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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    So what's the difference between scouting a pro and scouting a college kid?

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #41

    @tour2ma said:

    So what's the difference between scouting a pro and scouting a college kid?

    My guess....and it is a guess.....would be that college scouts are evaluating players talent level and how they may do as pros...

    While Pro scouts are used more to evaluate teams and schemes and the things you'll be up against when playing them.....and, perhaps, the occassion player who you may trade for or sign in FA....though, usually, most of the talent level and Pro-ability is already determined by this time.....

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @tour2ma said:

    So what's the difference between scouting a pro and scouting a college kid?

    My guess....and it is a guess.....would be that college scouts are evaluating players talent level and how they may do as pros...

    While Pro scouts are used more to evaluate teams and schemes and the things you'll be up against when playing them.....and, perhaps, the occassion player who you may trade for or sign in FA....though, usually, most of the talent level and Pro-ability is already determined by this time.....

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #42

    @mudfly said:

    My guess....and it is a guess.....would be that college scouts are evaluating players talent level and how they may do as pros...

    While Pro scouts are used more to evaluate teams and schemes and the things you'll be up against when playing them.....and, perhaps, the occassion player who you may trade for or sign in FA....though, usually, most of the talent level and Pro-ability is already determined by this time.....

    Sure if he was involved in advance scouting... the article did not make it seem he was... but then it was MKC.

    "Berry has spent the past seven seasons in scouting with the Colts, including the last four as pro scouting director. But he's studied mostly existing NFL players and not college prospects. He's assisted with the college process, but hasn't been responsible for making those picks."

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/why_some_nfl_execs_are_seeing.html

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on
    #43

    Ok so Sashi runs the draft and Berry runs free agency, but I'm still confused on what DePodesta does. Is he a salaried consultant? That's the vibe I'm getting.

    β€œIt is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
  • htownbrownH htownbrown

    Ok so Sashi runs the draft and Berry runs free agency, but I'm still confused on what DePodesta does. Is he a salaried consultant? That's the vibe I'm getting.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #44

    @htownbrown said:

    Ok so Sashi runs the draft and Berry runs free agency, but I'm still confused on what DePodesta does. Is he a salaried consultant? That's the vibe I'm getting.

    Here's the sense I am getting for player acquisition:

    • Berry runs traditional scouting period... be it pro or collegiate.
    • DePo seems to have a duel role: developing the analytic tools and the organization's personnel selection processes.
    • Sashi is the gatekeeper at the confluence of the traditional and analytic processes, and adds the cost element (value) to the decision process. Then he drives the personnel decision process to consensus, if possible, but breaks ties, if needed.
    The above can easily be turned inward as well... a needs assessment, if you will.

    As an example...

    If we are considering an acquisition for FS, we have to include the worth of keeping Gip vs. various FA, draft and current roster alternatives. This brings out the value of analytics is determining the relative worth of players.

    For any single position the process should be already well defined. Considering options across two or more positions is surely more complex, but our cap space may delay the pain of many such decisions for a season or two. Then the process should hopefully be fully developed

    Or not... πŸ˜‰

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #45

    Something I read the other day that fills me with trepidation. Berry was presumably part of the pro-scouting department in Indy that green-lighted the Trent Richardson trade. That is, assuming it wasn't an Irsay special

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  • W Westside Steve wrote on
    #46

    Considering options across two or more positions is surely more complex, but our cap space may delay the pain of many such decisions for a season or two. Then the process should hopefully be fully developed

    Or not... πŸ˜‰

    A season or two?

    Uh oh...

    WSS

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  • W Westside Steve

    Considering options across two or more positions is surely more complex, but our cap space may delay the pain of many such decisions for a season or two. Then the process should hopefully be fully developed

    Or not... πŸ˜‰

    A season or two?

    Uh oh...

    WSS

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #47

    @westside-steve said:

    A season or two?

    Uh oh...

    WSS

    Have they made that clear to quick gun Jimmy? πŸ₯·

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    Something I read the other day that fills me with trepidation. Berry was presumably part of the pro-scouting department in Indy that green-lighted the Trent Richardson trade. That is, assuming it wasn't an Irsay special

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #48

    @gftchris said:

    Something I read the other day that fills me with trepidation. Berry was presumably part of the pro-scouting department in Indy that green-lighted the Trent Richardson trade. That is, assuming it wasn't an Irsay special

    I was there as well, but I just read this:

    Berry comes highly recommended from Pro Football Hall of Fame front-office executive Bill Polian.

    β€œAndrew Berry is one of the brightest young men we ever had the pleasure of working with,” Polian said. β€œHe came to us very early in his career, and very soon, we realized he was on a fast track. I am not surprised the Browns hired him for this very important position. I assure you he has both the capacity and the will to do an outstanding job. The Browns have made, in my humble opinion, a great hire.”

    http://www.wkyc.com/sports/nfl/browns/cleveland-browns-proud-of-front-office-staff-they-have-built/38039181

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #49

    The same Bill Polian we've been giving Gipper shit about based on his opinion alone? πŸ˜‰

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #50

    Absolutely... and why not. The circumstances are quite different.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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