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  • C Chicopee John

    @tour2ma said:

    Because we so easily replaced Mack last year?

    If we lose Mitchell as well to FA, then we've got OL issues.

    Thomas and Mack gone?

    The 2 best picks since 1999? (Mack turned out to be a good player, but a C can never be a game changer and there were great LBs on the board at that time. Clay Matthews is only one of them - and HE is a game changer)

    Kind of crazy but, what the heck - the team can't run the ball worth a ship any way.

    Always wondered how 2 Pro Bowl lineman and a young, budding future PBer can play for a team that can't run the ball for ship.

    I was ridiculed earlier this year that either the OL is way overrated or the RBs suck.

    I still say they suck as, if nothing else, great RBs make it easier for an OL to do its job.

    If you cannot run, you cannot run.

    @chicopee-john said:

    Thomas and Mack gone?

    Maybe, but with Joe it'd be "retirement".

    The Mitch I referred to is Schwartz who will be a RFA this off-season... and was PFF's top rated RT and top ten OT as of a couple weeks ago.

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  • wow, browns fans just don't get it.

    let me remind all of you next year when mack is gone and whoever our QB is getting thumped from up the middle pressure, who you said you could live without.

    RichiswhereR Z 2 Replies
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    wow, browns fans just don't get it.

    let me remind all of you next year when mack is gone and whoever our QB is getting thumped from up the middle pressure, who you said you could live without.

    @miktoxic said:

    wow, browns fans just don't get it.

    let me remind all of you next year when mack is gone and whoever our QB is getting thumped from up the middle pressure, who you said you could live without.

    Didn't they all get thumped this year?
    "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978

  • you mean johnny and davis?

    i don't think you could say that about our starting QB. he just got his head bashed in when he left the pocket.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    wow, browns fans just don't get it.

    let me remind all of you next year when mack is gone and whoever our QB is getting thumped from up the middle pressure, who you said you could live without.

    @miktoxic said:

    wow, browns fans just don't get it.

    let me remind all of you next year when mack is gone and whoever our QB is getting thumped from up the middle pressure, who you said you could live without.

    Let me remind you of the last six years, when he was under contract, yet unhappy... and we were a top team team in both pass protection and rushing ... oh wait, that never happened?

    Quick ... name Tom Brady's Center.

    Zombo

    miktoxicM 1 Reply

  • Brady Quinn homo fan club?

    Sounds like an old board member.

  • Just ask Josh McCown! He's lucky to be alive! Then Johnny goes in running for his life!mthen Austin Davis gets sacked and fumbles!

    But the Oline is a bunch of Pro Bowlers who suck!

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    you mean johnny and davis?

    i don't think you could say that about our starting QB. he just got his head bashed in when he left the pocket.

    @miktoxic said:

    you mean johnny and davis?

    i don't think you could say that about our starting QB. he just got his head bashed in when he left the pocket.

    Ah... but he often left the pocket for good reason... unlike JM...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • W Why

    Don't blame him . . . Franchise is a joke

    @why said:

    Don't blame him . . . Franchise is a joke

    Correct. We should be happy to let Joe go also...He ain't seein not only a superbowl with this shitass team, he aint seein the playoffs or maybe even a winning record before he is old and grey...The guy deserves a fucking chance. We should be emailing fucking haslem asking him to have mercy on poor joe and hook him up with a contender before it's too late...

  • Z Zombo

    @miktoxic said:

    wow, browns fans just don't get it.

    let me remind all of you next year when mack is gone and whoever our QB is getting thumped from up the middle pressure, who you said you could live without.

    Let me remind you of the last six years, when he was under contract, yet unhappy... and we were a top team team in both pass protection and rushing ... oh wait, that never happened?

    Quick ... name Tom Brady's Center.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Let me remind you of the last six years, when he was under contract, yet unhappy... and we were a top team team in both pass protection and rushing ... oh wait, that never happened?

    Quick ... name Tom Brady's Center.

    Zombo

    couldn't tell you. only other center i know off the top of my head is mangold, obvious reasons.

    funny though i got a steeler's fan who knows more about the brown's personnel than half the fans on here and named off all the pro bowlers on the team and said 'that's a good core of players to build around' and then i laughed because i know those core players all want the fuck out of cleveland............and i don't blame them.

    lodiloboL 1 Reply

  • No idea but I would have to guess given a choice between a good player and a shity player, one might assume the good one would make for a better line.

    WSS

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    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    Zombo said:

    Let me remind you of the last six years, when he was under contract, yet unhappy... and we were a top team team in both pass protection and rushing ... oh wait, that never happened?

    Quick ... name Tom Brady's Center.

    Zombo

    couldn't tell you. only other center i know off the top of my head is mangold, obvious reasons.

    funny though i got a steeler's fan who knows more about the brown's personnel than half the fans on here and named off all the pro bowlers on the team and said 'that's a good core of players to build around' and then i laughed because i know those core players all want the fuck out of cleveland............and i don't blame them.

    @miktoxic said:

    couldn't tell you. only other center i know off the top of my head is mangold, obvious reasons.

    funny though i got a steeler's fan who knows more about the brown's personnel than half the fans on here and named off all the pro bowlers on the team and said 'that's a good core of players to build around' and then i laughed because i know those core players all want the fuck out of cleveland............and i don't blame them.

    Thomas and Mack are both on the downside of their careers, and it showed this season. All of these players who want out should be shown the door. The success or failure of this team isn't going to be determined by a couple of washed up linemen. The Oline sucked all season. If that's what a couple of overpaid, under acheiving offensive line players gets you, then please...don't let the door hit you in the ass.

  • The team may have been a bit better if Mack had played better.

    All these guys saying "I want out of here"......half the time THEY were the problem here.

    W 1 Reply

  • D BONE = Get me the fuck out of here

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    The team may have been a bit better if Mack had played better.

    All these guys saying "I want out of here"......half the time THEY were the problem here.

    @the-gipper said:

    The team may have been a bit better if Mack had played better.

    All these guys saying "I want out of here"......half the time THEY were the problem here.

    That's a fact. Mac never wanted to be here even before. So fuck him. I think everyone is exaggerating Joe Thomas response. He is extremely disappointed and said he wasn't sure what he wanted with changes coming. Who would? And until they clarify the responsibilities of this bean counting affirmative action hack lawyer it would seem that everyone involved would be on the fence.

    I'm usually among the biggest rah rah keep the positive attitude let's go browns guy you will ever find. I specifically waited to hear the Jimmy Haslam statement.

    Until there is some further explaination, the guy sounds like a half wit.

    WSS

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons

  • Losing Mack is fine.

    JT you have to leave it up to him and respect his decision. If he decides he wants out then who could blame him, and we'll still get a decent value in return for him.

  • And if we could get a first round pick for Joe it's probably time to do it. He's not getting any younger and we could use the draft picks.

    Can Denver do it now for the playoffs, like in baseball?

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    No idea but I would have to guess given a choice between a good player and a shity player, one might assume the good one would make for a better line.

    WSS

    Problem is that a late first for Joe is not enough value...

    @westside-steve said:

    No idea but I would have to guess given a choice between a good player and a shity player, one might assume the good one would make for a better line.

    I think I see a ScoutMaster candidate...

    @bbedward said:

    Losing Mack is fine.

    JT you have to leave it up to him and respect his decision. If he decides he wants out then who could blame him, and we'll still get a decent value in return for him.

    Agree totally on Mack, but we can't lose him and Mitch and Joe... not all in the same year. Joe needs to stay... at least for now.

    Some very great players have been stuck with very bad franchises their entire careers... many in an era where player mobility was nowhere close to where it is today. Joe made his choice when he signed his extension.

    He stays for now...

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  • JT wants out and thats obvious. I think it really hurts him but its true. He has maybe 3-4 years till he is done and wants to compete. You could just hear it in his presser. The only guys that will be for sure starting on the O-line next year is Irving, Bitonio, and Greco... Scary. People will really miss Mack when Irving is getting blown into the QB's lap every other play. That dude needs to hit the weight room big time this off-season.

  • A Few Mack Questions

    One of the subjects on this board that has been of particular interest to me is Alex Mack, since he signed an offer sheet with my Jaguars a while back, and it sounds as if he may be leaving you guys.

    From reading this board, the general impression I get is that by his standards, this was a down year for him. If so, to what do you attribute this? Do you think it was lingering effects from his broken leg? How did the bad play manifest itself? I've seen some indicate he'd lose at the point of attack and get stuffed into the backfield. Did he lose mobility/pulling ability? Do you think somehow he lost motivation? I read one blurb/article (can't remember where) that indicated his play improved over the course of the year. Is this true?

    One more question-as crazy as it sounds. How are his shotgun snaps? Have you guys had any problems with them from him? The past couple of years have been nightmarish for us in that area.

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