Winslow now highest-paid tight end in NFL history.
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@inspecta said:
11 TD's in 4 years, yeah he's a real game changer
He was a glorified possession receiver.
Come back next Dec and we'll talk about all the value Winslow added to the Bucs offense.
It's a date. And that's 214 receptions he contributed the past three years you need to make up for, but that'll be easy right? You have who? Hubbard and Steptoe? And can't forget professional practice-squadder Lance Leggett of course.
Yeah, you're playoff bound for sure. Steve Heiden will get the seperation for you. ROFLMAO!
It's a date. And that's 171 receptions in two years you need to make up for, but that'll be easy right? You have who? Hubbard and Steptoe? And can't forget professional practice-squadder Lance Leggett of course.
Yeah, you're playoff bound for sure. Steve Heiden will get the seperation for you. ROFLMAO!
If you think the Browns are playoff bound WITH Winslow this year...you are sipping some pretty high grade kool-aid. The fact is the Browns are going to be lucky to make it to .500 this year. Winslow would be taking another pounding...and in even worse shape than ever going into the next off season...and all the while asking for a new contract.
The fact is, Winslow may be a pretty good player...but he is NOT going to be the difference that gets us to the playoffs over the next 2 years or so...and is only going to decrease in value as teams start worrying more and more about his injury history.
There is also an article on ESPN that talks about the 5 worst moves of this off-season...and guess what....TB is on there for making Winslow what he wanted the Browns to make him....the highest paid TE in history.
So, we get rid of a guy who thinks he is THE BEST...who is effect is a LUXURY for a rebuilding team....get a couple new pieces for him...unload his salary and avoid having to pay him the money he THINKS he deserves.
Sounds like a pretty good deal to me...that and the fact we got EXACTLY what the Giants got for Shockey...and I am not complaining.
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If you think the Browns are playoff bound WITH Winslow this year...you are sipping some pretty high grade kool-aid. The fact is the Browns are going to be lucky to make it to .500 this year. Winslow would be taking another pounding...and in even worse shape than ever going into the next off season...and all the while asking for a new contract.
The fact is, Winslow may be a pretty good player...but he is NOT going to be the difference that gets us to the playoffs over the next 2 years or so...and is only going to decrease in value as teams start worrying more and more about his injury history.
Or maybe he'll make the Pro Bowl again this year.....
The highest paid Tight End in NFL history, that just sounds better every time I hear it.
Mmmmm. This kool-aid is so good. You should try some. Oh, that's right, you can't! You dummies traded his ass!
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@inspecta said:
Your wrong Riffer, not smellin' chubby checker, I'm smelling good ol jaqueer....Oh really? What gave it away there Pete? At least I can say I get laid.
And guess what, you're officially flaming. I guess it takes one to know one.
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If you think the Browns are playoff bound WITH Winslow this year...you are sipping some pretty high grade kool-aid. The fact is the Browns are going to be lucky to make it to .500 this year. Winslow would be taking another pounding...and in even worse shape than ever going into the next off season...and all the while asking for a new contract.
The fact is, Winslow may be a pretty good player...but he is NOT going to be the difference that gets us to the playoffs over the next 2 years or so...and is only going to decrease in value as teams start worrying more and more about his injury history.
Or maybe he'll make the Pro Bowl again this year.....
The highest paid Tight End in NFL history, that just sounds better every time I hear it.
Mmmmm. This kool-aid is so good. You should try some. Oh, that's right, you can't! You dummies traded his ass!
Or maybe he'll make the Pro Bowl again this year.....
The highest paid Tight End in NFL history, that just sounds better every time I hear it.
Mmmmm. This kool-aid is so good. You should try some. Oh, that's right, you can't! You dummies traded his ass!
So what if he does??? It still wouldn't be enough in all likelihood to get the Browns into the playoffs...and would just reinforce his desire to get paid...and would just cause more in-season whining on his part about NOT getting paid....so where would be the benefit?
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If you think the Browns are playoff bound WITH Winslow this year...you are sipping some pretty high grade kool-aid. The fact is the Browns are going to be lucky to make it to .500 this year. Winslow would be taking another pounding...and in even worse shape than ever going into the next off season...and all the while asking for a new contract.
The fact is, Winslow may be a pretty good player...but he is NOT going to be the difference that gets us to the playoffs over the next 2 years or so...and is only going to decrease in value as teams start worrying more and more about his injury history.
Or maybe he'll make the Pro Bowl again this year.....
The highest paid Tight End in NFL history, that just sounds better every time I hear it.
Mmmmm. This kool-aid is so good. You should try some. Oh, that's right, you can't! You dummies traded his ass!
Or maybe he'll make the Pro Bowl again this year.....
The highest paid Tight End in NFL history, that just sounds better every time I hear it.
Mmmmm. This kool-aid is so good. You should try some. Oh, that's right, you can't! You dummies traded his ass!
So it sounds good to over pay for someone who will more likely then not, not live up to his paycheck. He was treated very well here. paid when he could have been cut, and was not asked to give up money that we could have took from him. Great talent, but his body could not back up that talent after the accident. If you think otherwise well then you know little about football or the human body.
HOW much better do you think he would have been had he not gotten hurt? How many more seasons do you think he has left in him? and how many at a high level?
Kool-aid must taste good cause you are drinkiing it by the bucket full.
Damn and I thought LUM had a man crush!
โWhat Can BROWN Do For You!โ Record for the year. 9-7 + or - 1 and not being swept by any team in the division. -
Or maybe he'll make the Pro Bowl again this year.....
The highest paid Tight End in NFL history, that just sounds better every time I hear it.
Mmmmm. This kool-aid is so good. You should try some. Oh, that's right, you can't! You dummies traded his ass!
So what if he does??? It still wouldn't be enough in all likelihood to get the Browns into the playoffs...and would just reinforce his desire to get paid...and would just cause more in-season whining on his part about NOT getting paid....so where would be the benefit?
So what if he does??? It still wouldn't be enough in all likelihood to get the Browns into the playoffs...and would just reinforce his desire to get paid...and would just cause more in-season whining on his part about NOT getting paid....so where would be the benefit?
That's a lot of what-ifs.
The benefit would probably be in the 70-80 reception 5 TD range.
C'mon buddy, stop with the sour grapes. I bet if I searched your posts I'd find you used to like the guy. Am I right?
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Or maybe he'll make the Pro Bowl again this year.....
The highest paid Tight End in NFL history, that just sounds better every time I hear it.
Mmmmm. This kool-aid is so good. You should try some. Oh, that's right, you can't! You dummies traded his ass!
So it sounds good to over pay for someone who will more likely then not, not live up to his paycheck. He was treated very well here. paid when he could have been cut, and was not asked to give up money that we could have took from him. Great talent, but his body could not back up that talent after the accident. If you think otherwise well then you know little about football or the human body.
HOW much better do you think he would have been had he not gotten hurt? How many more seasons do you think he has left in him? and how many at a high level?
Kool-aid must taste good cause you are drinkiing it by the bucket full.
Damn and I thought LUM had a man crush!
So it sounds good to over pay for someone who will more likely then not, not live up to his paycheck. He was treated very well here. paid when he could have been cut, and was not asked to give up money that we could have took from him. Great talent, but his body could not back up that talent after the accident. If you think otherwise well then you know little about football or the human body.
It's more like the previous regime valued his value. And this one would rather invest their time starting from scratch, I guess. Looks lazy to me.HOW much better do you think he would have been had he not gotten hurt? How many more seasons do you think he has left in him? and how many at a high level?
K2 might be the best receiving TE in the entire NFL this year. And if he's totally healthy, in all likelihood he will be.
All that matters here is your organization could have had two of those years. Suckers.
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holy hell.
leave for a couple days and they come out of the woodwork.
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So it sounds good to over pay for someone who will more likely then not, not live up to his paycheck. He was treated very well here. paid when he could have been cut, and was not asked to give up money that we could have took from him. Great talent, but his body could not back up that talent after the accident. If you think otherwise well then you know little about football or the human body.
It's more like the previous regime valued his value. And this one would rather invest their time starting from scratch, I guess. Looks lazy to me.HOW much better do you think he would have been had he not gotten hurt? How many more seasons do you think he has left in him? and how many at a high level?
K2 might be the best receiving TE in the entire NFL this year. And if he's totally healthy, in all likelihood he will be.
All that matters here is your organization could have had two of those years. Suckers.
It's more like the previous regime valued his value. And this one would rather invest their time starting from scratch, I guess. Looks lazy to me.
K2 might be the best receiving TE in the entire NFL this year. And if he's totally healthy, in all likelihood he will be.
All that matters here is your organization could have had two of those years. Suckers.
Dude, you have just as many what-ifs in your arguments in favor of your lover as any Browns fan has for this being a good deal on Mankok's part. Its a very BIG IF about Winslow staying healthy all season. Even if he does, and he was here, his play alone is not going to make the Browns a playoff team, and that is the point most are trying to get into your thick head. Whether you want to face facts or not, his accident and subsequent surgeries and bouts with staph have left his knees in questionable shape, especially when it comes to lasting an entire season. On top of it, he can be a distraction with his mouth and his contract demands. Lets not forget, the dude just cannot run-block to save his own mama. That is important in the cold, windy months.
He may very well thrive down in Tampa. Its a completely different situation. You can't equate Nov-Dec in Tampa to the same months in Ohio. I hope KWII does have a great season with the Bucs. But that does not mean he would have that same kind of season in Cleveland.
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holy hell.
leave for a couple days and they come out of the woodwork.
holy hell.
leave for a couple days and they come out of the woodwork.
I thought you were ignoring me?
Ready to defect and start learning how a real team operates, boi? You guys won't have anything left before they're done with that roster. Better start getting your top-5 pick ready for next year! Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!! -
It's more like the previous regime valued his value. And this one would rather invest their time starting from scratch, I guess. Looks lazy to me.
K2 might be the best receiving TE in the entire NFL this year. And if he's totally healthy, in all likelihood he will be.
All that matters here is your organization could have had two of those years. Suckers.
Dude, you have just as many what-ifs in your arguments in favor of your lover as any Browns fan has for this being a good deal on Mankok's part. Its a very BIG IF about Winslow staying healthy all season. Even if he does, and he was here, his play alone is not going to make the Browns a playoff team, and that is the point most are trying to get into your thick head. Whether you want to face facts or not, his accident and subsequent surgeries and bouts with staph have left his knees in questionable shape, especially when it comes to lasting an entire season. On top of it, he can be a distraction with his mouth and his contract demands. Lets not forget, the dude just cannot run-block to save his own mama. That is important in the cold, windy months.
He may very well thrive down in Tampa. Its a completely different situation. You can't equate Nov-Dec in Tampa to the same months in Ohio. I hope KWII does have a great season with the Bucs. But that does not mean he would have that same kind of season in Cleveland.
Dude, you have just as many what-ifs in your arguments in favor of your lover as any Browns fan has for this being a good deal on Mankok's part. Its a very BIG IF about Winslow staying healthy all season. Even if he does, and he was here, his play alone is not going to make the Browns a playoff team, and that is the point most are trying to get into your thick head. Whether you want to face facts or not, his accident and subsequent surgeries and bouts with staph have left his knees in questionable shape, especially when it comes to lasting an entire season. On top of it, he can be a distraction with his mouth and his contract demands. Lets not forget, the dude just cannot run-block to save his own mama. That is important in the cold, windy months.
He may very well thrive down in Tampa. Its a completely different situation. You can't equate Nov-Dec in Tampa to the same months in Ohio. I hope KWII does have a great season with the Bucs. But that does not mean he would have that same kind of season in Cleveland.
20M guaranteed says he's doing just fine. He'd be a huge asset to ANY team, including the Browns. I get that you guys weigh it out and want to justify his trade, but bottom line is you were better off with him.
So he pushed for an extension--big deal! He wasn't a cancer in the locker room by any stretch. In fact he was more like a leader, especially on the field. He has matured a lot and could have potentially been one of Mangini's key go-to locker room guys. OOPS!!!!!
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Dude, you have just as many what-ifs in your arguments in favor of your lover as any Browns fan has for this being a good deal on Mankok's part. Its a very BIG IF about Winslow staying healthy all season. Even if he does, and he was here, his play alone is not going to make the Browns a playoff team, and that is the point most are trying to get into your thick head. Whether you want to face facts or not, his accident and subsequent surgeries and bouts with staph have left his knees in questionable shape, especially when it comes to lasting an entire season. On top of it, he can be a distraction with his mouth and his contract demands. Lets not forget, the dude just cannot run-block to save his own mama. That is important in the cold, windy months.
He may very well thrive down in Tampa. Its a completely different situation. You can't equate Nov-Dec in Tampa to the same months in Ohio. I hope KWII does have a great season with the Bucs. But that does not mean he would have that same kind of season in Cleveland.
20M guaranteed says he's doing just fine. He'd be a huge asset to ANY team, including the Browns. I get that you guys weigh it out and want to justify his trade, but bottom line is you were better off with him.
So he pushed for an extension--big deal! He wasn't a cancer in the locker room by any stretch. In fact he was more like a leader, especially on the field. He has matured a lot and could have potentially been one of Mangini's key go-to locker room guys. OOPS!!!!!
20M guaranteed says he's doing just fine. He'd be a huge asset to ANY team, including the Browns. I get that you guys weigh it out and want to justify his trade, but bottom line is you were better off with him. So he pushed for an extension, big deal. He wasn't a cancer in the locker room by any stretch. In fact, he was more of a leader, especially on the field. He has matured a lot and could have potentially been one of Mangini's key go-to locker room guys. OOPS!!!!!
Sure thing dude, like you know how mature the guy is in the locker room. That's why he got suspended last year for a game because his massive ego got bruised that Phil didn't call him at the hospital. 20M guaranteed doesn't mean shit. Teams hand out guaranteed money all the time to guys that end up not cutting it any longer. Again, he may very well thrive in Tampa, but that situation is completely irrelevant to Cleveland. Different weather, different offense, different needs of the team. It may very well prove to be a good move for both teams. You just don't get it that you can't compare the teams and think KWII would have the same impact on both.
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20M guaranteed says he's doing just fine. He'd be a huge asset to ANY team, including the Browns. I get that you guys weigh it out and want to justify his trade, but bottom line is you were better off with him. So he pushed for an extension, big deal. He wasn't a cancer in the locker room by any stretch. In fact, he was more of a leader, especially on the field. He has matured a lot and could have potentially been one of Mangini's key go-to locker room guys. OOPS!!!!!
Sure thing dude, like you know how mature the guy is in the locker room. That's why he got suspended last year for a game because his massive ego got bruised that Phil didn't call him at the hospital. 20M guaranteed doesn't mean shit. Teams hand out guaranteed money all the time to guys that end up not cutting it any longer. Again, he may very well thrive in Tampa, but that situation is completely irrelevant to Cleveland. Different weather, different offense, different needs of the team. It may very well prove to be a good move for both teams. You just don't get it that you can't compare the teams and think KWII would have the same impact on both.
Sure thing dude, like you know how mature the guy is in the locker room. That's why he got suspended last year for a game because his massive ego got bruised that Phil didn't call him at the hospital. 20M guaranteed doesn't mean shit. Teams hand out guaranteed money all the time to guys that end up not cutting it any longer. Again, he may very well thrive in Tampa, but that situation is completely irrelevant to Cleveland. Different weather, different offense, different needs of the team. It may very well prove to be a good move for both teams. You just don't get it that you can't compare the teams and think KWII would have the same impact on both.
He was suspended by Phil for talking about the staph while Phil was trying to cover it up, a suspension Lerner personally rescinded and apologized to him for.
20M in contract incentives doesn't mean much, but when it's guaranteed it does.
I just don't see a viable option to replace him in Cleveland, especially not right away. A 2nd round pick won't give you his production this year.
Not to mention the orange/brown combo is a lot better than red/gray. So I'm salty about that too and need to take it out on somebody. Your colors look sharp.
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So it sounds good to over pay for someone who will more likely then not, not live up to his paycheck. He was treated very well here. paid when he could have been cut, and was not asked to give up money that we could have took from him. Great talent, but his body could not back up that talent after the accident. If you think otherwise well then you know little about football or the human body.
It's more like the previous regime valued his value. And this one would rather invest their time starting from scratch, I guess. Looks lazy to me.HOW much better do you think he would have been had he not gotten hurt? How many more seasons do you think he has left in him? and how many at a high level?
K2 might be the best receiving TE in the entire NFL this year. And if he's totally healthy, in all likelihood he will be.
All that matters here is your organization could have had two of those years. Suckers.
It's more like the previous regime valued his value. And this one would rather invest their time starting from scratch, I guess. Looks lazy to me.
K2 might be the best receiving TE in the entire NFL this year. And if he's totally healthy, in all likelihood he will be.
All that matters here is your organization could have had two of those years. Suckers.
And you could have had him for two years too, at the old contract fact is Tampa did not have to give him that contract and was dumb to do it at least until after this year is over.
He is the best receiving TE, but it is the whole package that hurts him, he can't block as well as he should cause of the bum knee, and being that he can't run block as well he does present a bit of a tell tell. (although that is not a huge deal) his achelies heal is the fact of that his career is cut short. If you don't think that his career was cut short and his abilities cut short then you are fooling yourself.
20M guaranteed says he's doing just fine. He'd be a huge asset to ANY team, including the Browns. I get that you guys weigh it out and want to justify his trade, but bottom line is you were better off with him.
So he pushed for an extension--big deal! He wasn't a cancer in the locker room by any stretch. In fact he was more like a leader, especially on the field. He has matured a lot and could have potentially been one of Mangini's key go-to locker room guys. OOPS!!!!!
for 20M guaranteed no matter if my knee falls off half way through or not I would be doing great too. And I wish him the best. Did we say he was a cancer. No it was a business decision.
Stop with the man love. He is on the Bucs now. go bug them. you offer nothing here.
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So what if he does??? It still wouldn't be enough in all likelihood to get the Browns into the playoffs...and would just reinforce his desire to get paid...and would just cause more in-season whining on his part about NOT getting paid....so where would be the benefit?
That's a lot of what-ifs.
The benefit would probably be in the 70-80 reception 5 TD range.
C'mon buddy, stop with the sour grapes. I bet if I searched your posts I'd find you used to like the guy. Am I right?
That's a lot of what-ifs.
The benefit would probably be in the 70-80 reception 5 TD range.
C'mon buddy, stop with the sour grapes. I bet if I searched your posts I'd find you used to like the guy. Am I right?
You have to SUBTRACT the catches and TD's that our current TE's would get to ascertain the BENEFIT of having him...then you have to figure in the BLOCKS they would get that HE wouldn't.
So, catch wise he is worth 20-30 extra catches by a TE, and maybe 1-2 TD's.....and he is likely to cost us 20-30 blocks that he would not be able to maintain due to his knees....then add on the fact that teams KNOW he can't block so they can scheme to rush the side that he is lined up on and you pretty much come out with a very minimal gain on an average team.
Sure, I like him. And I agree is a good player...and among the best when it comes to receiving from the TE position...but his limited ability to block...and the strong pass rushes we face in the AFC North...limit his effectiveness. He will be a nice fit in the warm weather of TB...but here is as much a liability in pass blocking as he is a weapon in receiving....definitely not worth 5x what we are going to pay 3 other TE's.
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Who do you think will have the better year--Royals, Heiden, or Rucker?
I think that's a pretty tough question actually, knowing what I know about the Browns. I'm going to guess Heiden, because he's a Cleveland guy with hands and the re-rookie can lean his way a bit.
Then again Robert Royals may have some systemic knowledge Mangini and Daboll might employ. Should be interesting.
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Keleen you are avoiding the question that I asked you earlier!
HOW much better do you think he would have been had he not gotten hurt? How many more seasons do you think he has left in him? and how many at a high level?
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Keleen you are avoiding the question that I asked you earlier!
HOW much better do you think he would have been had he not gotten hurt? How many more seasons do you think he has left in him? and how many at a high level?
Keleen you are avoiding the question that I asked you earlier!
lol That's funny because it's actually Collen.
HOW much better do you think he would have been had he not gotten hurt? How many more seasons do you think he has left in him? and how many at a high level?
Well only the best ever. I'd say 5 years, 4 strong.
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lol That's funny because it's actually Collen.
wow I misspelled it oo well.
you really think 5 years 4 of them strong. I hope he does, and if he does that, I still won't be mad. Why a bird in the hand is better then two in the bush!
I see your alter ego keeps following you around giving you thanks.
(sorry but making a second name to give yourself thanks is lame, and sorry you can deny it but considering that you have 10 thanks and at least 9 of those are from the same person is more then a coincidence)
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lol That's funny because it's actually Collen.
wow I misspelled it oo well.
you really think 5 years 4 of them strong. I hope he does, and if he does that, I still won't be mad. Why a bird in the hand is better then two in the bush!
I see your alter ego keeps following you around giving you thanks.
(sorry but making a second name to give yourself thanks is lame, and sorry you can deny it but considering that you have 10 thanks and at least 9 of those are from the same person is more then a coincidence)
you really think 5 years 4 of them strong. I hope he does, and if he does that, I still won't be mad. Why a bird in the hand is better then two in the bush!
It could be argued Kellen was the bird in the hand, and the 2009 2nd and 2010 5th are the two in the bush!!
I see your alter ego keeps following you around giving you thanks.
I saw that too, sorry--not me.
Guess they like the entertainment you guys provide. 
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