Welfare
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I guess I tend to agree with old Browns fan here. Morally I have no beef with helping out folks that need help. On the other hand I think they should appreciate the help and want to pay that forward sometime. That's how it should be but after generations of welfare the recipients tend to resent their benefactors.
I think it's a little ironic that the people who become angry if some groups are treated as second-class citizens also believe they should be taken care of like they were pets because they don't know any better.
One of Michael Moores manifestos used the example of a welfare mother in Detroit who was asked to work part time at Dick Clark America Bandstand grill. While at work her kid took a gun from her dirtbal relatives drawer and shot somebody while the relative was passed out in the sack.
Guess who Mr Moore blamed for this tragedy?
WSS
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I don't know why no one ever thinks of incentive-driven voluntary sterilization as a positive thing. Except me of course.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
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I don't know why no one ever thinks of incentive-driven voluntary sterilization as a positive thing. Except me of course.
I don't know why no one ever thinks of incentive-driven voluntary sterilization as a positive thing. Except me of course.
Actually, I like the idea myself.
I think we're all on the same page. Hard times befall on certain people, no shame in helping them. It's the generational abusers that bother everyone and it needs to be stopped.
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I'd say a 25,000 tax free incentive to be sterilized would be amazingly effective at keeping the spawn of current welfare abusers off the government dole in the future.
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Gotta love christianity in action
Gotta love christianity in action
Work requirements for able bodied people to receive welfare benefits are very much in line with Christianity and teachings of the bible. The Apostle Paul had this to say about it:
2 Thessalonians 3The Message (MSG)6-9 Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn’t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.
10-13 Don’t you remember the rule we had when we lived with you? “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” And now we’re getting reports that a bunch of lazy good-for-nothings are taking advantage of you. This must not be tolerated. We command them to get to work immediately—no excuses, no arguments—and earn their own keep. Friends, don’t slack off in doing your duty.
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there's a verse in the bible to support whatever you want if you look hard enough
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there's a verse in the bible to support whatever you want if you look hard enough
On some things sure but on this issue of whether or not able bodied people should be allowed to be lazy and not work and expect working people to support them there is no verse in the bible to support it. On a host of other issues one could probably cherry pick some scriptures to make an argument which is why isolated scriptures need to be put into context.
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there's a verse in the bible to support whatever you want if you look hard enough
On some things sure but on this issue of whether or not able bodied people should be allowed to be lazy and not work and expect working people to support them there is no verse in the bible to support it. On a host of other issues one could probably cherry pick some scriptures to make an argument which is why isolated scriptures need to be put into context.
I agree.On some things sure but on this issue of whether or not able bodied people should be allowed to be lazy and not work and expect working people to support them there is no verse in the bible to support it. On a host of other issues one could probably cherry pick some scriptures to make an argument which is why isolated scriptures need to be put into context.
It's not a Michael Moore documentary It is the Bible.
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Gotta love christianity in action
Work requirements for able bodied people to receive welfare benefits are very much in line with Christianity and teachings of the bible. The Apostle Paul had this to say about it:
2 Thessalonians 3The Message (MSG)6-9 Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn’t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.
10-13 Don’t you remember the rule we had when we lived with you? “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” And now we’re getting reports that a bunch of lazy good-for-nothings are taking advantage of you. This must not be tolerated. We command them to get to work immediately—no excuses, no arguments—and earn their own keep. Friends, don’t slack off in doing your duty.
Work requirements for able bodied people to receive welfare benefits are very much in line with Christianity and teachings of the bible. The Apostle Paul had this to say about it:
2 Thessalonians 3The Message (MSG)6-9 Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn’t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.
10-13 Don’t you remember the rule we had when we lived with you? “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” And now we’re getting reports that a bunch of lazy good-for-nothings are taking advantage of you. This must not be tolerated. We command them to get to work immediately—no excuses, no arguments—and earn their own keep. Friends, don’t slack off in doing your duty.
Where is the bible verse that addresses unemployment? So if you are able bodied but unable to find work because there isn't work is there a Corinthians passage regarding that?
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Work requirements for able bodied people to receive welfare benefits are very much in line with Christianity and teachings of the bible. The Apostle Paul had this to say about it:
2 Thessalonians 3The Message (MSG)6-9 Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn’t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.
10-13 Don’t you remember the rule we had when we lived with you? “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” And now we’re getting reports that a bunch of lazy good-for-nothings are taking advantage of you. This must not be tolerated. We command them to get to work immediately—no excuses, no arguments—and earn their own keep. Friends, don’t slack off in doing your duty.
Where is the bible verse that addresses unemployment? So if you are able bodied but unable to find work because there isn't work is there a Corinthians passage regarding that?
Where is the bible verse that addresses unemployment? So if you are able bodied but unable to find work because there isn't work is there a Corinthians passage regarding that?
The person I talked about who was working for his welfare assistance at a food bank was unemployed.
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@baconhound said:
Unfortunately for the person you talked about unless they are a single parent with a child under 5, volunteering doesn't meet the job search criteria for being a food stamp recipient.
30 million out of work or severely unemployed
He didn't volunteer it was a requirement for him to work at the Community Action Center to get welfare assistance.
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Then Jbluhm86 I would remind you that your morals are nothing more than a figment of your own imagination no different than an atheist view of religion.
And that you could no better defend your set of morals against reality and human nature than a man of faith can defend his belief in God's will.
WSS
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How do you see them as a "figure of the imagination" as opposed to having genetic and social reasons?
It's pretty hard to find something that makes sense with the same level of support as "God's will"... Which is none
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Simply because you can make up your own morals. Doesn't matter if I agree or if anyone else agrees.
Lets say you are married and have the opportunity to sleep with a hot chick and never get caught.
(I'm sure there are dozens of similar examples)
Whatever you decide to do is your decision a moral one?
I don't think you can give me a scientific answer for either decision that I'm going to buy any more than the Bible.
WSS
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I know this whole 'morals make no more sense than the bible' thing is your pet at the moment, but I maintain you're wrong, for the reasons discussed before (objective/subjective morality).
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I know this whole 'morals make no more sense than the bible' thing is your pet at the moment, but I maintain you're wrong, for the reasons discussed before (objective/subjective morality).
I know this whole 'morals make no more sense than the bible' thing is your pet at the moment, but I maintain you're wrong, for the reasons discussed before (objective/subjective morality).
If it's not objective, it isn't real. You are just angry because you want your opinion of morality to be true.
If right and wrong is different in every situation depending on your whim then right and wrong doesn't actually exist.
No matter how much you wish or believe. No matter how much faith you have in your own judgement.
WSS
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I'm not sure how I came across as angry?
The point that was made is there is such a thing as objective morality, and you can probably quantify it if you tried by sampling a sufficiently large number of people from different walks of life and cultures.
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I'm not sure how I came across as angry?
The point that was made is there is such a thing as objective morality, and you can probably quantify it if you tried by sampling a sufficiently large number of people from different walks of life and cultures.
I'm not sure how I came across as angry?
The point that was made is there is such a thing as objective morality, and you can probably quantify it if you tried by sampling a sufficiently large number of people from different walks of life and cultures.
Upset, disgruntled pick your poison. May be frustrated that you can't really prove the point you really want to make?
I shouldn't even waste my time with ridiculous examples but since it still seems to mean a lot to some of the guys on the left let's take slavery which was an accepted practice a long long time ago.
So since at the time whoever was being sold as slaves were considered lesser in value as human beings.
If even 51% of society agreed with that is it now the morally correct thing?
If yes my point is proven.
WSS
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