffalo.

    Mario is still a relatively young, ten-year vet, but has some miles on him. I'd be wary of a long-term deal.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    He's bitched whenever a DC has tried to stand him up. Mud. Did the same in Houston years ago when Wade Phillips arrived. Part of the reason he went to Buffalo.

    Mario is still a relatively young, ten-year vet, but has some miles on him. I'd be wary of a long-term deal.

    @tour2ma said:

    He's bitched whenever a DC has tried to stand him up. Mud. Did the same in Houston years ago when Wade Phillips arrived. Part of the reason he went to Buffalo.

    Mario is still a relatively young, ten-year vet, but has some miles on him. I'd be wary of a long-term deal.

    Even more worrisome then.....

    And those contact lenses he wears?.......pretty damn creepy.....

    mario-williams-red-contacts-147904272584

  • And here's more on Williams, an article just posted to NFL.com.....hmmm.....was I too fast in saying sign him????

    From the article.....

    This week, we check in on Mario Williams in Buffalo, where a divorce is almost certainly inevitable. The Associated Press reported this week that the team plans on releasing the defensive end in an effort to save more than $12 million.

    But it seems like there are reasons beyond finance, and one unnamed Bills player has the low down.

    "It's been clear to me that Mario doesn't care about anybody but himself," the teammate said, via The Buffalo News. "He followed that up by not giving any effort during the season and complaining about the scheme instead of manning up and saying he played like crap and doesn't care."

    The person added that Williams has "totally checked out."

    So.....WOW.....those are some strong words from a teammate.....(sounds like Dansby and Whitner sounded recently)....

    Here's the link.....

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000613483/article/anonymous-bills-player-mario-williams-checked-out

  • So he's not a "stand up" kind of guy? (rim shot)

    If I ran a 4-3, I'd want Mario. Near DT weight with near OLB speed makes one helluva DE.

    Also works as a 3-4 hybrid DE opposite Kruger... more or less as a super-Sheard. But as a Kruger replacement? No...

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  • Of course he replaces Kruger, we can't keep Kruger on staff. Can't.

  • we use him like Pettine used when he was tehre, as a true Jack that just dropped into zone. He played well in that scheme. But most of his snaps have to be with his hands down. Pettine just has to go back to what he ran in Buffalo. This experimenting he did this year "I HOPE" was because he was trying to find some use for our edges because they couldn't get the job done. This is why i want to retain Pettine, so he has time to get his players. Signing Mario would OBVIOUSLY be a step toward that. And if Mario gets 12+ sacks next year we know that Pettine's system can still get the job done.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    So he's not a "stand up" kind of guy? (rim shot)

    If I ran a 4-3, I'd want Mario. Near DT weight with near OLB speed makes one helluva DE.

    Also works as a 3-4 hybrid DE opposite Kruger... more or less as a super-Sheard. But as a Kruger replacement? No...

    @tour2ma said:

    So he's not a "stand up" kind of guy? (rim shot)

    If I ran a 4-3, I'd want Mario. Near DT weight with near OLB speed makes one helluva DE.

    Also works as a 3-4 hybrid DE opposite Kruger... more or less as a super-Sheard. But as a Kruger replacement? No...

    If Bosa isn't what the Browns are looking for, what would be the issue with having Mario play anywhere from the 5-7 with his hand in the ground?

  • So let me get this straight people. A player is getting CUT because he sucked this past year and we are supposed to pick him up and all of a sudden he is a superstar? Sounds to me that he has reached the age of retirement 3 years before his contract ran out. This reeks of Bowe all over again.

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