If we draft Goff
-
I'm 95% sure that we are taking Goff at this point. Johnny obviously isn't the solution, and McCown is too old to build your franchise around.
So if we take Goff, I pray he turns out like Andrew Luck.
So if Goff is like Andrew Luck, we will basically be the Indianapolis Colts, A team with a good Quarterback with a few offensive weapons and a below average defense....
-
I'm 95% sure that we are taking Goff at this point. Johnny obviously isn't the solution, and McCown is too old to build your franchise around.
So if we take Goff, I pray he turns out like Andrew Luck.
So if Goff is like Andrew Luck, we will basically be the Indianapolis Colts, A team with a good Quarterback with a few offensive weapons and a below average defense....
I'm 95% sure that we are taking Goff at this point. Johnny obviously isn't the solution, and McCown is too old to build your franchise around.
So if we take Goff, I pray he turns out like Andrew Luck.
So if Goff is like Andrew Luck, we will basically be the Indianapolis Colts, A team with a good Quarterback with a few offensive weapons and a below average defense....
No we will still be the Browns chasing the tail of the latest "sure thing" QB to be followed by the next firing of the new HC & GM 2 years from now when that doesn't work out and shortly followed by choosing the next ex-Browns "sure thing" QB. Let's just all eat dog turds instead in Cabernet marinade. At least it will leave a better taste in the mouth.
-
I'm 95% sure that we are taking Goff at this point. Johnny obviously isn't the solution, and McCown is too old to build your franchise around.
So if we take Goff, I pray he turns out like Andrew Luck.
So if Goff is like Andrew Luck, we will basically be the Indianapolis Colts, A team with a good Quarterback with a few offensive weapons and a below average defense....
I'm 95% sure that we are taking Goff at this point. Johnny obviously isn't the solution, and McCown is too old to build your franchise around.
So if we take Goff, I pray he turns out like Andrew Luck.
So if Goff is like Andrew Luck, we will basically be the Indianapolis Colts, A team with a good Quarterback with a few offensive weapons and a below average defense....
Ya that would suck having a franchise QB but not being good enough to get to the SB the first four years.
We haven't had a franchise QB since the last time the Bungles won a playoff game ... or the Browns., I'll take my chances with a 15 year window with one.
IF he's the guy. If not ... keep trying.
Who's left in the AFC? Brady, Manning, Ben, Alex Smith.
They have all been starters for 10-15 years? Gotta get one, gotta develop him, gotta keep him.
Zombo
-
I'm 95% sure that we are taking Goff at this point. Johnny obviously isn't the solution, and McCown is too old to build your franchise around.
So if we take Goff, I pray he turns out like Andrew Luck.
So if Goff is like Andrew Luck, we will basically be the Indianapolis Colts, A team with a good Quarterback with a few offensive weapons and a below average defense....
No we will still be the Browns chasing the tail of the latest "sure thing" QB to be followed by the next firing of the new HC & GM 2 years from now when that doesn't work out and shortly followed by choosing the next ex-Browns "sure thing" QB. Let's just all eat dog turds instead in Cabernet marinade. At least it will leave a better taste in the mouth.
Don't remember the last "sure thing" talent we've drafted (at QB)No we will still be the Browns chasing the tail of the latest "sure thing" QB to be followed by the next firing of the new HC & GM 2 years from now when that doesn't work out and shortly followed by choosing the next ex-Browns "sure thing" QB. Let's just all eat dog turds instead in Cabernet marinade. At least it will leave a better taste in the mouth.
...Tim couch in 99'?
-
Don't remember the last "sure thing" talent we've drafted (at QB)No we will still be the Browns chasing the tail of the latest "sure thing" QB to be followed by the next firing of the new HC & GM 2 years from now when that doesn't work out and shortly followed by choosing the next ex-Browns "sure thing" QB. Let's just all eat dog turds instead in Cabernet marinade. At least it will leave a better taste in the mouth.
...Tim couch in 99'?
-
One of the problems with goff is that there are tons of opinions saying he either isn't good or is just ok. There is general agreeement that the top 2 qbs in this class(lynch and goff) are not as good of prospects over the top 2 qbs last year(Jameis and mariota). Goff looks ok on tape.....he's not anywhere close to a sure thing(and by sure thing I mean sure thing to be decent)
If I were in charge, I'd trade down a bit and try to get two of those studs on Alabama's defensive line,.....
-
This formula doesn't work in Cleveland. We cant take a QB and build around him. We have to build the trenches up first then bring in a QB eitehr through draft or FA. Goff will not develop here. We're in antoher rebuild phase. We're going to lose at least 2 starters from our O line, so anybody think Goff is going to come in and do something? No he won't even start next year if/when McCown gets hurt. Than he'll run for his life and be in the protocol within 3 games. Career flounders after that. You wanna waste the 1st pick on that? Why take a QB with the 1st when he's not that virtually sure thing? We're gonna suck for at least a couple years so we'll have a perennially high pick. So why not wait till the right guy is gonna come out instead of overreaching on a project?
-
I'm 95% sure that we are taking Goff at this point. Johnny obviously isn't the solution, and McCown is too old to build your franchise around.
So if we take Goff, I pray he turns out like Andrew Luck.
So if Goff is like Andrew Luck, we will basically be the Indianapolis Colts, A team with a good Quarterback with a few offensive weapons and a below average defense....
Ya that would suck having a franchise QB but not being good enough to get to the SB the first four years.
We haven't had a franchise QB since the last time the Bungles won a playoff game ... or the Browns., I'll take my chances with a 15 year window with one.
IF he's the guy. If not ... keep trying.
Who's left in the AFC? Brady, Manning, Ben, Alex Smith.
They have all been starters for 10-15 years? Gotta get one, gotta develop him, gotta keep him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I'll take my chances with a 15 year window with one.
IF he's the guy. If not ... keep trying.
Who's left in the AFC? Brady, Manning, Ben, Alex Smith.
They have all been starters for 10-15 years? Gotta get one, gotta develop him, gotta keep him.
Zombo
This ^^^ Haslem is the owner. go to his presser at 11:00 to 11:44 (QB) than at 13:40 to 13:55 (build draft) than at 14:30 to 14:50 (JM). Z is dead on & we will be drafting a QB. We Gotta (JM is as good as gone) Develop under/over Josh (perfect) Keep him (Alex Smith ends suitable list of QB in this league.) Can Goff be a Cousins or Hoyer that could be a Bridgewater to get a team to playoffs is the decision.
-
This formula doesn't work in Cleveland. We cant take a QB and build around him. We have to build the trenches up first then bring in a QB eitehr through draft or FA. Goff will not develop here. We're in antoher rebuild phase. We're going to lose at least 2 starters from our O line, so anybody think Goff is going to come in and do something? No he won't even start next year if/when McCown gets hurt. Than he'll run for his life and be in the protocol within 3 games. Career flounders after that. You wanna waste the 1st pick on that? Why take a QB with the 1st when he's not that virtually sure thing? We're gonna suck for at least a couple years so we'll have a perennially high pick. So why not wait till the right guy is gonna come out instead of overreaching on a project?
This formula doesn't work in Cleveland. We cant take a QB and build around him. We have to build the trenches up first then bring in a QB eitehr through draft or FA. Goff will not develop here. We're in antoher rebuild phase. We're going to lose at least 2 starters from our O line, so anybody think Goff is going to come in and do something? No he won't even start next year if/when McCown gets hurt. Than he'll run for his life and be in the protocol within 3 games. Career flounders after that. You wanna waste the 1st pick on that? Why take a QB with the 1st when he's not that virtually sure thing? We're gonna suck for at least a couple years so we'll have a perennially high pick. So why not wait till the right guy is gonna come out instead of overreaching on a project?
Because we clearly haven't spent a lot of money and draft picks on our lines. Thank God we found those UDFA's Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joel Bitonio, Danny Shelton, Phil Taylor, Mitchell Schwartz, and Cam Erving.
-
If the Browns draft Goff he'll struggle and it will be blamed on a new HC and a poor offensive line, however profootballfocus.com will rank 4 of our 5 OL as future hall of famers.
-
Goff is the man.
Drafting the rejects nobody else wanted (a LA Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, and Johnny Manziel) is not even close to drafting the consensus #1 QB prospect.
-
This formula doesn't work in Cleveland. We cant take a QB and build around him. We have to build the trenches up first then bring in a QB eitehr through draft or FA. Goff will not develop here. We're in antoher rebuild phase. We're going to lose at least 2 starters from our O line, so anybody think Goff is going to come in and do something? No he won't even start next year if/when McCown gets hurt. Than he'll run for his life and be in the protocol within 3 games. Career flounders after that. You wanna waste the 1st pick on that? Why take a QB with the 1st when he's not that virtually sure thing? We're gonna suck for at least a couple years so we'll have a perennially high pick. So why not wait till the right guy is gonna come out instead of overreaching on a project?
Because we clearly haven't spent a lot of money and draft picks on our lines. Thank God we found those UDFA's Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joel Bitonio, Danny Shelton, Phil Taylor, Mitchell Schwartz, and Cam Erving.
Because we clearly haven't spent a lot of money and draft picks on our lines. Thank God we found those UDFA's Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joel Bitonio, Danny Shelton, Phil Taylor, Mitchell Schwartz, and Cam Erving.
and? we haven't gotten our lines right. I think that's pretty evident right? Until we do we're gonna suck. I don't care who our QB is, we will suck.
-
Because we clearly haven't spent a lot of money and draft picks on our lines. Thank God we found those UDFA's Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joel Bitonio, Danny Shelton, Phil Taylor, Mitchell Schwartz, and Cam Erving.
and? we haven't gotten our lines right. I think that's pretty evident right? Until we do we're gonna suck. I don't care who our QB is, we will suck.
and? we haven't gotten our lines right. I think that's pretty evident right? Until we do we're gonna suck. I don't care who our QB is, we will suck.
If everybody stays - Thomas, Schwartz, and Mack our line is pretty close to being right. We're borderline 4 pro bowlers there with Bitonio.
You don't skip a franchise QB because you need a pass rusher, or any of that other silly logic.
The consensus #1 is there for the taking this year.
-
and? we haven't gotten our lines right. I think that's pretty evident right? Until we do we're gonna suck. I don't care who our QB is, we will suck.
If everybody stays - Thomas, Schwartz, and Mack our line is pretty close to being right. We're borderline 4 pro bowlers there with Bitonio.
You don't skip a franchise QB because you need a pass rusher, or any of that other silly logic.
The consensus #1 is there for the taking this year.
If the guy is your franchise quarterback no doubt.If everybody stays - Thomas, Schwartz, and Mack our line is pretty close to being right. We're borderline 4 pro bowlers there with Bitonio.
You don't skip a franchise QB because you need a pass rusher, or any of that other silly logic.
The consensus #1 is there for the taking this year.
A quarter pounder with cheese is maybe McDonalds best sandwich but probably won't get you 5 stars on Zagat.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
and? we haven't gotten our lines right. I think that's pretty evident right? Until we do we're gonna suck. I don't care who our QB is, we will suck.
If everybody stays - Thomas, Schwartz, and Mack our line is pretty close to being right. We're borderline 4 pro bowlers there with Bitonio.
You don't skip a franchise QB because you need a pass rusher, or any of that other silly logic.
The consensus #1 is there for the taking this year.
You don't skip a franchise QB because you need a pass rusher, or any of that other silly logic.
There is no franchise QB in this draft. There's only a bunch of "maybe maybe nots". You don't spend a top 10 pick on that with so many defensive talents in this draft. A simple pass rusher? maybe not. A 5 tool defensive lineman that you can build the front 4 around, or a MLB'er that will be the captain of your defense for years to come and make people afraid of going across the middle? Yeah you take that over project QB's. This defense is the worst in the NFL, and will be for years to come if we don't draft talent.
I'm simply in no more mood to pass on a Khalil Mack or JJ Watt like talent to participate in another year of Browns QB crapshoot. Tired of it.
-
If the guy is your franchise quarterback no doubt.If everybody stays - Thomas, Schwartz, and Mack our line is pretty close to being right. We're borderline 4 pro bowlers there with Bitonio.
You don't skip a franchise QB because you need a pass rusher, or any of that other silly logic.
The consensus #1 is there for the taking this year.
A quarter pounder with cheese is maybe McDonalds best sandwich but probably won't get you 5 stars on Zagat.
WSS
If the guy is your franchise quarterback no doubt.
A quarter pounder with cheese is maybe McDonalds best sandwich but probably won't get you 5 stars on Zagat.
WSS
I haven't seen any real arguments against him except for his weight - which isn't that good of one IMO.
He's definitely not McDonald's level
-
You don't skip a franchise QB because you need a pass rusher, or any of that other silly logic.
There is no franchise QB in this draft. There's only a bunch of "maybe maybe nots". You don't spend a top 10 pick on that with so many defensive talents in this draft. A simple pass rusher? maybe not. A 5 tool defensive lineman that you can build the front 4 around, or a MLB'er that will be the captain of your defense for years to come and make people afraid of going across the middle? Yeah you take that over project QB's. This defense is the worst in the NFL, and will be for years to come if we don't draft talent.
I'm simply in no more mood to pass on a Khalil Mack or JJ Watt like talent to participate in another year of Browns QB crapshoot. Tired of it.
There is no franchise QB in this draft.
Agree to disagree, but I see it differently.
I haven't been as high on any prospect since Luck, so I think he's absolutely worth top 5.
-
This formula doesn't work in Cleveland. We cant take a QB and build around him. We have to build the trenches up first then bring in a QB eitehr through draft or FA. Goff will not develop here. We're in antoher rebuild phase. We're going to lose at least 2 starters from our O line, so anybody think Goff is going to come in and do something? No he won't even start next year if/when McCown gets hurt. Than he'll run for his life and be in the protocol within 3 games. Career flounders after that. You wanna waste the 1st pick on that? Why take a QB with the 1st when he's not that virtually sure thing? We're gonna suck for at least a couple years so we'll have a perennially high pick. So why not wait till the right guy is gonna come out instead of overreaching on a project?
Where's the fun in agreeing to disagree?
This formula doesn't work in Cleveland. We cant take a QB and build around him.
Sure it can, but you have to start with the right QB...
A quarter pounder with cheese is maybe McDonalds best sandwich but probably won't get you 5 stars on Zagat.
More of a McDouble fan myself...
There is no franchise QB in this draft. There's only a bunch of "maybe maybe nots".
Of course there is... Every one of the QBs that becomes a "maybe... yes" is franchise by definition. You are conflating "franchise" with "elite" and/or "sure thing".
-
There is no franchise QB in this draft.
Agree to disagree, but I see it differently.
I haven't been as high on any prospect since Luck, so I think he's absolutely worth top 5.
Agree to disagree, but I see it differently.
I haven't been as high on any prospect since Luck, so I think he's absolutely worth top 5.
Zombo said:
Ya that would suck having a franchise QB but not being good enough to get to the SB the first four years.
We haven't had a franchise QB since the last time the Bungles won a playoff game ... or the Browns., I'll take my chances with a 15 year window with one.
IF he's the guy. If not ... keep trying.
Who's left in the AFC? Brady, Manning, Ben, Alex Smith.
They have all been starters for 10-15 years? Gotta get one, gotta develop him, gotta keep him.
Zombo
Agree with what you are saying here. No matter what anyone thinks, quarterback is the most important position in this game. You must have a good one to succeed.
Look at all the teams in the playoffs this year, with the only exceptions being Houston, Washington and maybe Minnesota
They all have above average or competent quarterbacks at least
New England- Brady
Denver- Manning
Pittsburgh- Roethlisberger
Cincinnati- Dalton (Got injured but McCarron was ok)
KC- Smith
Houston- Hoyer (The only exception on this list, he is off and on)
Seattle- Wilson
Carolina- Newton
Arizona- Palmer
Green Bay- Rodgers
Minnesota- Bridgewater
Washington- Cousins (In good form right now)
If you never develop a quarterback properly in this league you can not win
-
and? we haven't gotten our lines right. I think that's pretty evident right? Until we do we're gonna suck. I don't care who our QB is, we will suck.
If everybody stays - Thomas, Schwartz, and Mack our line is pretty close to being right. We're borderline 4 pro bowlers there with Bitonio.
You don't skip a franchise QB because you need a pass rusher, or any of that other silly logic.
The consensus #1 is there for the taking this year.
If everybody stays - Thomas, Schwartz, and Mack our line is pretty close to being right. We're borderline 4 pro bowlers there with Bitonio.
You don't skip a franchise QB because you need a pass rusher, or any of that other silly logic.
The consensus #1 is there for the taking this year.
And what was the Browns record with all 4 playing? 2-8 with wins over the dominant Titans and Ravens. And please don't say it was all Macon's fault because the season hasn't been dead long enough to causally forget how ineffective the line was.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login