Camp Cook
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Paid leave? Is that a thing?
WSS
Like with AP, it was the commissioner's exempt list, or some shit like that.
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Well, my argument is that we don't know if he is or isn't that guy. Sure, he may not be as prolific as a Kevin Greene.....but at least let him loose to see what he can be.
Then if he fails fine.....move along, move along....he is not the droid we are looking for. (or maybe he is?)
He's had three years, and seven sacks. Pretty safe to say he isn't I think. But, he's under contract, he can cover well enough, I don't mind keeping him around for the final year.
He's had three years, and seven sacks. Pretty safe to say he isn't I think. But, he's under contract, he can cover well enough, I don't mind keeping him around for the final year.
Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
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He's had three years, and seven sacks. Pretty safe to say he isn't I think. But, he's under contract, he can cover well enough, I don't mind keeping him around for the final year.
Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
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Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
Right....Orchard clearly is the better LB and was able to get to the QB much easier....and is WAY better against the run, an area where Kruger and Mingo are pathetic, at best....and, in terms of pass rushing alone, AB - Kruger - Orchard are much much better than Mingo...
Mingo has rushed the passer plenty...though it may not seem that way because he never gets there....
We need another OLB to play opposite Orchard in the worst way......to me, it's priority #1 on the Defense....
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Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
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OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
Right....Orchard clearly is the better LB and was able to get to the QB much easier....and is WAY better against the run, an area where Kruger and Mingo are pathetic, at best....and, in terms of pass rushing alone, AB - Kruger - Orchard are much much better than Mingo...
Mingo has rushed the passer plenty...though it may not seem that way because he never gets there....
We need another OLB to play opposite Orchard in the worst way......to me, it's priority #1 on the Defense....
Right....Orchard clearly is the better LB and was able to get to the QB much easier....and is WAY better against the run, an area where Kruger and Mingo are pathetic, at best....and, in terms of pass rushing alone, AB - Kruger - Orchard are much much better than Mingo...
Mingo has rushed the passer plenty...though it may not seem that way because he never gets there....
We need another OLB to play opposite Orchard in the worst way......to me, it's priority #1 on the Defense....
Or....we need Bosa. That would alleviate that.
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Right....Orchard clearly is the better LB and was able to get to the QB much easier....and is WAY better against the run, an area where Kruger and Mingo are pathetic, at best....and, in terms of pass rushing alone, AB - Kruger - Orchard are much much better than Mingo...
Mingo has rushed the passer plenty...though it may not seem that way because he never gets there....
We need another OLB to play opposite Orchard in the worst way......to me, it's priority #1 on the Defense....
Or....we need Bosa. That would alleviate that.
Or....we need Bosa. That would alleviate that.
What, in your dutiful analysis, points the to the fact that Joey Bosa would be the best fit for us.
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Or....we need Bosa. That would alleviate that.
What, in your dutiful analysis, points the to the fact that Joey Bosa would be the best fit for us.
What, in your dutiful analysis, points the to the fact that Joey Bosa would be the best fit for us.
We need a killer on defense. He is rated a more sure fire thing that even Clowney was coming out. While we have some OK DE's, I think he would be a vast improvement over what we have.
And you take the best player available (and hell...he may NOT be available)
I think the Browns biggest needs in this draft include QB, WR, ILB, and DL.
You know my view about these QBs.....late first round talent.
No ILB rates that high until you get to Ragland....who would be mid round talent.
No WR rates the #2. If we were drafting # 10 ish....OK.
If you could find a way to trade our #2 to where we could get 3 first rounders in the mid area, then I would like to see Ragland, Treadwell and one of the QBs......but find that trade.
Otherwise you take the players worthy of top 3: we don't need Tunsil.....the Tits do.
Jalen Ramsey? I would rather keep the known commodity in Gipson.
So Bosa, BPA, fits best.
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What, in your dutiful analysis, points the to the fact that Joey Bosa would be the best fit for us.
We need a killer on defense. He is rated a more sure fire thing that even Clowney was coming out. While we have some OK DE's, I think he would be a vast improvement over what we have.
And you take the best player available (and hell...he may NOT be available)
I think the Browns biggest needs in this draft include QB, WR, ILB, and DL.
You know my view about these QBs.....late first round talent.
No ILB rates that high until you get to Ragland....who would be mid round talent.
No WR rates the #2. If we were drafting # 10 ish....OK.
If you could find a way to trade our #2 to where we could get 3 first rounders in the mid area, then I would like to see Ragland, Treadwell and one of the QBs......but find that trade.
Otherwise you take the players worthy of top 3: we don't need Tunsil.....the Tits do.
Jalen Ramsey? I would rather keep the known commodity in Gipson.
So Bosa, BPA, fits best.
We need a killer on defense. He is rated a more sure fire thing that even Clowney was coming out. While we have some OK DE's, I think he would be a vast improvement over what we have.
And you take the best player available (and hell...he may NOT be available)
I think the Browns biggest needs in this draft include QB, WR, ILB, and DL.
You know my view about these QBs.....late first round talent.
No ILB rates that high until you get to Ragland....who would be mid round talent.
No WR rates the #2. If we were drafting # 10 ish....OK.
If you could find a way to trade our #2 to where we could get 3 first rounders in the mid area, then I would like to see Ragland, Treadwell and one of the QBs......but find that trade.
Otherwise you take the players worthy of top 3: we don't need Tunsil.....the Tits do.
Jalen Ramsey? I would rather keep the known commodity in Gipson.
So Bosa, BPA, fits best.
So, other people tell he is a sure thing? Maybe for a 4-3 team but as OLB he'd be asked to drop in to coverage and I'm not sure he's capable of that. I don't doubt he'll be a good player somewhere, but for Horton's system it's not a lock.
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What, in your dutiful analysis, points the to the fact that Joey Bosa would be the best fit for us.
We need a killer on defense. He is rated a more sure fire thing that even Clowney was coming out. While we have some OK DE's, I think he would be a vast improvement over what we have.
And you take the best player available (and hell...he may NOT be available)
I think the Browns biggest needs in this draft include QB, WR, ILB, and DL.
You know my view about these QBs.....late first round talent.
No ILB rates that high until you get to Ragland....who would be mid round talent.
No WR rates the #2. If we were drafting # 10 ish....OK.
If you could find a way to trade our #2 to where we could get 3 first rounders in the mid area, then I would like to see Ragland, Treadwell and one of the QBs......but find that trade.
Otherwise you take the players worthy of top 3: we don't need Tunsil.....the Tits do.
Jalen Ramsey? I would rather keep the known commodity in Gipson.
So Bosa, BPA, fits best.
We need a killer on defense. He is rated a more sure fire thing that even Clowney was coming out. While we have some OK DE's, I think he would be a vast improvement over what we have.
And you take the best player available (and hell...he may NOT be available)
I think the Browns biggest needs in this draft include QB, WR, ILB, and DL.
You know my view about these QBs.....late first round talent.
No ILB rates that high until you get to Ragland....who would be mid round talent.
No WR rates the #2. If we were drafting # 10 ish....OK.
If you could find a way to trade our #2 to where we could get 3 first rounders in the mid area, then I would like to see Ragland, Treadwell and one of the QBs......but find that trade.
Otherwise you take the players worthy of top 3: we don't need Tunsil.....the Tits do.
Jalen Ramsey? I would rather keep the known commodity in Gipson.
So Bosa, BPA, fits best.
Right. But what, in your analysis, makes him a "killer" and a fit for this team. What skills and techniques does he possess that would benefit him in the role we would likely ask him to play - namely, a 3-4 OLBer?
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Gotta say I hate the idea of bosa at OLB....might as well just stick with Kruger if you're gonna do that.....and if we draft Bosa and use him as a 5tech, then fine, but we still will have the same issues we had last season....namely...OLB's who cant play the run, seal the edges or cover a TE...
So, nothing gets fixed....
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We need a killer on defense. He is rated a more sure fire thing that even Clowney was coming out. While we have some OK DE's, I think he would be a vast improvement over what we have.
And you take the best player available (and hell...he may NOT be available)
I think the Browns biggest needs in this draft include QB, WR, ILB, and DL.
You know my view about these QBs.....late first round talent.
No ILB rates that high until you get to Ragland....who would be mid round talent.
No WR rates the #2. If we were drafting # 10 ish....OK.
If you could find a way to trade our #2 to where we could get 3 first rounders in the mid area, then I would like to see Ragland, Treadwell and one of the QBs......but find that trade.
Otherwise you take the players worthy of top 3: we don't need Tunsil.....the Tits do.
Jalen Ramsey? I would rather keep the known commodity in Gipson.
So Bosa, BPA, fits best.
So, other people tell he is a sure thing? Maybe for a 4-3 team but as OLB he'd be asked to drop in to coverage and I'm not sure he's capable of that. I don't doubt he'll be a good player somewhere, but for Horton's system it's not a lock.
So, other people tell he is a sure thing? Maybe for a 4-3 team but as OLB he'd be asked to drop in to coverage and I'm not sure he's capable of that. I don't doubt he'll be a good player somewhere, but for Horton's system it's not a lock.
So, who the fuck says anything about playing him at OLB? If Browns run a 3-4, he would be a DE....though, like at OSU, he would move around all over the place (like JJ Watt does...that is what Bosa does). If they run a 4-3 he will be a DE there as well.
Again...he is a fucking football player that runs people over and tackles people. As closely as I have seen him over the years he is fully capable of just about anything.
Have you ever seen an Ohio St. game? I don't know if you get them over there.
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We need a killer on defense. He is rated a more sure fire thing that even Clowney was coming out. While we have some OK DE's, I think he would be a vast improvement over what we have.
And you take the best player available (and hell...he may NOT be available)
I think the Browns biggest needs in this draft include QB, WR, ILB, and DL.
You know my view about these QBs.....late first round talent.
No ILB rates that high until you get to Ragland....who would be mid round talent.
No WR rates the #2. If we were drafting # 10 ish....OK.
If you could find a way to trade our #2 to where we could get 3 first rounders in the mid area, then I would like to see Ragland, Treadwell and one of the QBs......but find that trade.
Otherwise you take the players worthy of top 3: we don't need Tunsil.....the Tits do.
Jalen Ramsey? I would rather keep the known commodity in Gipson.
So Bosa, BPA, fits best.
Right. But what, in your analysis, makes him a "killer" and a fit for this team. What skills and techniques does he possess that would benefit him in the role we would likely ask him to play - namely, a 3-4 OLBer?
Right. But what, in your analysis, makes him a "killer" and a fit for this team. What skills and techniques does he possess that would benefit him in the role we would likely ask him to play - namely, a 3-4 OLBer?
He will play defensive End. He is 6'6 275 pounds.
What skills? The skill to run the fuck over offensive linemen or to run the fuck around them, and to run down rushers, and to kill Quarterbacks.
Again, I ask.....have any of all y'all ever watched him play? He dominates.
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I know these are highlight reels.....but there is enough here to show what Bosa can do:
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Right. But what, in your analysis, makes him a "killer" and a fit for this team. What skills and techniques does he possess that would benefit him in the role we would likely ask him to play - namely, a 3-4 OLBer?
He will play defensive End. He is 6'6 275 pounds.
What skills? The skill to run the fuck over offensive linemen or to run the fuck around them, and to run down rushers, and to kill Quarterbacks.
Again, I ask.....have any of all y'all ever watched him play? He dominates.
He will play defensive End. He is 6'6 275 pounds.
What skills? The skill to run the fuck over offensive linemen or to run the fuck around them, and to run down rushers, and to kill Quarterbacks.
Again, I ask.....have any of all y'all ever watched him play? He dominates.
Okay. That's all I wanted to hear.
I just wanted it in writing that you literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Carry on...
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Gipper read a fortune cookie Last 4th of July that said there would be no first round QBs this year. He then decided that since QB isn't a very important position that the Browns might as well take the 5th QB prospect on the board. if there's anything that every QB the Browns drafted after Couch has taught us it's that the bargain bin is the best place to find a franchise signal caller.
No, that fortune cookie said that no QB is first round talent. And the fortune cookie was written by Bill Polian.
Not one motherfucker on this board can guarantee that the likes of Lynch/Goff/Wentz will turn out to be a better NFL QB than Cook/Hackenberg/Prescott/Cardale.
You just don't fucking know.
No, that fortune cookie said that no QB is first round talent. And the fortune cookie was written by Bill Polian.
Not one motherfucker on this board can guarantee that the likes of Lynch/Goff/Wentz will turn out to be a better NFL QB than Cook/Hackenberg/Prescott/Cardale.
You just don't fucking know.
So if Polian says it, it must be true. Plenty of folks that know as much about players as Polian think he's full of crap. I'll call that a limited sample size of expertise. LOL, some draft gurus saw Manziel as a third round talent- but the Browns didn't.
If there is a glorious glamorous sure-fire once-in-a-decade QB prospect in next year's draft, then I'm not sure why anybody would think we can get him - assuming we won't be picking #1 overall next year.
We've been down this road already- if there's a sure fire next Andrew Luck or Elway in the next draft, the Browns would have to be drafting #1 overall to get him. A first round pick is a first round pick- be it #2, or #20. The results of blowing it are about the same. Whether Trent Richardson @ #3, or Taylor, Quinn, Weeden in the 20s. The Browns have gone bargain hunting for quarterbacks since 1999 with Couch. It's time to take the best one available, and cross our fingers.
Cook is no bargain @ #32 if he plays like Charlie Frye or Colt McCoy. .
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He will play defensive End. He is 6'6 275 pounds.
What skills? The skill to run the fuck over offensive linemen or to run the fuck around them, and to run down rushers, and to kill Quarterbacks.
Again, I ask.....have any of all y'all ever watched him play? He dominates.
Okay. That's all I wanted to hear.
I just wanted it in writing that you literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Carry on...
Okay. That's all I wanted to hear.
I just wanted it in writing that you literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Carry on...
Yea, I don't know what I'm talking about......you want to put a defensive end at OLB.......Fine....Bosa could do that.
WTF position do you want him to play? Wide receiver.
And yea,.....Bosa only possesses the best combination of power, speed, quickness, intensity that we haven't seen in a long time in football around here. Sure, I don't know what I am talking about.
I mean what? Do you want stupid bullshit football terminology? He can play the Sam in the 46. He can play the Will in the 53? He can play ILB in the 6-2.
You want some fucking pigeon holed bullshit.
I want a football player that can overpower people in a fast and furious manner.
Sorry, maybe Bosa is just too good to fit into one of your pigeon holes.
Stay in your cave and watch the shadows go by Plato.
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Okay. That's all I wanted to hear.
I just wanted it in writing that you literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Carry on...
Yea, I don't know what I'm talking about......you want to put a defensive end at OLB.......Fine....Bosa could do that.
WTF position do you want him to play? Wide receiver.
And yea,.....Bosa only possesses the best combination of power, speed, quickness, intensity that we haven't seen in a long time in football around here. Sure, I don't know what I am talking about.
I mean what? Do you want stupid bullshit football terminology? He can play the Sam in the 46. He can play the Will in the 53? He can play ILB in the 6-2.
You want some fucking pigeon holed bullshit.
I want a football player that can overpower people in a fast and furious manner.
Sorry, maybe Bosa is just too good to fit into one of your pigeon holes.
Stay in your cave and watch the shadows go by Plato.
Yea, I don't know what I'm talking about......you want to put a defensive end at OLB.......Fine....Bosa could do that.
WTF position do you want him to play? Wide receiver.
And yea,.....Bosa only possesses the best combination of power, speed, quickness, intensity that we haven't seen in a long time in football around here. Sure, I don't know what I am talking about.
I mean what? Do you want stupid bullshit football terminology? He can play the Sam in the 46. He can play the Will in the 53? He can play ILB in the 6-2.
You want some fucking pigeon holed bullshit.
I want a football player that can overpower people in a fast and furious manner.
Sorry, maybe Bosa is just too good to fit into one of your pigeon holes.
Stay in your cave and watch the shadows go by Plato.
You are digging a fun hole.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
No, that fortune cookie said that no QB is first round talent. And the fortune cookie was written by Bill Polian.
Not one motherfucker on this board can guarantee that the likes of Lynch/Goff/Wentz will turn out to be a better NFL QB than Cook/Hackenberg/Prescott/Cardale.
You just don't fucking know.
So if Polian says it, it must be true. Plenty of folks that know as much about players as Polian think he's full of crap. I'll call that a limited sample size of expertise. LOL, some draft gurus saw Manziel as a third round talent- but the Browns didn't.
If there is a glorious glamorous sure-fire once-in-a-decade QB prospect in next year's draft, then I'm not sure why anybody would think we can get him - assuming we won't be picking #1 overall next year.
We've been down this road already- if there's a sure fire next Andrew Luck or Elway in the next draft, the Browns would have to be drafting #1 overall to get him. A first round pick is a first round pick- be it #2, or #20. The results of blowing it are about the same. Whether Trent Richardson @ #3, or Taylor, Quinn, Weeden in the 20s. The Browns have gone bargain hunting for quarterbacks since 1999 with Couch. It's time to take the best one available, and cross our fingers.
Cook is no bargain @ #32 if he plays like Charlie Frye or Colt McCoy. .
So if Polian says it, it must be true.
No, but he has a pretty good track record on these things.
Plenty of folks that know as much about players as Polian think he's full of crap.
You mean like the two or three different NFL organizations that he lead to like 6-7 Super Bowl appearances?
I'll call that a limited sample size of expertise. LOL, some draft gurus saw Manziel as a third round talent- but the Browns didn't.
I would love to have the limited expertise of a guy that had 6 or so of his teams go to the Super Bowl.
We've been down this road already- if there's a sure fire next Andrew Luck or Elway in the next draft, the Browns would have to be drafting #1 overall to get him. A first round pick is a first round pick- be it #2, or #20. The results of blowing it are about the same. Whether Trent Richardson @ #3, or Taylor, Quinn, Weeden in the 20s. The Browns have gone bargain hunting for quarterbacks since 1999 with Couch. It's time to take the best one available, and cross our fingers.
Cook is no bargain @ #32 if he plays like Charlie Frye or Colt McCoy. .
Sure....again, I just bring up his name for the sake of argument. (but my argument is that with the #2 pick...why overdraft for bargain basement talent....which is what I see out there at the position...again, I am not totally relying on others. I saw a couple of games of Goffs, where he was either terrible...threw 5 int's or was just OK.
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