Folks, we have a plan
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One, Mack, left for 250k less money. Let's try to stick to the facts we have availableAs far as I am aware, they negotiated with all four of them. Two walked for less money. Not much the front office can do at that point.
One, Mack, left for 250k less money. Let's try to stick to the facts we have available
So Mack left for less money then or are we debating what "less" means?
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Looking like the new FO is flexing their muscles and showing the anal side of things to come
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You said two...So Mack left for less money then or are we debating what "less" means?
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You said two...So Mack left for less money then or are we debating what "less" means?
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I was led to believe Schwartz did as well. If I am off, I apologize.
I was led to believe the same....and thats what local reporters have been reporting all day.....could be speculation, but that was the reason given for pulling his offr/////because we offered the highest price, then he "supposedly" wanted to go back and negotiate more with anoher team.....and that prompted the Browns to pull the offer so they wouldnt be "used" for his negotiations elsewhere....
heresay, I know.....bt I believe it was a quality leak to local reporters.....
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If we are planning on a couple of bad seasons and really starting from scratch then I actually would endorse the Ghoolie plan re: Joe Thomas. Please don't stone me.
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If we are planning on a couple of bad seasons and really starting from scratch then I actually would endorse the Ghoolie plan re: Joe Thomas. Please don't stone me.
If we are planning on a couple of bad seasons and really starting from scratch then I actually would endorse the Ghoolie plan re: Joe Thomas. Please don't stone me.
Honestly, it wouldn't be bad if that is their intended goal. I wouldn't be shocked to see it on draft day. Farmer tried it before the deadline with the Broncos.
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If we are planning on a couple of bad seasons and really starting from scratch then I actually would endorse the Ghoolie plan re: Joe Thomas. Please don't stone me.
If we are planning on a couple of bad seasons and really starting from scratch then I actually would endorse the Ghoolie plan re: Joe Thomas. Please don't stone me.
The Ghoolie theory "offensive line are dime a dozen" is apparently going to be put to the test.....
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I was led to believe Schwartz did as well. If I am off, I apologize.
I was led to believe the same....and thats what local reporters have been reporting all day.....could be speculation, but that was the reason given for pulling his offr/////because we offered the highest price, then he "supposedly" wanted to go back and negotiate more with anoher team.....and that prompted the Browns to pull the offer so they wouldnt be "used" for his negotiations elsewhere....
heresay, I know.....bt I believe it was a quality leak to local reporters.....
The Browns offering 7.5$ million and pulling the offer does not equate to Schwartz signing for less by getting $6 million. He wasn't choosing between 7.5 and 6I was led to believe the same....and thats what local reporters have been reporting all day.....could be speculation, but that was the reason given for pulling his offr/////because we offered the highest price, then he "supposedly" wanted to go back and negotiate more with anoher team.....and that prompted the Browns to pull the offer so they wouldnt be "used" for his negotiations elsewhere....
heresay, I know.....bt I believe it was a quality leak to local reporters.....
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The Browns offering 7.5$ million and pulling the offer does not equate to Schwartz signing for less by getting $6 million. He wasn't choosing between 7.5 and 6I was led to believe the same....and thats what local reporters have been reporting all day.....could be speculation, but that was the reason given for pulling his offr/////because we offered the highest price, then he "supposedly" wanted to go back and negotiate more with anoher team.....and that prompted the Browns to pull the offer so they wouldnt be "used" for his negotiations elsewhere....
heresay, I know.....bt I believe it was a quality leak to local reporters.....
The Browns offering 7.5$ million and pulling the offer does not equate to Schwartz signing for less by getting $6 million. He wasn't choosing between 7.5 and 6
OK, his agent was.
If it was all about $$$ Schwartz should fire his agent for poor negotiating..... -
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If we are planning on a couple of bad seasons and really starting from scratch then I actually would endorse the Ghoolie plan re: Joe Thomas. Please don't stone me.
The Ghoolie theory "offensive line are dime a dozen" is apparently going to be put to the test.....
The Ghoolie theory "offensive line are dime a dozen" is apparently going to be put to the test.....
Yeah, the supply is not quite that high, but I think OL replaceability is higher than people think.
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The analytical approach in progress. WTF makes Haslam think this will keep the fans interested? I know we're stupid and just a large group of losers, blindly following our team with some stupid loyalty that was forged 50 years ago, but come on....what is the plan here....really? It's looking more like the plan is to cut costs to the penny, and make as much as possible off the fans as long as possible, then dump what's left of this so called NFL franchise. I really don't care about losing the players we lost, if we were active in free agency. I haven't seen anything to give us any kind of hope that there is a plan to build anything here....other than a new mansion for Haslam. Screw this guy! All he has done is succeeded in making a pathetic franchise worse than we could have imagined.
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Okay some random thoughts after day 1. My biggest disappointment isn't in who they didn't keep, it's in who they did keep, but I'll get to that later. What the 'plan' might be:
1) The Browns offensive line is being retooled for a more power run game. Perhaps that's why they tendered Pazstor and are letting Mack and Schwartz go. In order to improve the run game, we're going to sacrifice pass blocking but that doesn't matter so much because...
2) ...we're going to draft Jared Goff. Goff demonstrated poise and toughness behind a crappy offensive line. He's going to release the ball quickly, in just over two seconds, because that's what Hue Jackson is going to coach him to do. Andy Dalton improved his time-to-pass under Jackson from ~2.6 to ~2.2 seconds. When a QB releases that quickly, there is a lot less pressure on the offensive line to pass block.
So for now, I'm going to hold back on knee-jerk reactions that the sky is falling in Berea. We'll see if my guess as to the 'plan' based on what the Browns do between now and the draft. As for the biggest dissappointment:
1) Why the hell didn't they cut Manziel at 4pm on Wednesday after saying that his 'roster status would be made clear' on March 9th? The rumor is they hope to get some conditional late round pick. What that tells me is that they value a seventh round pick they MIGHT get over their integrity. I've said all along this team's biggest problem is in the culture, and not cutting Manziel makes me thing they still don't get that.
2) And why is Dwayne Bowe still on the roster? Do they think they're going to be able resurrect his career? C'mon.
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There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately. We aren't punishing him because he doesn't care. We have to pay him anyway so what's the difference? Nope probably no chance of even a seventh conditional but what's the difference?
It's actually more punishment to let him sit and wait while other teams take care of their quarterback needs and make him even less valuable to them.
Pretty much the same with Dwayne Bowe. We aren't going to have to worry about the roster spot for a while.
WSS
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There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately. We aren't punishing him because he doesn't care. We have to pay him anyway so what's the difference? Nope probably no chance of even a seventh conditional but what's the difference?
It's actually more punishment to let him sit and wait while other teams take care of their quarterback needs and make him even less valuable to them.
Pretty much the same with Dwayne Bowe. We aren't going to have to worry about the roster spot for a while.
WSS
There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately. We aren't punishing him because he doesn't care. We have to pay him anyway so what's the difference? Nope probably no chance of even a seventh conditional but what's the difference?
It's actually more punishment to let him sit and wait while other teams take care of their quarterback needs and make him even less valuable to them.
Pretty much the same with Dwayne Bowe. We aren't going to have to worry about the roster spot for a while.
WSS
I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.
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Can we make this the Browns theme song now ?
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There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately. We aren't punishing him because he doesn't care. We have to pay him anyway so what's the difference? Nope probably no chance of even a seventh conditional but what's the difference?
It's actually more punishment to let him sit and wait while other teams take care of their quarterback needs and make him even less valuable to them.
Pretty much the same with Dwayne Bowe. We aren't going to have to worry about the roster spot for a while.
WSS
I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.
I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.
I guess that's possible but frankly Hue Jackson is coming from the Cincinnati Bengals, a system not particularly known for squeaky clean standards.
WSS
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Using anal ytics, Manziel to Bowe to Gordon seems like a helluva double play combo.
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Gipson was the only consistent DB on team over last three years. You're right, no loss thereI am not concerned about Gipson. Schwartz? Sure but he accepted less money to leave. Can't really negotiate with that.
Gipson was the only consistent DB on team over last three years. You're right, no loss there
Also one of the few starters on the team all of the past three years. Gip's issue was in the past two seasons he missed half of a season due to injury.
The Browns offering 7.5$ million and pulling the offer does not equate to Schwartz signing for less by getting $6 million. He wasn't choosing between 7.5 and 6
Bingo!
agree there. But we don't know how much guaranteed and how much total Browns offered
... or the duration, but hard for me to believe we weren't in the 5-yr/50% ballpark...
There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately.
Correct... the "profit" comes if he is suspended by the league.
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