Camp Goff

EmDiggy

@westside-steve said:

EM where do you post your top 5 quarterbacks? Where can we see that?

I'm a little puzzled if you rate Goff as the most NFL ready but not worth a first or second round. Mind you I'm not a Goff #2 pimp

WSS

www.footballgameplan.com/FBGPScouting

Keep checking that link b/c it'll constantly be getting updated. Rankings 16-32 will be out today and rolled into 1 video

Westside Steve

Thanks E!

WSS

Flyin J

@emdiggy said:

www.footballgameplan.com/FBGPScouting

Keep checking that link b/c it'll constantly be getting updated. Rankings 16-32 will be out today and rolled into 1 video

Wow, maybe you should have waited till after the combine and pro days to go out on a limb like that. I think youre forgetting how much size, and especially hand size will determine whether or not these guys make it. Theres a reason the biggest guys are on the top of most boards. For every Wilson theres 50 guys who couldnt translate their games to the NFL. Theres a reasonable chance your top 3 guys dont start 16 games in the NFL combined.

gftChris

@emdiggy said:

www.footballgameplan.com/FBGPScouting

Keep checking that link b/c it'll constantly be getting updated. Rankings 16-32 will be out today and rolled into 1 video

Sometimes I think you just like to be contrarian! Goff #5 is a headscratcher but Wentz at 12 and Lynch at 13 are certainly way, way outside the 'groupthink' on QBs. Not that that's a bad thing, but usually if one person out of 20 is completely off-centre, they're wrong.

EmDiggy

@gftchris said:
Sometimes I think you just like to be contrarian! Goff #5 is a headscratcher but Wentz at 12 and Lynch at 13 are certainly way, way outside the 'groupthink' on QBs. Not that that's a bad thing, but usually if one person out of 20 is completely off-centre, they're wrong.

We'll see as they'll have to play it out on the field

gftChris

@emdiggy said:

We'll see as they'll have to play it out on the field

For sure, as much as we can try to prognosticate on every prospect, nobody will get the rankings perfect, and there'd never even be consensus on the final rankings, so it's difficult to come close to getting it right.

I'm just not seeing the likes of Jones and Boykin ahead of Goff and even Cook, for example.

gftChris

@emdiggy said:

We'll see as they'll have to play it out on the field

Tell you what - if Jones wins a playoff game or goes to the pro-bowl before goff, I'll buy you a beer (when you're in London!)

Mike H

Something odd about those rankings.

Also, had not watched Dalyn Williams before. Like the small amount I watched on your video, Em.

jiggins7919

I'm actually one of the few people that probably doesn't care which direction we go. I'm putting my entire faith in our talent people, and trusting them to make the right call. I'll be happy with whomever we pick at QB, assuming we DO draft one at number two. I wouldn't put it past our people to take another position, or draft down. I don't think we're going to draft a QB JUST to draft one. That being said, if one or both of these guys (or Lynch) fits the bill, we must pull the trigger, and not get cute by trying to trade down.

Tour2ma

Well.. we got Kiper in a close one... at least for this week.

Headline says "coin-flip", Mel's mock sent Wentz to us, but in the article...

"Goff's the better passer,'' he said. "Wentz has mobility but Goff can move around in the pocket. Certainly for Goff, if he was a little bigger right now than he is in terms of the weight, I don't think there'd be any question he'd be the first quarterback taken. And I still have Goff rating-wise ahead of Carson Wentz.''

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/02/jared_goff_or_carson_wentz_browns.html#incart_m-rpt-1

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:

Well.. we got Kiper in a close one... at least for this week.

Headline says "coin-flip", Mel's mock sent Wentz to us, but in the article...

"Goff's the better passer,'' he said. "Wentz has mobility but Goff can move around in the pocket. Certainly for Goff, if he was a little bigger right now than he is in terms of the weight, I don't think there'd be any question he'd be the first quarterback taken. And I still have Goff rating-wise ahead of Carson Wentz.''

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/02/jared_goff_or_carson_wentz_browns.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Interesting quotes at the end of that article Tour.

Kiper raised the possibility that the Browns pick another position at No. 2 and take a quarterback with their No. 32 overall pick.

"Do they even pass on both of them and take say (Florida State cornerback) Jalen Ramsey to help that secondary and then look to the quarterback in the early second round?'' he said. "It happened in Cincinnati with A.J. Green and Andy Dalton. Happened in Oakland with Khalil Mack and then Derek Carr. Happened in San Diego with LaDainain Tomlinson and Drew Brees. So teams have worked that formula effectively on three different occasions. So maybe they could take another player like Ramsey and then get the quarterback early second, gamble that Lynch would be there.

"Maybe they like Connor Cook from Michigan State. Maybe they like (Penn State's Christian) Hackenberg. Maybe they like (Mississippi State's Dak) Prescott. (Maybe there's) somebody else that Hue Jackson feels 'hey I can get one of those three guys in the second round, I don't need to take a quarterback at two,' So we'll see.''

Mike H

Ramsey was a guy Tony Pauline said he heard was going to go No. 2 overall. Whether that's to Browns or someone trading up, is the question... if there's any validity to what he heard.

Tour2ma

And now Mayock agrees that Goff is the QB for us?

Mike Mayock: Browns Should Draft Jared Goff

By Joe Ginley  @JoeGinley on Feb 23, 2016, 12:01p

Two camps have emerged among NFL Draft junkies and team executives: Team Jared and Team Wentz.

Count NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock firmly in Team Wentz.

However, the draft analyst believes Jared Goff would be the better fit for the Cleveland Browns.

Mayock talked quarterbacks during an appearance on the Rich EisenShow on Monday. The former CBS and NBC analyst focused on the choice between Jared Goff and Carson Wentz.

Mayock began his interview by speaking about discussing the differences between Wentz and Goff, both talented, but very different quarterbacks.

"The first piece of it is some people are Wentz guys, some people are Goff guys around the league. If you're a Goff guy, it's because he's more polished and ready to go day one. He's got beautiful pocket awareness, really good feet, the ball comes out quickly with a quick release, he's accurate with good arm strength.

"If you're Cleveland at No. 2, and you're looking for a quarterback ready to go on day one, he's the more logical guy today."

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/2/23/11099382/mike-mayock-browns-should-draft-jared-goff

Personally I think his rationale sucks. For one, it ignores the existence of McCown. For another, he makes a significant leap when he assumes Wentz can ascend to the heights Goff has already achieved let alone those Luck has. Lastly, he does not allow for the further development of the guy he knows has shown the capability to develop.

I like Mayock, but this smacks of CYA... and I'm not used to getting that from Mayock. Very disappointing...

Mark O · on Feb 23, 2016, 12:01p

@tour2ma said:

Personally I think his rationale sucks. For one, it ignores the existence of McCown. For another, he makes a significant leap when he assumes Wentz can ascend to the heights Goff has already achieved let alone those Luck has. Lastly, he does not allow for the further development of the guy he knows has shown the capability to develop.

I like Mayock, but this smacks of CYA... and I'm not used to getting that from Mayock. Very disappointing...

I don't follow all of this as close as a lot of you but I heard another NFL network guy last week talking draft and he basically ignored McCown as well essentially saying the Browns need a QB who can start from day 1 and I don't quite understand that. McCown played just fine last year. No he's not a long term answer and he's not Tom Brady but he doesn't suck. Hell, he'd probably rank in the top 5 easy of QB's we've had since 1999.

Tim Couch Pulls Out · on Feb 23, 2016, 12:01p

@tour2ma said:

And now Mayock agrees that Goff is the QB for us?

Mike Mayock: Browns Should Draft Jared Goff

By Joe Ginley  @JoeGinley on Feb 23, 2016, 12:01p

Two camps have emerged among NFL Draft junkies and team executives: Team Jared and Team Wentz.

Count NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock firmly in Team Wentz.

However, the draft analyst believes Jared Goff would be the better fit for the Cleveland Browns.

Mayock talked quarterbacks during an appearance on the Rich EisenShow on Monday. The former CBS and NBC analyst focused on the choice between Jared Goff and Carson Wentz.

Mayock began his interview by speaking about discussing the differences between Wentz and Goff, both talented, but very different quarterbacks.

"The first piece of it is some people are Wentz guys, some people are Goff guys around the league. If you're a Goff guy, it's because he's more polished and ready to go day one. He's got beautiful pocket awareness, really good feet, the ball comes out quickly with a quick release, he's accurate with good arm strength.

"If you're Cleveland at No. 2, and you're looking for a quarterback ready to go on day one, he's the more logical guy today."

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/2/23/11099382/mike-mayock-browns-should-draft-jared-goff

Personally I think his rationale sucks. For one, it ignores the existence of McCown. For another, he makes a significant leap when he assumes Wentz can ascend to the heights Goff has already achieved let alone those Luck has. Lastly, he does not allow for the further development of the guy he knows has shown the capability to develop.

I like Mayock, but this smacks of CYA... and I'm not used to getting that from Mayock. Very disappointing...

To what extent can Goff really develop further? If we assume there's a capacity for every single aspect, you'd have to assume he's closer to his capacity for mental and technical attributes than Wentz is...and it's not as if Goff is going to grow two inches and thirty pounds. I'm not saying he's reached his ceiling, but he just logically has less room for growth than Wentz does.

Tour2ma

Yes, less room... also much less distance to perfection.

Goff can work progressions faster and improve defense recognition. He can also get stronger... including his arm. And the chances he will do all three seem increased by his past growth in all three areas.

The height difference is 1.1" last I checked, but only a couple days until the Combine measurements are out. But even if 2" the impact of that and 20 pounds on a ceiling is minimal compared to mechanics and mental acuity.

tiamat63

So... Just stopping in here to say 'hi'.

Nothing crazy, not planting a flag or anything.

calfoxwc

Goff is more pro ready, but you can't coach max arm strength,

and leadership....or hand size..

They will throw at the combine, we'll get an idea if his arm/hands might

hinder him in the NFL.

Or, he may be all that, and can throw the hell out of the ball just fine.

But "rumor" has it, Goff has small hands. We'll see - but playing outdoors in the

weather...

I'm in Camp Wentz. Lynch is a bit too raw - look at where Tenn. finished ... #1 in the draft.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jared-goff-s-small-hands-could-shape-nfl-draft-starting-at-no--2-185313800.html;_ylt=A0LEVi4ORs5WY6cAiJkPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBybGY3bmpvBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

"With Goff rumored to be measuring inwith “tiny hands” on Wednesday at the NFL scouting combine, Jackson’s answer on what he seeks from a hand-measurement standpoint could be telling.

“It matters because we play in a division where all of a sudden there’s rain and snow, and it’s different,” Jackson said. “Guys with bigger hands can grip the ball better in those environmental situations. We’re looking for a guy who fits what we’re looking for at quarterback, and so hand size is important.”

Tour2ma

What is "small"? Aaron Rogers' 9.38"?

https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7f43c74419945a51196a4e945554c3b2?convert_to_webp=true

DieHardBrownsFan

Manziel has big hands. DA was tall. So fucking what.