Camp Goff
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The price is set hy the seller. If the 49ers want to trade up to #1 the Titans may decide its worth their 2017 1st and #7. The price is really set by the market for the pick, not some goofy points system someone made up, if the Titans are determined to sell.
Quite true... WSH only was raped because they had to have RG3...
Redskins receive: 2012 first-rounder
Rams receive: 2012 first-rounder, 2012 second-round selection, 2013 first-rounder, 2014 first-rounder
... and because the Rams "liked" WSH better than they did us...
With friends like them...
Quite true... WSH only was raped because they had to have RG3...
Redskins receive: 2012 first-rounder
Rams receive: 2012 first-rounder, 2012 second-round selection, 2013 first-rounder, 2014 first-rounder
... and because the Rams "liked" WSH better than they did us...
With friends like them...
And what good did all those first round picks do for the Rams. Their track record at drafting in round one is about as bad as the Browns.
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Quite true... WSH only was raped because they had to have RG3...
Redskins receive: 2012 first-rounder
Rams receive: 2012 first-rounder, 2012 second-round selection, 2013 first-rounder, 2014 first-rounder
... and because the Rams "liked" WSH better than they did us...
With friends like them...
And what good did all those first round picks do for the Rams. Their track record at drafting in round one is about as bad as the Browns.
Well, they do have 4 first round picks on their DL.And what good did all those first round picks do for the Rams. Their track record at drafting in round one is about as bad as the Browns.
They also have a pretty good HC and running game with Gurley.
Ironically, the only missing ingredient seems to be lack of a franchise QB.
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Well, they do have 4 first round picks on their DL.And what good did all those first round picks do for the Rams. Their track record at drafting in round one is about as bad as the Browns.
They also have a pretty good HC and running game with Gurley.
Ironically, the only missing ingredient seems to be lack of a franchise QB.
Well, they do have 4 first round picks on their DL.
They also have a pretty good HC and running game with Gurley.
Ironically, the only missing ingredient seems to be lack of a franchise QB.
Do they now? I used to think so. But,
With all that talent....maybe his is overrated.
And we know that in LA-LA-Land, if that team does not win in like the first 4 weeks, the city will just ignore the team altogether.
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Well, they do have 4 first round picks on their DL.
They also have a pretty good HC and running game with Gurley.
Ironically, the only missing ingredient seems to be lack of a franchise QB.
Do they now? I used to think so. But,
With all that talent....maybe his is overrated.
And we know that in LA-LA-Land, if that team does not win in like the first 4 weeks, the city will just ignore the team altogether.
Fisher will never be mentioned in the same breath as Paul Brown or Lombardi, but I would take him as the Browns HC over anyone we've had since '99.Do they now? I used to think so. But,
With all that talent....maybe his is overrated.
And we know that in LA-LA-Land, if that team does not win in like the first 4 weeks, the city will just ignore the team altogether.
Look at what the Tits have accomplished since he left.
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Goff's hand grew to 9.25" at pro day (nevermind, guess it was 9 1/8)
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Breaking pictures of Goff's hands from pro day.
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Breaking pictures of Goff's hands from pro day.
https://ummyummyfood.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/img_1025.jpgBreaking pictures of Goff's hands from pro day. https://ummyummyfood.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/img_1025.jpg
Bugles.... I remember those...
All right... Pro Day is in the books.
Commentators giving Goff high marks for his script being loaded with many, high difficulty throws.... many more than the average Pro day. Script totaled just shy of 70 throws.
After the script our Pep Hamilton came out with a water bottle and doused the ball for about another half dozen throws of Pep's choice. Undoubtedly a preview of a private workout yet to come. One wobbler was produced, but others were nice, tight throws.
Nice performance by Jared "Big Hands" Goff...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
My hand measures 101/4th inch.....so I am used to reactions like this:
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Breaking pictures of Goff's hands from pro day. https://ummyummyfood.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/img_1025.jpg
Bugles.... I remember those...
All right... Pro Day is in the books.
Commentators giving Goff high marks for his script being loaded with many, high difficulty throws.... many more than the average Pro day. Script totaled just shy of 70 throws.
After the script our Pep Hamilton came out with a water bottle and doused the ball for about another half dozen throws of Pep's choice. Undoubtedly a preview of a private workout yet to come. One wobbler was produced, but others were nice, tight throws.
Nice performance by Jared "Big Hands" Goff...
Undoubtedly a preview of a private workout yet to come.
Ok end the mystery? Listening to Maycock & Polian. Combine & Pro days ends throwing due to new players union rules? At private workout you chalk talk, tape, medical, view gym workout with agent's clearance. No on Field Throwing or on field drills period even RB/WR? Could go back a year or 2..
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I was listening to Serius XM NFL radio on the way home today and they made a good point in whether the Browns go with Wentz or Goff. Basically they said that in that division you need a rugged big man in the QB position just because of the nature of the physical defenses they have to go against. They concluded both that since next year's QB class is pretty week and because Wentz is more sturdily build, they would go with him since they are really one - two in the QB class. They would not wait until next year. They think either will be a very good QB, but feel for the guy who has to survive while rebuilding the Browns completely. And of course they mentioned that Hue needs to be given a full 5 years to implement this turnaround. Also said that given how Thomas had at least two very good friends leave the team, they would not be surprised if he requested to be traded.
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That would be awesome if we take the less talented guy for his build... But why stop at Wentz? Cardale looks a lot more sturdy to me...
Hyperbole aside...
Size would be an acceptable tie-breaker, if all else was equal, but I just do not see "all else" even close to being equal.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
My hand measures 101/4th inch.....so I am used to reactions like this:
My hand measures 101/4th inch.....so I am used to reactions like this:
Devastated that the myth is untrue???
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
That would be awesome if we take the less talented guy for his build... But why stop at Wentz? Cardale looks a lot more sturdy to me...
Hyperbole aside...
Size would be an acceptable tie-breaker, if all else was equal, but I just do not see "all else" even close to being equal.
That would be awesome if we take the less talented guy for his build... But why stop at Wentz? Cardale looks a lot more sturdy to me...
Hyperbole aside...
Size would be an acceptable tie-breaker, if all else was equal, but I just do not see "all else" even close to being equal.
Conversely, it would be awesome to take a more cerebral guy just for his brains.
Can Chad Pennington still suit up? One of the most intelligent guys I've ever seen behind center.
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watched Goff's pro day - he is terrific. You have to balance his experience, etc, with
Wentz's ruggeder? build, and much better, imho, downfield throws with zip on the ball.
They said vs Oregon, Goff as a freshman, got pulled from the game in the rain. who cares, he's a freshman.
and also said... that Goff had a tough time again, something like 15 of 40, in the wind and rain, again,
in Oregon. Of course, he wasn't playing with a terrific cast of other players around him to match up with
Oregon.
Goff has serious moxie. I'll be impressed with either one - I just think I'd give the edge to Wentz. He has more zip on
long throws, and at the combine, he was accurate like crazy throughout. We'll see at his pro day next week, I think it was.
But saying that Wentz is less talented is baloney. They have different "A+...s", that's all.
Goff did have a few throws, that when he really goes to zing it, a few wobbled... big deal, right? Nope.
Interesting to watch Wentz's pro day, and Lynch's pro day, and compare all three after watching them in a row.
And Pep put gatorade or water on the ball at the end of practice, and asked Goff to throw five more.
That is just funny. Goff zinged the ball, no problem. lol
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My hand measures 101/4th inch.....so I am used to reactions like this:
Devastated that the myth is untrue???
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In my eyes, Goff is still better in almost every way.
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watched Goff's pro day - he is terrific. You have to balance his experience, etc, with
Wentz's ruggeder? build, and much better, imho, downfield throws with zip on the ball.
They said vs Oregon, Goff as a freshman, got pulled from the game in the rain. who cares, he's a freshman.
and also said... that Goff had a tough time again, something like 15 of 40, in the wind and rain, again,
in Oregon. Of course, he wasn't playing with a terrific cast of other players around him to match up with
Oregon.
Goff has serious moxie. I'll be impressed with either one - I just think I'd give the edge to Wentz. He has more zip on
long throws, and at the combine, he was accurate like crazy throughout. We'll see at his pro day next week, I think it was.
But saying that Wentz is less talented is baloney. They have different "A+...s", that's all.
Goff did have a few throws, that when he really goes to zing it, a few wobbled... big deal, right? Nope.
Interesting to watch Wentz's pro day, and Lynch's pro day, and compare all three after watching them in a row.
And Pep put gatorade or water on the ball at the end of practice, and asked Goff to throw five more.
That is just funny. Goff zinged the ball, no problem. lol
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Couple more tidbits for the Goff doubters....
Silver, the NFL Network commentator, who was at the Pro Day, commented on Goff's pocket presence. Said it was as good as he has ever seen at the college level. Put it on par with Brady's and Rogers' pocket presence. Said that he asked Brady and Rogers whether their presence was learned or if they always had "it". Both said the latter. Asked if they thought it could be taught, they said they did not think so.
Mayock said if he had to pick a QB to be his 2016 starter, it's Goff. Despite Wentz playing in a "Pro System", taking snaps from under center, blah, blah, blah.... he takes Goff... the QB who has shown the ability to read 3 and 4 progressions deep. (Yet somehow Wentz is still atop his QB board.)
McShay reported from ProDay on NFL Insiders that the word he has gotten is that while both Wentz and Goff have impressed pro personnel with their football IQ, it is Goff that has really blown them away with his game mastery at the white board. His quick grasp of a novel package concept... his ability to absorb, explain and extrapolate upon the information just fed him has astonished the pros.
I prefer the guy who is already there. Not the guy who still has a ways to go... no matter how promising he looks on his journey.
And as far as leadership... was easy to the respect and regard his teammates held for Goff. It was all over their casual interactions in the weight room where measurements were done before they took the field.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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