In the second round, the Cleveland Browns select...
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A lot depends on Josh Gordon.
Yes
If he's fully back, engaged, off the ridiculous amount of things the NFL bans,
Not sure what the odds are, hoping for 50/50?
we don't need a WR. Him and Benjamin outside could be huge, with Barnidge at TE.
Disagree that we don't need a WR, but with Gordon it becomes a much lower priority. We definitely need a decent #2 to put in that group. 2013 Gordon, 2015 Barnidge, and 2015 Benjamin has out WR situation not looking so bad. Having Gordon+#2 receive+Barnidge really opens up a lot more for Benjamin - and really our entire offense in general.
Our situation is not as bad as everybody is making it seem, if you're looking at it from an optimistic standpoint we may have 4 pro-bowl potential lineman on the team - Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, and Schwartz. I said potential, but that's a very good group - even losing Mack we still have a better group than most in the league.
2013 Gordon was the best receiver in the NFL - 2015 Barnidge was a top 5 receiving TE in the NFL, and Benjamin is just a speedy big-play threat. Also Johnson, who has shown quite the competence as a receiving back.
From the optimistic view point, we won't be throwing a rookie QB into the wolves - we're throwing him behind one of the best OL units in football, and possibly an excellent receiving core.
We might just have a pretty fun offense that scores a lot of points in 2016, might
Yes
Not sure what the odds are, hoping for 50/50?
Disagree that we don't need a WR, but with Gordon it becomes a much lower priority. We definitely need a decent #2 to put in that group. 2013 Gordon, 2015 Barnidge, and 2015 Benjamin has out WR situation not looking so bad. Having Gordon+#2 receive+Barnidge really opens up a lot more for Benjamin - and really our entire offense in general.
Our situation is not as bad as everybody is making it seem, if you're looking at it from an optimistic standpoint we may have 4 pro-bowl potential lineman on the team - Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, and Schwartz. I said potential, but that's a very good group - even losing Mack we still have a better group than most in the league.
2013 Gordon was the best receiver in the NFL - 2015 Barnidge was a top 5 receiving TE in the NFL, and Benjamin is just a speedy big-play threat. Also Johnson, who has shown quite the competence as a receiving back.
From the optimistic view point, we won't be throwing a rookie QB into the wolves - we're throwing him behind one of the best OL units in football, and possibly an excellent receiving core.
We might just have a pretty fun offense that scores a lot of points in 2016, might
Travis Benjamin would need to be resigned, does he want to stick around?
There's no dominant receiver to be had in free agency this year, but some very solid options for a #2. Alshon Jeffery, Marvin Jones, Sanu, Kearse and so on
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Yes
Not sure what the odds are, hoping for 50/50?
Disagree that we don't need a WR, but with Gordon it becomes a much lower priority. We definitely need a decent #2 to put in that group. 2013 Gordon, 2015 Barnidge, and 2015 Benjamin has out WR situation not looking so bad. Having Gordon+#2 receive+Barnidge really opens up a lot more for Benjamin - and really our entire offense in general.
Our situation is not as bad as everybody is making it seem, if you're looking at it from an optimistic standpoint we may have 4 pro-bowl potential lineman on the team - Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, and Schwartz. I said potential, but that's a very good group - even losing Mack we still have a better group than most in the league.
2013 Gordon was the best receiver in the NFL - 2015 Barnidge was a top 5 receiving TE in the NFL, and Benjamin is just a speedy big-play threat. Also Johnson, who has shown quite the competence as a receiving back.
From the optimistic view point, we won't be throwing a rookie QB into the wolves - we're throwing him behind one of the best OL units in football, and possibly an excellent receiving core.
We might just have a pretty fun offense that scores a lot of points in 2016, might
Travis Benjamin would need to be resigned, does he want to stick around?
There's no dominant receiver to be had in free agency this year, but some very solid options for a #2. Alshon Jeffery, Marvin Jones, Sanu, Kearse and so on
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I think the biggest beneficiary of Hue Jackson will be Travis Benjamin. See the way he utilised reverses and other trick plays in Cinci, Benjamin is surely the go to guy for that.
Another thing to consider, They used Sanu on a lot of tricks where Dalton threw a lateral pass to him, and he's then throw a TD across the field or some such. Terrelle Pryor might be in line for that role.
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We gonna trick our way to something?
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OK which one of you guys pissed him off? He does not like his 2nd round grade and is determined to use the combine to get into the first round by outworking everybody every day from now thru the draft.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/derrick-henry-is-angry-he-got-a-second-round-nfl-draft-grade
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OK which one of you guys pissed him off? He does not like his 2nd round grade and is determined to use the combine to get into the first round by outworking everybody every day from now thru the draft.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/derrick-henry-is-angry-he-got-a-second-round-nfl-draft-grade
OK which one of you guys pissed him off? He does not like his 2nd round grade and is determined to use the combine to get into the first round by outworking everybody every day from now thru the draft.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/derrick-henry-is-angry-he-got-a-second-round-nfl-draft-grade
I hope somebody does take him in the first round. That's a stupid move that we used to make, it would be good to see someone else do it.
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They also stuck with Gus Bradley and his 12 wins in 3 seasons....allowing him to upgrade the staff(including new coordinators) and the talent(which was low).....rather than just starting over......
So they worked through the problems and made adjustments instead of just throwing in the towel.....
The difference is that Gus Bradley isn't a shitty coach like Mike Pettine was.
Visit a Jags forum. They may disagree with that assessment.The difference is that Gus Bradley isn't a shitty coach
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Visit a Jags forum. They may disagree with that assessment.The difference is that Gus Bradley isn't a shitty coach
Visit a Jags forum. They may disagree with that assessment.
There's an opinion for everything.
Somewhere people are saying "I wish we still had Shurmer."
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This draft is loaded with DE/DT talent. I think we'll find one at #32.
Hopefully we get a healthy haden next year and ike preo-limu ( or whatever ) comes out of nowhere.
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And then there is my favorite RB.
I could live with a decent WR, just to give whomever a prayer of not getting sacked 8 times a game.
And then there is my favorite RB.
I could live with a decent WR, just to give whomever a prayer of not getting sacked 8 times a game.
???
How does a decent WR prevent the QB from being sacked?
Especially with an O-line that is problematic.
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Oh yes PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us draft a QB in the first and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let him ride the bench for 2 years and then maybe give him 5 games to learn the offense under 2 different coaches with 2 different OC and then wonder why it wont work.
if we draft a QB with the 2nd pick he starts day one.
no more let's see what happens when guys have a year or two to try and develop them. bortles, mariota, winston, luck........put that fucker in. hopefully he has a better line than tim couch had.
if we draft a QB with the 2nd pick he starts day one.
no more let's see what happens when guys have a year or two to try and develop them. bortles, mariota, winston, luck........put that fucker in. hopefully he has a better line than tim couch had.
Totally disagree.
I saw a piece on ESPN several years ago where they interviewed a lot of the top QBs that were drafted and started on day 1.
TO A MAN, they all said they were clueless and didn't know WTF they were doing until around week 10. Didn't matter what talent level, either. Physically or intellectually. They ALL stated that they weren't ready for the pro game.
The problem with most teams today is that they play the #1 QB the entire game - whether you're up by 20 or down by 20, or even if he's having a bad day. That's the time to get the younger guy in there and get some snaps and a feel for the pro game. Coaches/teams used to do this in the past, but don't anymore. This is the right way to develop a QB. Always has been. Always will be.
If they mistakenly draft a QB with their first pick, then I am in favor of keeping Manziel and throwing him to the wolves until the new guy is ready.
So, unless Goff is the rare LeBron James of QBs, then you DON'T start him day 1.
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Because he's open quicker?
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Because he's open quicker?
... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
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Because he's open quicker?
... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
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... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
Bingo! Plus I also thought a lot of it had more to do with the crazy scheme than it did with the talent. Miscommunication was happening so often it was leaving people free to zip right through. Even so look how long Josh held the ball before the sack on the plays where the OL got it right. Nobody open and midgets to throw to.
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... while the QB is on his back or eating grass/turf...
He's open.
It doesn't prevent the sack... he's not blocking anyone...
A better O-line prevents the sack, not a better WR.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
Coverage sack......think about that for a second.
Our QBs rarely have that much time.
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A lot depends on Josh Gordon. If he's fully back, engaged, off the ridiculous amount of things the NFL bans, we don't need a WR. Him and Benjamin outside could be huge, with Barnidge at TE.
A lot depends on Josh Gordon. If he's fully back, engaged, off the ridiculous amount of things the NFL bans, we don't need a WR. Him and Benjamin outside could be huge, with Barnidge at TE.
Hue Jackson comes from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree.
And when you think of guys from that tree ... Cowher, Herm Edwards, Dungy, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin ... they all were "Players Coaches", not because they were soft on players ... but because the players respected them. Kind of in a fatherly way. Leading by example. Not detached.
I'm thinking Hue Jackson can be Josh Gordon's daddy. Get him to straighten out and play hard for him.
And Hue loves pocket passers throwing vertical ... think of how well Josh did under Norv Turner.
I'm thinking Josh has a chance to be a star again, and may not blow it this time.
Zombo
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A lot depends on Josh Gordon. If he's fully back, engaged, off the ridiculous amount of things the NFL bans, we don't need a WR. Him and Benjamin outside could be huge, with Barnidge at TE.
Hue Jackson comes from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree.
And when you think of guys from that tree ... Cowher, Herm Edwards, Dungy, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin ... they all were "Players Coaches", not because they were soft on players ... but because the players respected them. Kind of in a fatherly way. Leading by example. Not detached.
I'm thinking Hue Jackson can be Josh Gordon's daddy. Get him to straighten out and play hard for him.
And Hue loves pocket passers throwing vertical ... think of how well Josh did under Norv Turner.
I'm thinking Josh has a chance to be a star again, and may not blow it this time.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Hue Jackson comes from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree.
And when you think of guys from that tree ... Cowher, Herm Edwards, Dungy, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin ... they all were "Players Coaches", not because they were soft on players ... but because the players respected them. Kind of in a fatherly way. Leading by example. Not detached.
I'm thinking Hue Jackson can be Josh Gordon's daddy. Get him to straighten out and play hard for him.
And Hue loves pocket passers throwing vertical ... think of how well Josh did under Norv Turner.
I'm thinking Josh has a chance to be a star again, and may not blow it this time.
Zombo
Now that is funny . JG has had more chances and lied about his use more than JM, but just he can be turned around by Hue being his daddy?
Think about that and let it sink in. Who has betrayed the team by not even being available the better part of two years? Sure you can say both but then they should get equal treatment.
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Zombo said:
Hue Jackson comes from the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree.
And when you think of guys from that tree ... Cowher, Herm Edwards, Dungy, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin ... they all were "Players Coaches", not because they were soft on players ... but because the players respected them. Kind of in a fatherly way. Leading by example. Not detached.
I'm thinking Hue Jackson can be Josh Gordon's daddy. Get him to straighten out and play hard for him.
And Hue loves pocket passers throwing vertical ... think of how well Josh did under Norv Turner.
I'm thinking Josh has a chance to be a star again, and may not blow it this time.
Zombo
Now that is funny . JG has had more chances and lied about his use more than JM, but just he can be turned around by Hue being his daddy?
Think about that and let it sink in. Who has betrayed the team by not even being available the better part of two years? Sure you can say both but then they should get equal treatment.
Now that is funny . JG has had more chances and lied about his use more than JM, but just he can be turned around by Hue being his daddy?
Think about that and let it sink in. Who has betrayed the team by not even being available the better part of two years? Sure you can say both but then they should get equal treatment.
You are comparing a wide receiver who has sat out for a year, and his chances for a comeback versus a QB that according to all reports is not wanted by the new coach. And I believe that has more to do with playing style and what we have seen from him on the field ... he's not a Hue guy.
Johnny will get a second chance, it just won't be here, Bud.
Zombo
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