Coleman to wear #19
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I still prefer that WRs wear numbers in the 80s.
If #19 was good enough for Alworth...
I still prefer that WRs wear numbers in the 80s.
... and somewhere Paul Warfield is weeping...
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If #19 was good enough for Alworth...
I still prefer that WRs wear numbers in the 80s.
... and somewhere Paul Warfield is weeping...
If #19 was good enough for Alworth...
... and somewhere Paul Warfield is weeping...
He wore #42....but the thing is.....the Browns actually classified Warfield as like a "flanker'. And 1964 was before the NFL adopted number by position requirements. From like 1970 to just a few years ago WRs had to wear numbers in the 80s.
See this: (sorry, this is how it came out)
But the NFL's system, which is more stringent than the one used by the NCAA and high schools, takes things a few steps further. Here's how the league breaks it down:
• Quarterbacks, punters, and kickers: 1-19
• Running backs: 20-49
• Wide receivers: 10-19 and 80-89
• Tight ends: 10-19 and 80-89 (or 40-49 if those ranges are taken)
• Centers: 50-59 (or 60-79 if that range is taken)
• Offensive linemen: 60-79
• Defensive linemen: 60-79 and 90-99
• Linebackers: 50-59 and 90-99
• Defensive backs: 20-49
This system has been in effect since 1973, with only one change: Prior to 2004, wide receivers and tight ends were restricted to 80-89. There were occasional exceptions, like Keyshawn Johnson(who wore 19 during his first Jets training camp because 80 through 89 were taken, and then kept wearing it when the season started, even though a number in the 80s had opened up) and Kelley Campbell (another case of 80-89 being taken, in part because the Vikings had retired Cris Carter's and Alan Page's numbers).
Beginning in 2004, receivers were allowed to wear 10 through 19 (regardless of number crunches in the 80-89 range), and the first three wideouts chosen in the 2004 draft all took advantage by wearing No. 11: Reggie Williams, Roy Williams, and Larry Fitzgerald. In addition, several veteran receivers have switched to the teens upon changing teams, including Randy Moss (who went from 84 to 18) and Plaxico Burress (80 to 17, which he bought from Jeff Feagles). Even Jerry Rice, who was so attached to No. 80 that he convinced Steve Largent to let the Seahawks unretire his number during Rice's brief stint in Seattle; he tried out a teen number during the 2005 preseason before finally retiring.
This has led many Uni Watch readers to carp about how today's receivers "don't look right," or words to that effect. But there's nothing newfangled about wideouts wearing numbers in the teens; in fact, it's totally old-school and used to be routine prior to 1973. Uni Watch likes that look and sees nothing wrong with going back to it.
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Point was Warfield's number was not in the 80's...
And I believe Gary Collins was the flankerback.
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Point was Warfield's number was not in the 80's...
And I believe Gary Collins was the flankerback.
Point was Warfield's number was not in the 80's...
And I believe Gary Collins was the flankerback.
Warfield wore 42. Again, that was before the 1973 numbers mandate. In the 1964 roster both Warfield and Collins were listed as "Flankers". In fact there was no such thing as a "Wide Receiver" listed.
No. Name Pos. Ht. Wt.
11 Jim Ninowski QB 6-1 207
13 Frank Ryan QB 6-3 200
20 Ross Fichtner DB 6-0 185
22 Loweli Caylor DB 6-3 205
23 Larry Benz DB 5-11 185
24 Bob Franklin DB 5-11 182
27 Walter Roberts FL 5-10 175
30 Bernie Parrish DB 5-11 195
32 Jim Brown FB 6-2 228
35 Galen Fiss LB 6-0 227
36 Charley Scales FB 5-11 215
38 Stan Sczurek LB 5-11 230
42 Paul Warfield FL 6-0 188
44 Leroy Kelly HB 6-0 195
48 Ernie Green HB 6-2 205
49 Walter Beach DB 6-0 185
50 Vince Costello LB 6-0 228
52 Mike Lucci LB 6-2 223
56 John Morrow C 6-3 248
60 John Wooten G 6-3 250
62 Dale Memmelaar G 6-2 248
64 Ed Bettridge LB 6-1 235
66 Gene Hickerson G 6-3 248
67 Sidney Williams DE 6-2 235
69 Jim Kanicki DT 6-4 270
70 John Brown T 6-2 248
72 Mike Bundra DT 6-4 260
73 Monte Clark T/C 6-6 265
74 Dick Modzelewski DT 6-0 260
75 Roger Shoals T-G 6-4 255
76 Lou Groza K 6-3 250
77 Dick Schafrath T 6-3 255
78 Frank Parker DT 6-5 255
80 Bill Glass DE 6-5 255
82 Jim Houston LB 6-3 240
83 Johnny Brewer E 6-4 235
84 Paul Wiggin DE 6-3 245
85 Clifton McNeil FL 6-2 185
86 Gary Collins FL 6-4 208
87 Tom Hutchinson E 6-1 190
Source: 1964 Cleveland Browns game program
All the WRs were FL's (Flankers) The TEs were just Es (Ends) There is no RB. You were either a FB (Fullback) or HB(Halfback).
Is it fair to say that the terms Flanker and Halfback are really no longer used? Here they do not distinguish between an OLB or MLB, it is just LB. Nor between a Safety or a Corner...it is just DB
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Point was Warfield's number was not in the 80's...
And I believe Gary Collins was the flankerback.
Warfield wore 42. Again, that was before the 1973 numbers mandate. In the 1964 roster both Warfield and Collins were listed as "Flankers". In fact there was no such thing as a "Wide Receiver" listed.
No. Name Pos. Ht. Wt.
11 Jim Ninowski QB 6-1 207
13 Frank Ryan QB 6-3 200
20 Ross Fichtner DB 6-0 185
22 Loweli Caylor DB 6-3 205
23 Larry Benz DB 5-11 185
24 Bob Franklin DB 5-11 182
27 Walter Roberts FL 5-10 175
30 Bernie Parrish DB 5-11 195
32 Jim Brown FB 6-2 228
35 Galen Fiss LB 6-0 227
36 Charley Scales FB 5-11 215
38 Stan Sczurek LB 5-11 230
42 Paul Warfield FL 6-0 188
44 Leroy Kelly HB 6-0 195
48 Ernie Green HB 6-2 205
49 Walter Beach DB 6-0 185
50 Vince Costello LB 6-0 228
52 Mike Lucci LB 6-2 223
56 John Morrow C 6-3 248
60 John Wooten G 6-3 250
62 Dale Memmelaar G 6-2 248
64 Ed Bettridge LB 6-1 235
66 Gene Hickerson G 6-3 248
67 Sidney Williams DE 6-2 235
69 Jim Kanicki DT 6-4 270
70 John Brown T 6-2 248
72 Mike Bundra DT 6-4 260
73 Monte Clark T/C 6-6 265
74 Dick Modzelewski DT 6-0 260
75 Roger Shoals T-G 6-4 255
76 Lou Groza K 6-3 250
77 Dick Schafrath T 6-3 255
78 Frank Parker DT 6-5 255
80 Bill Glass DE 6-5 255
82 Jim Houston LB 6-3 240
83 Johnny Brewer E 6-4 235
84 Paul Wiggin DE 6-3 245
85 Clifton McNeil FL 6-2 185
86 Gary Collins FL 6-4 208
87 Tom Hutchinson E 6-1 190
Source: 1964 Cleveland Browns game program
All the WRs were FL's (Flankers) The TEs were just Es (Ends) There is no RB. You were either a FB (Fullback) or HB(Halfback).
Is it fair to say that the terms Flanker and Halfback are really no longer used? Here they do not distinguish between an OLB or MLB, it is just LB. Nor between a Safety or a Corner...it is just DB
In fact there was no such thing as a "Wide Receiver" listed.
They were called "End" in that day and age... sometimes "Offensive End"...
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I still prefer that WRs wear numbers in the 80s.
I still prefer that WRs wear numbers in the 80s.
I agree..
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Holy shit, they were called offensive ends. I just had a flash back.
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Holy shit, they were called offensive ends. I just had a flash back.
Holy shit, they were called offensive ends. I just had a flash back.
... and "flanker" was the shortened version of flankerback...
Keep on flashing...
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Holy shit, they were called offensive ends. I just had a flash back.
... and "flanker" was the shortened version of flankerback...
Keep on flashing...
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Holy shit, they were called offensive ends. I just had a flash back.
... and "flanker" was the shortened version of flankerback...
Keep on flashing...
... and "flanker" was the shortened version of flankerback...
Keep on flashing...
Split ends?
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The Browns used to have a great "halfback" in Bobby Mitchell, traded to the Redskins where he became a HOF "flanker"/WR.
At the same time, our "fullback" (before they became primarily blockers) was the great Jim Brown. We all know he's in the Hall.
You can name all the other backfields, but watch some film...I have NEVER seen 2 more exciting backs in one backfield. Plum would throw a "flare pass" to either one & the race was on!
Great memories.
Mike
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But Ernie Green was a better blocker... as a halfback.
Split ends?
Nope... use conditioner...
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VesnaKociper said:
Is Coleman a drunk?
Hey, all kidding aside, 19 is a cool number for a Quarterback. Some great ones wore it. Y.A. Tittie, Frank Tarkington, and I believe Joe Heisman.
I know for sure Walter Ostenak wore #19.
Johnny Unitas wore #19...undoubtedly the best to wear that number. Other HOF to wear 19: Lance Alworth.
Theisman wore #7 with the Redskins. Y.A. Tittle wore #14 with the Giants. Tarkenton wore #10.
Just FYI.
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VesnaKociper said:
Is Coleman a drunk?
Hey, all kidding aside, 19 is a cool number for a Quarterback. Some great ones wore it. Y.A. Tittie, Frank Tarkington, and I believe Joe Heisman.
I know for sure Walter Ostenak wore #19.
Walter Ostanek Lol?
Must be a player in the Canadian league lol.
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VesnaKociper said:
Is Coleman a drunk?
Hey, all kidding aside, 19 is a cool number for a Quarterback. Some great ones wore it. Y.A. Tittie, Frank Tarkington, and I believe Joe Heisman.
I know for sure Walter Ostenak wore #19.
Walter Ostanek Lol?
Must be a player in the Canadian league lol.
Shut the fuck up Louis Lipps.Walter Ostanek Lol?Must be a player in the Canadian league lol.
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