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  • couch was a good QB with no protection. it made no sense to draft a franchise kid and throw him in like palmer and crew did. at least if we draft one now and decide to do so the OL is 100x better than that mess the browns fielded then.

    it's all about timing with drafting personnel. you have to have the building blocks in place first then add to them. that's why i could see drafting a young QB now. if it's a total scrap and crap then they should start by having people in line to replace those building blocks.

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  • mohicanM mohican

    Zombo said:

    Just curious, how much weed does one have to smoke to arrive at the conclusion that what this team really needs to do is draft a RB at #2?

    We have not taken a QB higher than #22 in 17 years, but apparently the solution to that is take a RB in the Top 3 for the second time in five years. Cause he can block for the free QB we just picked up off the street.

    Zombo

    Touchdown Timmy Couch was taken #1-1 in 1999, but yeah.

    Just for arguments sake, let's say that some don't think of Goff or Wentz as worthy of that high a pick, and Ramsey is seen as the next Ed Reed or Troy Polamolou (sp) and could be a 8-10 year fixture in the defensive backfield, plus being touted as being able to play corner or safety - do you take that? And perhaps get the kid Ghoolie likes later, or a different qb?

    @mohican said:

    Touchdown Timmy Couch was taken #1-1 in 1999, but yeah.

    Just for arguments sake, let's say that some don't think of Goff or Wentz as worthy of that high a pick, and Ramsey is seen as the next Ed Reed or Troy Polamolou (sp) and could be a 8-10 year fixture in the defensive backfield, plus being touted as being able to play corner or safety - do you take that? And perhaps get the kid Ghoolie likes later, or a different qb?

    Jesus it's baffling that was 17 years ago.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @clevfan4life said:

    I LOVE zeke but no, not at 2. He has no line infront of him.

    More reason to take him so he can pick up the DT who just ran over Cam... 😉

    #8 is a more reasonable place to consider Zeke, but I don't like the idea of taking a franchise RB early in a rebuild process. Three-years are not guaranteed, let alone ten, as was suggested by the OP.

    There will be an impact Defensive player there at #8. Buckner is the one I'd look for...

    @tour2ma said:

    More reason to take him so he can pick up the DT who just ran over Cam... 😉

    #8 is a more reasonable place to consider Zeke, but I don't like the idea of taking a franchise RB early in a rebuild process. Three-years are not guaranteed, let alone ten, as was suggested by the OP.

    There will be an impact Defensive player there at #8. Buckner is the one I'd look for...

    Hopefully he has a child to beat so he can be suspended for a season or so thereby lengthening his productivity in the NFL ala AP.

    🙂

    (sorry was that in bad taste?)

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  • I'm a Michigan fan

    Zeke is a beast

    Picking a HB that high is stupid

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    couch was a good QB with no protection. it made no sense to draft a franchise kid and throw him in like palmer and crew did. at least if we draft one now and decide to do so the OL is 100x better than that mess the browns fielded then.

    it's all about timing with drafting personnel. you have to have the building blocks in place first then add to them. that's why i could see drafting a young QB now. if it's a total scrap and crap then they should start by having people in line to replace those building blocks.

    @miktoxic said:

    couch was a good QB with no protection. it made no sense to draft a franchise kid and throw him in like palmer and crew did. at least if we draft one now and decide to do so the OL is 100x better than that mess the browns fielded then.

    it's all about timing with drafting personnel. you have to have the building blocks in place first then add to them. that's why i could see drafting a young QB now. if it's a total scrap and crap then they should start by having people in line to replace those building blocks.

    Totally agree here.
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  • W Westside Steve

    @tour2ma said:

    More reason to take him so he can pick up the DT who just ran over Cam... 😉

    #8 is a more reasonable place to consider Zeke, but I don't like the idea of taking a franchise RB early in a rebuild process. Three-years are not guaranteed, let alone ten, as was suggested by the OP.

    There will be an impact Defensive player there at #8. Buckner is the one I'd look for...

    Hopefully he has a child to beat so he can be suspended for a season or so thereby lengthening his productivity in the NFL ala AP.

    🙂

    (sorry was that in bad taste?)

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    (sorry was that in bad taste?)

    For you?

    Coin flip... 😉

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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    I'm a Michigan fan

    Zeke is a beast

    Picking a HB that high is stupid

    @mld-woody said:

    I'm a Michigan fan

    Zeke is a beast

    Picking a HB that high is stupid

    Mel Kiper still says that he would not draft a RB until the 2d round at earliest.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mld-woody said:

    I'm a Michigan fan

    Zeke is a beast

    Picking a HB that high is stupid

    Mel Kiper still says that he would not draft a RB until the 2d round at earliest.

    @the-gipper said:

    Mel Kiper still says that he would not draft a RB until the 2d round at earliest. 😕 😕 😕

    fixed it for you.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @the-gipper said:

    Mel Kiper still says that he would not draft a RB until the 2d round at earliest. 😕 😕 😕

    fixed it for you.

    @miktoxic said:

    fixed it for you.

    Except I wasn't be sarcastic at all......that is what he says.

    And Kiper is no worse or better than any other the other draft prognosticators out there.

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  • While I'd be personally against trading up, there are rumors that Dallas is interested. I think Philly ultimately will be the trading partner if there is one, but my question for you guys is if you don't take a QB and stay at #2, then who's the pick? Tunsil, Ramsey, Zeke, Bosa?

  • D dallasfan

    While I'd be personally against trading up, there are rumors that Dallas is interested. I think Philly ultimately will be the trading partner if there is one, but my question for you guys is if you don't take a QB and stay at #2, then who's the pick? Tunsil, Ramsey, Zeke, Bosa?

    @dallasfan said:

    While I'd be personally against trading up, there are rumors that Dallas is interested. I think Philly ultimately will be the trading partner if there is one, but my question for you guys is if you don't take a QB and stay at #2, then who's the pick? Tunsil, Ramsey, Zeke, Bosa?

    Opinions vary with Tunsil getting the least support and Bosa probably the most of the four you list, but there are more... Jack and Buckner also get mentions.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dallasfan said:

    While I'd be personally against trading up, there are rumors that Dallas is interested. I think Philly ultimately will be the trading partner if there is one, but my question for you guys is if you don't take a QB and stay at #2, then who's the pick? Tunsil, Ramsey, Zeke, Bosa?

    Opinions vary with Tunsil getting the least support and Bosa probably the most of the four you list, but there are more... Jack and Buckner also get mentions.

    @tour2ma said:

    Opinions vary with Tunsil getting the least support and Bosa probably the most of the four you list, but there are more... Jack and Buckner also get mentions.

    lol at this point, it does not matter 🙂

  • D dallasfan

    @tour2ma said:

    Opinions vary with Tunsil getting the least support and Bosa probably the most of the four you list, but there are more... Jack and Buckner also get mentions.

    lol at this point, it does not matter 🙂

    @dallasfan said:

    lol at this point, it does not matter 🙂

    Yup... the world changed again today.

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  • Good move by you guys. Kinda bummed that the Eagles will get Wentz or Goff, but at least you guys made them pay.

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  • I don't see Zeke being available at #8, and even if he somehow is, I think another team will trade up with the Browns to snag him. We'll get more picks, and Zeke will go somewhere else. I read that Miami really, really wants him.

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  • D dallasfan

    Good move by you guys. Kinda bummed that the Eagles will get Wentz or Goff, but at least you guys made them pay.

    @dallasfan said:

    Good move by you guys. Kinda bummed that the Eagles will get Wentz or Goff, but at least you guys made them pay.

    Heard a breakdown yesterday where if the Eagles hit with their selected QB, then in two to three years they will be positioned to dominate the division for a period. Came to this conclusion after they analyzed the division's QB ages, the next three drafts, and next three FA QB circumstances.

    So where are the 'Boys leaning? Elliot at RB? Bosa at DE? Other?

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  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    I don't see Zeke being available at #8, and even if he somehow is, I think another team will trade up with the Browns to snag him. We'll get more picks, and Zeke will go somewhere else. I read that Miami really, really wants him.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I read that Miami really, really wants him.

    As frustrated as Miami is after their RB FA pursuit, they should be ripe for plucking. And 13 is not that much further down...

    They are acting like they have one of those "windows of opportunity that's closing". Personally I do not see it, but as long as they do...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dallasfan said:

    Good move by you guys. Kinda bummed that the Eagles will get Wentz or Goff, but at least you guys made them pay.

    Heard a breakdown yesterday where if the Eagles hit with their selected QB, then in two to three years they will be positioned to dominate the division for a period. Came to this conclusion after they analyzed the division's QB ages, the next three drafts, and next three FA QB circumstances.

    So where are the 'Boys leaning? Elliot at RB? Bosa at DE? Other?

    @tour2ma said:

    Heard a breakdown yesterday where if the Eagles hit with their selected QB, then in two to three years they will be positioned to dominate the division for a period. Came to this conclusion after they analyzed the division's QB ages, the next three drafts, and next three FA QB circumstances.

    So where are the 'Boys leaning? Elliot at RB? Bosa at DE? Other?

    Well, you have Romo...who I think has about 2 years left in him, if that. You have Eli....who I think will play another 5 years. Then Kirk Cousins who is still young and entrenched in DC. So, yes, the Eagles have a chance to make hay in that division......be it with a healthy productive Bradford, or a with Wentz.....unless he busts.

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  • If Miami wants to give up another pick just to move back to their original #8 spot [1400] from their current #13 [1150], more power to them.

    It should cost their original first plus their second in this year's [#11 in the second round, 470].

    I would only do that on draft day - eg, if Buckner is there, we take Buckner. But if none of Buckner/Bosa/Jack are available, trade down.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dallasfan said:

    Good move by you guys. Kinda bummed that the Eagles will get Wentz or Goff, but at least you guys made them pay.

    Heard a breakdown yesterday where if the Eagles hit with their selected QB, then in two to three years they will be positioned to dominate the division for a period. Came to this conclusion after they analyzed the division's QB ages, the next three drafts, and next three FA QB circumstances.

    So where are the 'Boys leaning? Elliot at RB? Bosa at DE? Other?

    @tour2ma said:

    Heard a breakdown yesterday where if the Eagles hit with their selected QB, then in two to three years they will be positioned to dominate the division for a period. Came to this conclusion after they analyzed the division's QB ages, the next three drafts, and next three FA QB circumstances.

    So where are the 'Boys leaning? Elliot at RB? Bosa at DE? Other?

    Hard to tell to be honest. I would have taken Goff or Wentz, and just let them sit for 2 years, but that isn't happening now and it never seemed that Jerry would have done that. There was some interest in Goff, but that disappeared when the Eagles traded up. Some of the rumors circulating now are the coaching staff likes Elliot and the scouts like Ramsey. Personally, I would not pick a DB (they view Ramsey as a CB) who has 3 ints in like 40+ career games with the 4th pick and I'm not sure if I like Elliot enough to pick him at #4.

    Stephen Jones said DE was our biggest need, and I'd agree, but I heard we're not big on Bosa, and I personally like Buckner more than most, but I think they try and add a DE in round 2.

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