Camp Zeke
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Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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I don't understand the reasoning behind saying taking a running back at 8 is a waste just because its a running back.
Taking guys like Mingo and Gilbert was suppose to be a great move. They both are a complete waste.
To me, drafting "Pass Rushers" that play 1 down a series is a waste. What's a good sack rate in the NFL? 10 a year? So 10 plays a year you record a sack. maybe 20 more you get pressure... 30 snaps a year you make an impact... .And that's worth a top ten pick, but other positions shouldn't even be considered?
Drafting a QB at 1 or 2 from backwater state that nobody heard of before Mel Kiper talks about him in January that played against guys that are working on an oil rig now is smarter than drafting a running back that carried a team to a National Title is a great move... Really? Where is that logic coming from? How? I understand that the QB position is more important, but what makes that guy a smart pick?
Taking a guy at 8 that makes a serious contribution to a team that is talent deficient at any position isn't a waste at any position.
Christ, the Rams took Gurley with a messed up knee at 10 last year. That was a bad move? How? Pretty sure the Browns would send Johnny, Mingo, Gilbert, Danny and Irving over to the Rams for Gurley straight up.
I'm not saying that Zeke will light it up. Not even saying the Browns should draft him if he is there. I just don't understand the "Can't take that guy with our pick, even if he is the best player available because he's a running back and this is the first round.... everybody will laugh at us." thinking.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
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This offense needs a doctor. Josh Doctson at 8 if we can't find another slight trade down offer. Then Karl Joseph at the top of the second round.
Another intriguing combination would be Ramsey at 8 and Doctson at 32.
Or, Ramsey at 8 and Joseph at 32.
I would also like Bosa at 8 and Doctson/Joseph at 32.
If we could find a way to get Bosa/Ramsey Doctson/Joseph Killebrew/Boehringer/ScoobyWright3
Imagine if we had:
WR- Gordon
WR- Doctson
WR- Boehringer
WR- Core/Peake
DB- Haden
DB- Ramsey
SS- Killebrew
FS- Joseph
This offense needs a doctor. Josh Doctson at 8 if we can't find another slight trade down offer. Then Karl Joseph at the top of the second round.
Another intriguing combination would be Ramsey at 8 and Doctson at 32.
Or, Ramsey at 8 and Joseph at 32.
I would also like Bosa at 8 and Doctson/Joseph at 32.
If we could find a way to get Bosa/Ramsey Doctson/Joseph Killebrew/Boehringer/ScoobyWright3
Imagine if we had:
WR- Gordon
WR- Doctson
WR- Boehringer
WR- Core/Peake
DB- Haden
DB- Ramsey
SS- Killebrew
FS- Joseph
Instead of engaging in this wild kind of speculation, I think I will wait to see who we do have...then assess things then.
You have 6 of our 12 picks going to WRs and DBs. I don't think that will happen.
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I don't understand the reasoning behind saying taking a running back at 8 is a waste just because its a running back.
Taking guys like Mingo and Gilbert was suppose to be a great move. They both are a complete waste.
To me, drafting "Pass Rushers" that play 1 down a series is a waste. What's a good sack rate in the NFL? 10 a year? So 10 plays a year you record a sack. maybe 20 more you get pressure... 30 snaps a year you make an impact... .And that's worth a top ten pick, but other positions shouldn't even be considered?
Drafting a QB at 1 or 2 from backwater state that nobody heard of before Mel Kiper talks about him in January that played against guys that are working on an oil rig now is smarter than drafting a running back that carried a team to a National Title is a great move... Really? Where is that logic coming from? How? I understand that the QB position is more important, but what makes that guy a smart pick?
Taking a guy at 8 that makes a serious contribution to a team that is talent deficient at any position isn't a waste at any position.
Christ, the Rams took Gurley with a messed up knee at 10 last year. That was a bad move? How? Pretty sure the Browns would send Johnny, Mingo, Gilbert, Danny and Irving over to the Rams for Gurley straight up.
I'm not saying that Zeke will light it up. Not even saying the Browns should draft him if he is there. I just don't understand the "Can't take that guy with our pick, even if he is the best player available because he's a running back and this is the first round.... everybody will laugh at us." thinking.
I don't understand the reasoning behind saying taking a running back at 8 is a waste just because its a running back.
Taking guys like Mingo and Gilbert was suppose to be a great move. They both are a complete waste.
To me, drafting "Pass Rushers" that play 1 down a series is a waste. What's a good sack rate in the NFL? 10 a year? So 10 plays a year you record a sack. maybe 20 more you get pressure... 30 snaps a year you make an impact... .And that's worth a top ten pick, but other positions shouldn't even be considered?
Drafting a QB at 1 or 2 from backwater state that nobody heard of before Mel Kiper talks about him in January that played against guys that are working on an oil rig now is smarter than drafting a running back that carried a team to a National Title is a great move... Really? Where is that logic coming from? How? I understand that the QB position is more important, but what makes that guy a smart pick?
Taking a guy at 8 that makes a serious contribution to a team that is talent deficient at any position isn't a waste at any position.
Christ, the Rams took Gurley with a messed up knee at 10 last year. That was a bad move? How? Pretty sure the Browns would send Johnny, Mingo, Gilbert, Danny and Irving over to the Rams for Gurley straight up.
I'm not saying that Zeke will light it up. Not even saying the Browns should draft him if he is there. I just don't understand the "Can't take that guy with our pick, even if he is the best player available because he's a running back and this is the first round.... everybody will laugh at us." thinking.
Fair arguments all around.
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He'd be a steal at 8
So you haven't watched him then...? Duly noted.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
A bird in hand is worth two Fornettes in the bush, though I agree he is a great back.
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A bird in hand is worth two Fornettes in the bush, though I agree he is a great back.
Point is not that we should wait for Fournette, but that calling Elliott a generational talent is a bit off.
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A bird in hand is worth two Fornettes in the bush, though I agree he is a great back.
Point is not that we should wait for Fournette, but that calling Elliott a generational talent is a bit off.
Point is not that we should wait for Fournette, but that calling Elliott a generational talent is a bit off.
In the 70s and 80s a "generational" talent at RB was coming out just about every year:
1975 Walter Payton
1977 Tony Dorsett
1978 Earl Campbell
1980 Billy Sims
1982 Marcus Allen
1983 Eric Dickerson
1986 Bo Jackson
1989 Barry Sanders
1990 Emmit Smith
and somewhere in there Herschel Walker went to the USFL
Now, this may not be the "Golden Age" of Running backs like that was....but that does not mean that great ones don't or can't come along fairly regularly.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
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Except I wasn't be sarcastic at all......that is what he says.
And Kiper is no worse or better than any other the other draft prognosticators out there.
Gip, compared to the other "experts" Mel rhymes with "smell" as in bad. I always get a chuckle when I remember the Mel-ism- "MUUUUUUSSSSTTT draft Hart Lee Dykes" Drafted #16 by the Patriots, lasted 2 years. Shades of Greg Little.
This offense needs a doctor. Josh Doctson at 8 if we can't find another slight trade down offer. Then Karl Joseph at the top of the second round.
Another intriguing combination would be Ramsey at 8 and Doctson at 32.
You imagine too much PG. Docktson isn't going that high. Thursday can't get here fast enough.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
I saw Gurley play live this past year when the Browns played the Rams. MHO is Elliott is every bit as good as Gurley, and is a far more complete back. I was screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to drafting Richardson, I don't feel that way at all about Zeke.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
I think he is, and I love both those guys. PFF is adamant he's the best talent since Peterson.
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I think he is, and I love both those guys. PFF is adamant he's the best talent since Peterson.
If he is the in the same wheelhouse as Peterson, you take him at 8.
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Except I wasn't be sarcastic at all......that is what he says.
And Kiper is no worse or better than any other the other draft prognosticators out there.
Gip, compared to the other "experts" Mel rhymes with "smell" as in bad. I always get a chuckle when I remember the Mel-ism- "MUUUUUUSSSSTTT draft Hart Lee Dykes" Drafted #16 by the Patriots, lasted 2 years. Shades of Greg Little.
This offense needs a doctor. Josh Doctson at 8 if we can't find another slight trade down offer. Then Karl Joseph at the top of the second round.
Another intriguing combination would be Ramsey at 8 and Doctson at 32.
You imagine too much PG. Docktson isn't going that high. Thursday can't get here fast enough.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
I saw Gurley play live this past year when the Browns played the Rams. MHO is Elliott is every bit as good as Gurley, and is a far more complete back. I was screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to drafting Richardson, I don't feel that way at all about Zeke.
Gip, compared to the other "experts" Mel rhymes with "smell" as in bad. I always get a chuckle when I remember the Mel-ism- "MUUUUUUSSSSTTT draft Hart Lee Dykes" Drafted #16 by the Patriots, lasted 2 years. Shades of Greg Little.
Well, my point is that Mel Kiper is just as good or better than anyone else doing draft prognostications. They are all about half right, half wrong on first rounders.
You imagine too much PG. Docktson isn't going that high. Thursday can't get here fast enough.
I saw Gurley play live this past year when the Browns played the Rams. MHO is Elliott is every bit as good as Gurley, and is a far more complete back. I was screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to drafting Richardson, I don't feel that way at all about Zeke.
For ONE play, we thought we had something with TR. (not the TR in my avatar)
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If we could drop down just a couple more spots, I wouldn't mind Zeke at all. Especially for a team that is going to have to rely so much on the running game and PAP.
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Still think the Boys take him at 4th overall. Wouldnt hate the pick either way. All I care about is getting some actual playmakers and putting up some points.
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Still think the Boys take him at 4th overall. Wouldnt hate the pick either way. All I care about is getting some actual playmakers and putting up some points.
Still think the Boys take him at 4th overall. Wouldnt hate the pick either way. All I care about is getting some actual playmakers and putting up some points.
Cowboys will take one of the Ohio State players, that is my prediction. It could be Zeke, but perhaps more likely Bosa.
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If we could drop down just a couple more spots, I wouldn't mind Zeke at all. Especially for a team that is going to have to rely so much on the running game and PAP.
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I think he is, and I love both those guys. PFF is adamant he's the best talent since Peterson.
I've said a bunch of times- my Ohio State fandom goes all the way back to Woody Hayes and the days of John Brockington. MHO is Zeke is the best running back to come out of Columbus since Eddie George.
If he is the in the same wheelhouse as Peterson, you take him at 8.
^ This.
If we could drop down just a couple more spots, I wouldn't mind Zeke at all. Especially for a team that is going to have to rely so much on the running game and PAP.
If you think you can get 7 years worth of 1,000 yard seasons (and one near miss at 939) like EG, you don't get cute- you just take him @ #8. Cripe, we got 12 picks as it is. We'll have at least 12 next year, including two firsts. Unless someone offers up something stupid- why trade down? Miami's second round pick doesn't do it for me.
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