Camp Cook

Mike H

@the-gipper said:
Do you know how fast some current or former NFL QBs have thrown the ball?

Year: 2016

Paxton Lynch, Memphis 59

Jared Goff, California 58

Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57

Christian Hackenberg, Penn State 56

Joel Stave, Wisconsin 56

Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State 56

Josh Woodrum, Liberty 56

Cody Kessler, Southern Cal 55

Brandon Allen, Arkansas 55

Trevone Boykin, TCU 55

Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54

Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54

Kevin Hogan, Stanford 53

Brandon Doughty, Western Kentucky 53

Vernon Adams, Oregon 53

Jeff Driskel, Louisana Tech 52

Connor Cook, Michigan State 50

Cardale Jones, Ohio State, Did not throw

Bryan Bennett, SE Louisiana

Year: 2015

Bryan Bennett, SE Louisiana 60

Sean Mannion, Oregon State 57

Brandon Bridge, South Alabama 57

Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56

Anthony Boone, Duke 56

Jameis Winston, Florida State 55

Cody Fajardo, Nevada 55

Bryce Petty, Baylor 53

Brett Hundley, UCLA 53

Shane Carden, East Carolina 52

Jerry Lovelocke, Prairie View A&M 51

Nick Marshall, Auburn 50

Blake Sims, Alabama 42

Garrett Grayson, Colorado State, Did not throw

Connor Halliday, Washington State, Did not throw

Jimmy Garoppolo – 2014

YEAR: 2014

Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech 60

Stephen Morris, Miami 59

Tom Savage, Pittsburgh 57

Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56

Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56

Jeff Mathews, Cornell 56

Keith Wenning, Ball State 56

Jordan Lynch, Northern Illinois 55

Tajh Boyd, Clemson 54

Bryn Renner, North Carolina 54

David Fales, San Jose State 53

AJ McCarron, Alabama 53

Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M 53

Connor Shaw, South Carolina 50

Teddy Twatwater, Louisville – Did not throw

Derek Carr, Fresno State – Did not throw

Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M – Did not throw

Zach Mettenberger, LSU – Did not throw

Aaron Murray, Georgia – Did not throw

Geno Smith – 2013

YEAR: 2013

Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59

Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59

James Vandenberg, Iowa 57

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56

Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56

Geno Smith, West Virginia 55

Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55

EJ Manuel, Florida State 54

Matthew Scott, Arizona 54

Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53

Collin Klein, Kansas State 52

Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51

Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51

Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49

Matt Barkley, Southern Cal – Did not throw

Sean Renfree, Duke – Did not throw

Brandon Weeden – 2012

YEAR: 2012

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59

Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi 58

Nick Foles, Arizona 57

Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois 57

Jordan Jefferson, LSU 57

Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55

Casey Keenum, Houston 55

Patrick Witt, Yale 54

Darron Thomas, Oregon 53

Ryan Lindley, San Diego State 52

Kellen Moore, Boise State 52

Jacory Harris, Miami 50

Aaron Corp, Richmond 50

BJ Coleman, Tennessee-Chattanooga Did not throw

Robert Griffin III, Baylor Did not throw

Andrew Luck, Stanford Did not throw

Brock Osweiler, Arizona State Did not throw

Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M Did not throw

Andy Dalton 2011

YEAR: 2011

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59

Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58

Patrick Devlin, Delaware 56

Andy Dalton, TCU 56

Cam Newton, Auburn 56

Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin 55

Nathan Enderle, Idaho 54

Jake Locker, Washington 54

TJ Yates, North Carolina 52

Christian Ponder, Florida St 51

Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 50

Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50

Greg McElroy, Alabama Did not throw

Blaine Gabbert, Missouri Did not throw

John Skelton 2010

YEAR: 2010

Levi Brown, Troy 56

Colt McCoy, Texas 56 (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball.

Max Hall, BYU 52

Tim Hiller, Western Michigan 52

Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52

Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St. 52

Jevan Snead, Mississippi 52

Sean Canfield, Oregon St. 51

Jarrett Brown, West Virginia 50

John Skelton, Fordham 50

Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan 49

Tony Pike, Cincinnati 49

Armanti Edwards, Appalachian St. 46.5

Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Did not throw

Jimmy Clausen,Notre Dame Did not throw

Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee Did not throw

Tim Tebow, Florida Did not throw

Josh Freeman 2009

YEAR: 2009

John Wilson Parker, Alabama 58

Mike Reilly, Central Washington 58

Drew Willy, Buffalo 58

Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57

Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57

Chase Daniels, Missouri 57

Nate Davis, Ball State 56

Curtis Painter, Purdue 56

Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State 55

Tom Brandstetter, Fresno State 53

Cullen Harper, Clemson 53

Stephen McGee, Texas A & M 53

Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 52

Pat White, West Virginia 52

Matt Stafford, Georgia Did not throw

Joe Flacco 2008

YEAR 2008:

Paul Smith, Tulsa 57

Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

Kevin O’Connell, San Diego St 55

Brian Brohm, Louisville 53

Chad Henne, Michigan 53

Erik Ainge, Tennessee 52

John David Booty, Southern Cal 51

Matt Flynn, LSU 50

Josh Johnson, San Diego 49

Colt Brennan, Hawaii 44

Dennis Dixon, Oregon Did not throw

Matt Ryan, Boston College Did not throw

Andre Woodson, Kentucky Did not throw

Connor Shaw, Ricky Stanzi and Tyrod Taylor are the most notable players to hit just 50 MPH since 2008. Not a great group to be in

Mike H

I asked a follow-up to the author (Dan Shonka, owner of Ourlads scouting)

Hey Dan -- how are the velocity speeds calculated for this? http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ …

Is there a separate drill designed to test velocity, or are speeds taken during different drills?

Mar 2

Mike, The QBs throw out cuts to their right and then to the left. The radar gun records their peak speed in both directions. The ball is thrown to a standing receiver

I asked the question because I wanted to know if they were throwing at a moving target, or if they were able to wind-up and uncork it. This drill is intended for players to get maximum velocity/torque...

Cook has a noodle arm, like I thought after watching all his tape. Hard pass for me

gumby73

As a HS football scout this is LOL Gold. Gip, these scouts have got all the info anybody would need. Does a college or pro head of scouting trust the info? No way José. Did we see Hue & staff with Wentz & Goff. Hell Yes,(with our old scouting masters still in place . I don't blame them).. They have their own OWN IT answer. We will see & We will all know at pick#2..

hoorta

@mike-h said:

I asked a follow-up to the author (Dan Shonka, owner of Ourlads scouting)

Hey Dan -- how are the velocity speeds calculated for this? http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ …

Is there a separate drill designed to test velocity, or are speeds taken during different drills?

Mike, The QBs throw out cuts to their right and then to the left. The radar gun records their peak speed in both directions. The ball is thrown to a standing receiver

I asked the question because I wanted to know if they were throwing at a moving target, or if they were able to wind-up and uncork it. This drill is intended for players to get maximum velocity/torque...

Cook has a noodle arm, like I thought after watching all his tape. Hard pass for me

Verrrryyyy interesting Mike. Shows just because you can throw rockets doesn't guarantee NFL success. Fer sure, looks like you had better be in the mid 50s+ though.

Regarding Cook- weak arm + I forgot he skipped the Senior Bowl + was never voted a team Captain- steer clear MHO.

Mike H

FWIW, Cook hurt his throwing shoulder in November 2015 and may not have been fully healed by the time the combine measurement was taken. I still didn't see a "live" arm before the injury.

wargograw

Dang. A football at 60 MPH? I never would've thought those things are flying that fast.

The Gipper

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

Just goes to show that velocity and accuracy and competency are far different matters.

MLD Woody

Camp Douchebag

Mike H

@the-gipper said:

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

Just goes to show that velocity and accuracy and competency are far different matters.

Right. It's only one measurement. Being able to only throw a ball hard would make a good pitcher, but the mental and mechanical side of things is just as important for QB. Still, there seems to be a threshold of ability needed to be successful. Mid-50 MPH arm strength is a good benchmark

The Gipper

@mike-h said:
Right. It's only one measurement. Being able to only throw a ball hard would make a good pitcher, but the mental and mechanical side of things is just as important for QB. Still, there seems to be a threshold of ability needed to be successful. Mid-50 MPH arm strength is a good benchmark

I wonder how fast Dan Marino and John Elway threw it.

Tour2ma

Couple names that surprised me to the low side...
Bryce Petty, Baylor 53
Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

This one surprised me high...
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59

@wargograw said:
Dang. A football at 60 MPH? I never would've thought those things are flying that fast.

Seems like I remember Favre registering something like 63... mentioned in some random MNF conversation along with a conversion to throwing a baseball.

@mike-h said:
Right. It's only one measurement. Being able to only throw a ball hard would make a good pitcher...

It didn't in Wheezy's case...

hoorta

@tour2ma said:

Seems like I remember Favre registering something like 63... mentioned in some random MNF conversation along with a conversion to throwing a baseball.

It didn't in Wheezy's case...

I would love to know what Duante Culpepper clocked on the velocity meter. Back in 1999 our resident UCF Alum\ Pumper swore he saw Duante throw a ball 90 yards in the air during practice. For that matter, me being the resident Couch pumper- it was reported Tim could toss a ball through the goalposts from the 50 yard line- on his knees.

MLD Woody

Remember when he broke those clay pigeons though?

Westside Steve

So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

WSS

The Gipper

@westside-steve said:

So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

WSS

And that may be a viable plan.

Westside Steve

@the-gipper said:
And that may be a viable plan.

Depending on how good the third fourth or fifth best quarterback turns out to be. I wouldn't mind seeing Connor Cook succeed because he's in Ohio guy, same thing with Cardale Jones, but like my page I don't have a good feeling.

Besides Gipper Grossi wasn't talking about taking Bosa.

WSS

gumby73

@westside-steve said:

So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

WSS

Grossi flips more than a fish on land. Stick to the best option for your future. Their is no substitute for the Goff/Wentz Plan. We have 9 more picks. Haslem should not force Hue on any 2nd hand QB decisions just for a couple wins. Bite your own bullet you built Jimmy..

RoyceRolls

I have a gut feeling that trading back is going to be the Brown's first option.

wargograw

At least drop a few spots and if one of the QBs is there, consider yourself lucky. Decent chance they will be.

Westside Steve

@gumby73 said:
Grossi flips more than a fish on land. Stick to the best option for your future. Their is no substitute for the Goff/Wentz Plan. We have 9 more picks. Haslem should not force Hue on any 2nd hand QB decisions just for a couple wins. Bite your own bullet you built Jimmy..

I don't think he's giving his opinion he's telling what he thinks the Browns are leaning toward week after week. He thinks that's changed with the acquisition of Robert Griffin the Turd.

WSS