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Oh come on floog. Greg Hardy vs a guy that drinks champagne and sings karaoke in public. Please. Johnny is a kid with first-round skills. Sure he's immature and a pain in the ass but face it the media and the Cleveland fans have taken it to a ridiculous level beginning with hyperventilating over something as benign as the money sign. I'm sure the kid read the papers and I'm positive he realized from the start that the front office or at least some on the coaching staff didn't want him.
I don't doubt that he would do well in Dallas, and I don't doubt that Jerry Jones let it be known he like to have him.
If the bar I play at hates me, even if only in my head, and the really nice bar down the street would love to have me I'd do what I could to get out of my contract.
Again if it was me and I read message boards like this one? Be honest you guys would too. We are human beings.
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"twinkle tits" Manziel
dude, i was out to the pub when i read this and used that line all night long.
got giant fabs screaming at cars driving by called strangers twinkle tits johnny....or billy.
hilarious!
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Oh come on floog. Greg Hardy vs a guy that drinks champagne and sings karaoke in public. Please. Johnny is a kid with first-round skills. Sure he's immature and a pain in the ass but face it the media and the Cleveland fans have taken it to a ridiculous level beginning with hyperventilating over something as benign as the money sign. I'm sure the kid read the papers and I'm positive he realized from the start that the front office or at least some on the coaching staff didn't want him.
I don't doubt that he would do well in Dallas, and I don't doubt that Jerry Jones let it be known he like to have him.
If the bar I play at hates me, even if only in my head, and the really nice bar down the street would love to have me I'd do what I could to get out of my contract.
Again if it was me and I read message boards like this one? Be honest you guys would too. We are human beings.
WSS
Oh come on floog. Greg Hardy vs a guy that drinks champagne and sings karaoke in public. Please. Johnny is a kid with first-round skills. Sure he's immature and a pain in the ass but face it the media and the Cleveland fans have taken it to a ridiculous level beginning with hyperventilating over something as benign as the money sign. I'm sure the kid read the papers and I'm positive he realized from the start that the front office or at least some on the coaching staff didn't want him.
I don't doubt that he would do well in Dallas, and I don't doubt that Jerry Jones let it be known he like to have him.
If the bar I play at hates me, even if only in my head, and the really nice bar down the street would love to have me I'd do what I could to get out of my contract.
Again if it was me and I read message boards like this one? Be honest you guys would too. We are human beings.
WSS
That brat wore me right out. If you feel like he's a horse worth betting on - let's hope you have better luck than the only team willing to say "we believe in you" as early as round 1.
EVERY time he showed progress or some reason we should almost believe in him - nobody but him undid it. Do you REALLY think a starting QB of a football team that is putting his career first should be out all liquored up after hours during the work week that Z was disappointed to inform us about? We can edit this to what we WANTED/NEEDED all we want but this guy gave every one of us the same middle finger he gave an opponent in front of the television cameras. If that's what you want here as the face of this franchise - I can't stop you. The last time anyone saw that face of this franchise - it was wearing a wig, mustache and fake first name in Vegas. Where is the heart warm I'm missing here? This comes from a knucklehead that was actually excited we drafted the brat.
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Oh come on floog. Greg Hardy vs a guy that drinks champagne and sings karaoke in public. Please. Johnny is a kid with first-round skills. Sure he's immature and a pain in the ass but face it the media and the Cleveland fans have taken it to a ridiculous level beginning with hyperventilating over something as benign as the money sign. I'm sure the kid read the papers and I'm positive he realized from the start that the front office or at least some on the coaching staff didn't want him.
I don't doubt that he would do well in Dallas, and I don't doubt that Jerry Jones let it be known he like to have him.
If the bar I play at hates me, even if only in my head, and the really nice bar down the street would love to have me I'd do what I could to get out of my contract.
Again if it was me and I read message boards like this one? Be honest you guys would too. We are human beings.
WSS
... but how do you really feel, Flugs?
If the bar I play at hates me, even if only in my head, and the really nice bar down the street would love to have me I'd do what I could to get out of my contract.
But would you do it by acting even more like the person the bar that "hates you" thinks you are?
And again with the money sign?
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... but how do you really feel, Flugs?
If the bar I play at hates me, even if only in my head, and the really nice bar down the street would love to have me I'd do what I could to get out of my contract.
But would you do it by acting even more like the person the bar that "hates you" thinks you are?
And again with the money sign?
... but how do you really feel, Flugs?
But would you do it by acting even more like the person the bar that "hates you" thinks you are?
Well if you think about it there is some twisted logic to be found in that. Bar #1 does not like me for what they think I am. I really hate working for someone who hates me for this anyway. So maybe if I up the anti by doing the thing they hate the most, they will release me from this contract so I can go where they like me regardless. Browns made it clear in public that they didn't care for JM unlike other franchises who made it clear to their QB draft choices that they did want them (at least in public). I mean why would you say in public that ,"you are not the starter here"? Sure maybe behind closed doors you tell a person what they need to do to become the starter and promise all the support they need to make the conversion from college to pros. I felt that Pettine got off on the wrong foot from the beginning with JM.
Don't get me wrong. I don't really buy into the theory that JM from the beginning was trying to get traded. Everything he did in practice and on the field told me he was really trying to make the conversion in 2015 when he realized in the Cinn. game of 2014 that his way was a disaster. But still why would you want to plant resentment in your QB by being so public about what should have stayed in the locker room?
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... but how do you really feel, Flugs?
If the bar I play at hates me, even if only in my head, and the really nice bar down the street would love to have me I'd do what I could to get out of my contract.
But would you do it by acting even more like the person the bar that "hates you" thinks you are?
And again with the money sign?
Me? Today? I'm not sure. But I guarantee that if I'd been the number one guy my whole life before I came there and felt i was being disrespected by being stuck as the opening act to a couple guys I felt were inferior, who knows?... but how do you really feel, Flugs?
But would you do it by acting even more like the person the bar that "hates you" thinks you are?
And again with the money sign?
And whether or not he's immature, & I agree with that, that bar down the street would like me to start.
Instead of looking forward to riding the pine for two more years except for emergencies.
But if you have time to waste do a search on the Browns board for the words money sign. A truly meaningless complaint which got a lot of air around these parts.
WSS
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So putting aside everyone's feelings as homers, haters, enablers, fanboys or whatever, if the goal is to trade Johnny how about the Houston Texans?
I don't dislike Brian Hoyer but the poor bastard had a terrible day today. Much worse than the Browns vs Kansas City.
Unless the Houston fans are as easily offended as Cleveland fans, this should be a beneficial trade.
WSS
So putting aside everyone's feelings as homers, haters, enablers, fanboys or whatever, if the goal is to trade Johnny how about the Houston Texans?
I don't dislike Brian Hoyer but the poor bastard had a terrible day today. Much worse than the Browns vs Kansas City.
Unless the Houston fans are as easily offended as Cleveland fans, this should be a beneficial trade.
WSS
My sense, Steve, is the Texans will go QB hunting in the Draft. Otherwise in the Veteran and / or FA derby.
Honestly, I don't see Houston (or anybody else) giving up more than a 6-pack of Blatz for JFF.
Houston is coming on strong and taking a chance on Manziel would be foolhardy, IMHO.
O'Brien is a no-nonsense guy.
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So putting aside everyone's feelings as homers, haters, enablers, fanboys or whatever, if the goal is to trade Johnny how about the Houston Texans?
I don't dislike Brian Hoyer but the poor bastard had a terrible day today. Much worse than the Browns vs Kansas City.
Unless the Houston fans are as easily offended as Cleveland fans, this should be a beneficial trade.
WSS
My sense, Steve, is the Texans will go QB hunting in the Draft. Otherwise in the Veteran and / or FA derby.
Honestly, I don't see Houston (or anybody else) giving up more than a 6-pack of Blatz for JFF.
Houston is coming on strong and taking a chance on Manziel would be foolhardy, IMHO.
O'Brien is a no-nonsense guy.
Doesn't look like it's served him very well so far but...My sense, Steve, is the Texans will go QB hunting in the Draft. Otherwise in the Veteran and / or FA derby.
Honestly, I don't see Houston (or anybody else) giving up more than a 6-pack of Blatz for JFF.
Houston is coming on strong and taking a chance on Manziel would be foolhardy, IMHO.
O'Brien is a no-nonsense guy.
Not to mention that if Hackenberg is the answer why waste your resources on Goff?
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Why would the Texans trade for Manziel when they could give the Titans and offer they couldn't refuse for the number 1 pick and take God err Goff
Because they would have to pull an RGIII + deal to move up enough to take him. As was said- they'll probably sit pat and take Hackenberg.
Because one is going to cost you three first round picks, while Manziel could be had for almost nothing?
O'Brien is going to draft Hackenberg anyways...
What I worry about in the draft is some qb needy team that DOES have enough ammo to jump the Browns will move up to #1. (the only teams that realistically can are the Cowboys @ #4, and the 49ers @ #7.)
Because they would have to pull an RGIII + deal to move up enough to take him. As was said- they'll probably sit pat and take Hackenberg.
What I worry about in the draft is some qb needy team that DOES have enough ammo to jump the Browns will move up to #1. (the only teams that realistically can are the Cowboys @ #4, and the 49ers @ #7.)
I would take the Cowboys out of that list, they might take a QB at #4 if they really like one, but with the few years left of Romo they are in no position to give away draft picks.
The 49ers definitely have the ammunition - 2 4th rounders, 3 5th rounders and possibly 4 6th rounders...
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Doesn't look like it's served him very well so far but...My sense, Steve, is the Texans will go QB hunting in the Draft. Otherwise in the Veteran and / or FA derby.
Honestly, I don't see Houston (or anybody else) giving up more than a 6-pack of Blatz for JFF.
Houston is coming on strong and taking a chance on Manziel would be foolhardy, IMHO.
O'Brien is a no-nonsense guy.
Not to mention that if Hackenberg is the answer why waste your resources on Goff?
WSS
Doesn't look like it's served him very well so far but...
Not to mention that if Hackenberg is the answer why waste your resources on Goff?
WSS
Good points. Who was the genius with the Tom Savage idea down there before they had to look to Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer and Case Keenum and Yates?
I've only seen Hackenberg a couple times; but he looked about as slow at processing what was in front of him as Brady Quinn did. If the NFL has a Evelyn Woodhead Speed reading class/clinic for QBs this kid needs it or he's going to need a lot more than back brace to hold him together, Can you believe there's a sale on duck tape ad next to me while I'm typing this jibberish about what's going to hold an ackey-breaky Hackenberg together?
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But Hackensack is big and has a strong arm, Flugs...
Ag... I've diassembled the "not our starter" thing a few times already... not inclined to do it again.
Steve... just was throwing back what you threw at me a couple days ago.
I'm so fucking tired of debating Manziel. Just want him gone so we can move on...
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But Hackensack is big and has a strong arm, Flugs...
Ag... I've diassembled the "not our starter" thing a few times already... not inclined to do it again.
Steve... just was throwing back what you threw at me a couple days ago.
I'm so fucking tired of debating Manziel. Just want him gone so we can move on...
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But Hackensack is big and has a strong arm, Flugs...
Ag... I've diassembled the "not our starter" thing a few times already... not inclined to do it again.
Steve... just was throwing back what you threw at me a couple days ago.
I'm so fucking tired of debating Manziel. Just want him gone so we can move on...
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Because they would have to pull an RGIII + deal to move up enough to take him. As was said- they'll probably sit pat and take Hackenberg.
What I worry about in the draft is some qb needy team that DOES have enough ammo to jump the Browns will move up to #1. (the only teams that realistically can are the Cowboys @ #4, and the 49ers @ #7.)
I would take the Cowboys out of that list, they might take a QB at #4 if they really like one, but with the few years left of Romo they are in no position to give away draft picks.
The 49ers definitely have the ammunition - 2 4th rounders, 3 5th rounders and possibly 4 6th rounders...
I would take the Cowboys out of that list, they might take a QB at #4 if they really like one, but with the few years left of Romo they are in no position to give away draft picks.
The 49ers definitely have the ammunition - 2 4th rounders, 3 5th rounders and possibly 4 6th rounders...
good point. 49ers 1st, 2nd, 4th, and a second next year might do it.
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Why would the Texans trade for Manziel when they could give the Titans and offer they couldn't refuse for the number 1 pick and take God err Goff
Because one is going to cost you three first round picks, while Manziel could be had for almost nothing?
O'Brien is going to draft Hackenberg anyways...
Because one is going to cost you three first round picks, while Manziel could be had for almost nothing?
O'Brien is going to draft Hackenberg anyways...
Good point.....Was Hackenberg an O'Brien recruit? Or was that Joe Paterno? Either way, O'Brien coached him at Penn St. And Hack did better under O'Brien.
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I'm not even a texans fan but after the 3rd int i couldn't even look at Hoyers face. I felt so bad for Watt.
I'm not even a texans fan but after the 3rd int i couldn't even look at Hoyers face. I felt so bad for Watt.
I was looking for Weeden's face....but it never showed up.
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Why would the Texans trade for Manziel when they could give the Titans and offer they couldn't refuse for the number 1 pick and take God err Goff
Because they would have to pull an RGIII + deal to move up enough to take him. As was said- they'll probably sit pat and take Hackenberg.
Because one is going to cost you three first round picks, while Manziel could be had for almost nothing?
O'Brien is going to draft Hackenberg anyways...
What I worry about in the draft is some qb needy team that DOES have enough ammo to jump the Browns will move up to #1. (the only teams that realistically can are the Cowboys @ #4, and the 49ers @ #7.)
Because they would have to pull an RGIII + deal to move up enough to take him. As was said- they'll probably sit pat and take Hackenberg.
Texas maybe able to get RGIII himself.....and maybe should do so.
What I worry about in the draft is some qb needy team that DOES have enough ammo to jump the Browns will move up to #1. (the only teams that realistically can are the Cowboys @ #4, and the 49ers @ #7.)
Let them.....none of these QBs are #1 quality. Let someone trade for Goff/Lynch....and the Browns get Bosa.
That is what the analytics would say, No?
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RG3 played it cool. I have respect for him now. He showed professionalism a la Alex Smith.
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