Camp Lynch
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If any QB is pegged as "the guy", then the #2 will be spent for him without hesitation. That you, or I, think that's too high to take Lynch, says neither of us think he is the guy.
If Goff can get out from under center as smoothly as the rest of footwork suggests he will, then he will fit. And there will be plenty of opportunities to see his dropback skill level between now and the draft.
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No to Lynch. He's too much a project. If we need a QB take him with a top 15 pick.
Though if we can trade back and grab elliott or treadwell and then pick wentz 2nd round I wouldn't be opposed.
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They are all project qb's mate. Just need to know how fast they can learn
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Well, I think you're missing my point.....which is, if we're gonna pick a "project", lets not burn a high draft to do it....
Charlie Frye and Colt McCoy were just as good for us, as Quinn, Weeden and Manziel....so there are 5 wasted picks. And Im just saying if were gonna waste picks, Id rather waste a 4th or 5th.....and use our 2nd round pick on a player that can help us...
Our last 6 second round picks were Orchard, Bitonio, Schwartz, Sheard, Little and TJ Ward....(all are solid except one)....while every single QB picked basically sucks....
Now ....which pile would you rather have?....cause we need a lot of talent, how can we afford to waste picks on guys we aren't confident in????
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I think we have something like four 5th round picks.....why not use em all on QB and Id bet we have about the same odds of success, as we would if we used a higher pick on someone "not worthy" of a first round pick....(and lets not forget that our second round pick is actually #32 or basically a first).....
So....like i said before....are we gonna do the same that we did with Quinn, Manziel and Weeden?....because that is what you're advocating by electing to pick a QB at 32.....
Isnt Shaw about the best one we've tapped in the last few years?.....and he was a UDFA, right?
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They are all project qb's mate. Just need to know how fast they can learn
They are all project qb's mate. Just need to know how fast they can learn
Doesn't quite read true to me...
First, prospects are not all starting from the same point, so you have to discern who is where.
Second, how fast is a bigger question for processing speed than learning. Faster is better, but there's also a minimum threshold that has to be crossed for read and react. You can teach how "what is" determines "where", but the speed at which the two are connected is by and large innate.
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Interesting first point. In that you have assumed that starting points are not relative to the coach but to the prospect. You have to ask yourself what is worse of the two having no experience or having the wrong experience. Unlearning to Relearn is more difficult than just learningcorrectly in the first place. Having to retrain goff for example is going to be more difficult than retraining lynch for example.
Goff in his current form would be a turnover machine for the browns he LOVES to throw the ball deep and does so with only moderate accuracy and arm. Wentz has also showed trouble in his deep ball/sidelines.
Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.
We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?
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It should be Interesting to point out that lynch and andy dalton had the same college coach. Just more food for thought
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just can't shake the fact that lynch looked terrible in his last big outing on a national stage.
i mean fucking terrible.
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To his credit his receivers had a TON of drops
And the game before that he threw 7 TD in one half
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Interesting first point. In that you have assumed that starting points are not relative to the coach but to the prospect. You have to ask yourself what is worse of the two having no experience or having the wrong experience. Unlearning to Relearn is more difficult than just learningcorrectly in the first place. Having to retrain goff for example is going to be more difficult than retraining lynch for example.
Goff in his current form would be a turnover machine for the browns he LOVES to throw the ball deep and does so with only moderate accuracy and arm. Wentz has also showed trouble in his deep ball/sidelines.
Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.
We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?
Interesting first point. In that you have assumed that starting points are not relative to the coach but to the prospect. You have to ask yourself what is worse of the two having no experience or having the wrong experience. Unlearning to Relearn is more difficult than just learningcorrectly in the first place. Having to retrain goff for example is going to be more difficult than retraining lynch for example.
Goff in his current form would be a turnover machine for the browns he LOVES to throw the ball deep and does so with only moderate accuracy and arm. Wentz has also showed trouble in his deep ball/sidelines.
Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.
We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?
Not sure about "3 guys", but if don't see any as an upgrade then I don't know why we are posting...
Honestly I don't see where I assumed anything. Just stated that you have to assess where a QB prospect is regardless of how he got there. That sets his floor.
Coaching vs. talent/ability split is an interesting way to look at that floor and I think it helps set estimate a ceiling. The more the floor is due to coaching, then the closer the ceiling will be to the floor.
Agree with your point that the more deeply ingrained bad habits are, the more difficult it is to unlearn them. That would be true whether the bad habits stem from bad coaching or a lack of good coaching.
The above said, I don't see deep INT's as necessarily being a bad habit. Could be a product of game circumstance and play calls.
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top 3 being Goff/Lynch/Wentz.
Your assumption was based on the prospects having different floors as a static measurement.
for example if Tony Romo. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Cam Newton are all draft eligible and you have the number 1 pick. assuming they are ranked Brady #1, Peyton #2, Romo #3 and Newton #4 as top QBs available. as a coach who wants a vertical passing game with designed rollouts and occasional read options. you may take Newton over the other three because he fits YOUR offense better aswell as the personal already on the team.
If you judge your QB on his ability to perform a 7 step drop and then rollout you end up with a case of "diminishing skills".
Point is we really don't know what our team is looking for right now but we can infer from our coaches at past points in there careers. Jackson had Jason Campbell/Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton.
Dalton, the most recent came from the EXACT same system Lynch is from. He already has an idea on how to coach him obviously the difference here is 5" and 30 lbs with more athleticism.
Truth be told if Lynch closed his college career with a good game we would have alot more hype for him -
i'm in.
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Interesting first point. In that you have assumed that starting points are not relative to the coach but to the prospect. You have to ask yourself what is worse of the two having no experience or having the wrong experience. Unlearning to Relearn is more difficult than just learningcorrectly in the first place. Having to retrain goff for example is going to be more difficult than retraining lynch for example.
Goff in his current form would be a turnover machine for the browns he LOVES to throw the ball deep and does so with only moderate accuracy and arm. Wentz has also showed trouble in his deep ball/sidelines.
Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.
We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?
VesnaKociper said:
I have had the pleasure of seeing the kid play. I would love to see him as a Brown, because it would turn this shit hole of a really fucking weird football team into a Browns town. Plus, I think the kid can play.
Lynch will be looked at as closely as the other two Tom.
Not that lynch has an amazing deep ball but he hasnt thrown a deep INT this year.
We can all agree that any of these top 3 guys will likely be better than billy right?
Lynch hasn't thrown a deep int- because go look at his passing tree. He doesn't throw deep much. The vast majority of his passes are dinks and dunks.
As far as being better than Manziel- So is Connor Shaw.
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i do like connor >.<
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most highlight plays are deep to intermediate. And also lets not forget the nfl is dominated by quick short passing
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I see it as Carson=Lynch as far as prospect type and style. Goff doesn't look to be a fit for our team unfortunately. So either one though i prefer lynch (he did throw 7 td in one half afterall). Let me be clear that i see each of these prospects as having a good career
I see it as Carson=Lynch as far as prospect type and style. Goff doesn't look to be a fit for our team unfortunately. So either one though i prefer lynch (he did throw 7 td in one half afterall). Let me be clear that i see each of these prospects as having a good career
Why is that? He's a closer comparison to Dalton than either Lynch or Wentz.
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I dont see it. I've watched alot of the games from the 3 top doods and goff really compares to a less mobile/less accurate rodgers. Best comparison i think would be Kelly Holcomb
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