Thoughts on the defensive front from tonights game and holy shit Nassib looks legit..
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Former #8 and #6 players overall could be cut though.
they played out their string though. A good GM with a clue would've already cut bait with those two. I'm guessin that is what we see in the final cuts.
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I wonder what the draft pick #would be if calculated by some numbers guy....... Like 12 picks in a year / how many years, what would be the common denominator or whatever it'd be called that #28th pick is the browns?
I mean is there really value in trading down and drafting 2nd and 3rd stringers to be sideline cannon fodder vs. keeping the pick and drafting in the top 5 which we could have done for the past gazzillion years?
Yes.
For a team like the Browns have been, the value is there........if you don't cut the cannon fodder after two years and get a new guy to install new cannon fodder.
Two years ago, the Browns were a team of third stringers with one or two mid level talent players and two or three backup level players.
Now, this is a team of backups with one or two star potential players and two or three mid-level talent players.
Add a couple high draft picks next year and one or two FA acquisitions and now it's a team of mid level starters with maybe one elite level player, and two or three stars.
For the love of God...just don't hit the reset button again.
Two years ago, the Browns were a team of third stringers with one or two mid level talent players and two or three backup level players.
Now, this is a team of backups with one or two star potential players and two or three mid-level talent players.
revisionist history.... as the same could be said 4, 6 and 10 years ago etc.
don't act like there is anything new going on except the faces making the decisions.
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Two years ago, the Browns were a team of third stringers with one or two mid level talent players and two or three backup level players.
Now, this is a team of backups with one or two star potential players and two or three mid-level talent players.
revisionist history.... as the same could be said 4, 6 and 10 years ago etc.
don't act like there is anything new going on except the faces making the decisions.
revisionist history.... as the same could be said 4, 6 and 10 years ago etc.
don't act like there is anything new going on except the faces making the decisions.
We had a 26 year old dual threat, #2 overall, Heisman trophy winning, former NFL OROY as our QB? We had a young, 6'3" former Pro Bowl recover who led the NFL in yards? We had another young, 6'5" receiver with 4.3 speed?
We had a widely respected NFL coordinator with a non-losing NFL HC record as our HC?
Forgive me, I don't really remember us having that all together in one year.
If you think this group doesn't inspire more confidence than the likes of Brandon Weeden or Mohamed Massaquoi, then I don't know what to tell you.
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The way Nassib runs after the QB, he reminds me of Bobby Bouchet.
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Former #8 and #6 players overall could be cut though.
they played out their string though. A good GM with a clue would've already cut bait with those two. I'm guessin that is what we see in the final cuts.
they played out their string though. A good GM with a clue would've already cut bait with those two. I'm guessin that is what we see in the final cuts.
Problem with cutting first round picks before their rookie contracts are up means a relatively big cap hit. Mingo's hit is $5 million, Gilbert's hit is $3 million. For those that want Kruger gone it's $7.7 million. I'd say if he doesn't pick it up Gilbert is gone.
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revisionist history.... as the same could be said 4, 6 and 10 years ago etc.
don't act like there is anything new going on except the faces making the decisions.
We had a 26 year old dual threat, #2 overall, Heisman trophy winning, former NFL OROY as our QB? We had a young, 6'3" former Pro Bowl recover who led the NFL in yards? We had another young, 6'5" receiver with 4.3 speed?
We had a widely respected NFL coordinator with a non-losing NFL HC record as our HC?
Forgive me, I don't really remember us having that all together in one year.
If you think this group doesn't inspire more confidence than the likes of Brandon Weeden or Mohamed Massaquoi, then I don't know what to tell you.
We had a 26 year old dual threat, #2 overall, Heisman trophy winning, former NFL OROY as our QB? We had a young, 6'3" former Pro Bowl recover who led the NFL in yards? We had another young, 6'5" receiver with 4.3 speed?
We had a widely respected NFL coordinator with a non-losing NFL HC record as our HC?
Forgive me, I don't really remember us having that all together in one year.
If you think this group doesn't inspire more confidence than the likes of Brandon Weeden or Mohamed Massaquoi, then I don't know what to tell you.
Uh.....didn't we actually make it to the playoffs in the 90s? Have a RB make the cover of madden? Draft every sure thing since the beginning of time and ur telling me now, NOW things r looking up because we have someone that WAS good, someone that might be good and a new coaching staff and FO that can do the skiddelly scat better than the last?
HA they must see u walking up the street from a mile away, sucker.
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We had a 26 year old dual threat, #2 overall, Heisman trophy winning, former NFL OROY as our QB? We had a young, 6'3" former Pro Bowl recover who led the NFL in yards? We had another young, 6'5" receiver with 4.3 speed?
We had a widely respected NFL coordinator with a non-losing NFL HC record as our HC?
Forgive me, I don't really remember us having that all together in one year.
If you think this group doesn't inspire more confidence than the likes of Brandon Weeden or Mohamed Massaquoi, then I don't know what to tell you.
Uh.....didn't we actually make it to the playoffs in the 90s? Have a RB make the cover of madden? Draft every sure thing since the beginning of time and ur telling me now, NOW things r looking up because we have someone that WAS good, someone that might be good and a new coaching staff and FO that can do the skiddelly scat better than the last?
HA they must see u walking up the street from a mile away, sucker.
Uh.....didn't we actually make it to the playoffs in the 90s? Have a RB make the cover of madden? Draft every sure thing since the beginning of time and ur telling me now, NOW things r looking up because we have someone that WAS good, someone that might be good and a new coaching staff and FO that can do the skiddelly scat better than the last?
HA they must see u walking up the street from a mile away, sucker.
The 90's were neither 4, 6 nor 10 years ago.
What else did we have when Hillis was here? When had every sure thing we've drafted actually performed?
We have a QB and a WR who have PROVEN they can dominate at this level. When have we had that duo since the return?
The closest thing we've had to an NFL QB who proved it on the big stage was when we signed a 50 year old Jake Delhomme.
If you can't see the difference between the two, there's no hope for you. Then again...we already knew that.
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Uh.....didn't we actually make it to the playoffs in the 90s? Have a RB make the cover of madden? Draft every sure thing since the beginning of time and ur telling me now, NOW things r looking up because we have someone that WAS good, someone that might be good and a new coaching staff and FO that can do the skiddelly scat better than the last?
HA they must see u walking up the street from a mile away, sucker.
The 90's were neither 4, 6 nor 10 years ago.
What else did we have when Hillis was here? When had every sure thing we've drafted actually performed?
We have a QB and a WR who have PROVEN they can dominate at this level. When have we had that duo since the return?
The closest thing we've had to an NFL QB who proved it on the big stage was when we signed a 50 year old Jake Delhomme.
If you can't see the difference between the two, there's no hope for you. Then again...we already knew that.
The 90's were neither 4, 6 nor 10 years ago.
What else did we have when Hillis was here? When had every sure thing we've drafted actually performed?
We have a QB and a WR who have PROVEN they can dominate at this level. When have we had that duo since the return?
The closest thing we've had to an NFL QB who proved it on the big stage was when we signed a 50 year old Jake Delhomme.
If you can't see the difference between the two, there's no hope for you. Then again...we already knew that.
there is a difference, but let me know when it equals wins in the win column.
different stars (laughing)
different coaches (some)
different FO
the problem is in drafting. hell we all thought maasaquoi would eventually break through. same with mingo, gilbert and we all know the fiasco that was johnny football.
love people's optimism, but until something actually really changes, put me down as underwhelmed.
oh btw, i find it amazing that the only time you stick your head out of your cave is to either call someone old or to pound on your chest because something you championed looks good for the browns (a rookie DE in preseason). sure nassib looks good. given the rest of the bums playing that position he should be a starter game 2. but let's not forget all the bums you proclaimed great who are either in rehab or cashiering at the sack n suds. manziel wasn't it?
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The 90's were neither 4, 6 nor 10 years ago.
What else did we have when Hillis was here? When had every sure thing we've drafted actually performed?
We have a QB and a WR who have PROVEN they can dominate at this level. When have we had that duo since the return?
The closest thing we've had to an NFL QB who proved it on the big stage was when we signed a 50 year old Jake Delhomme.
If you can't see the difference between the two, there's no hope for you. Then again...we already knew that.
there is a difference, but let me know when it equals wins in the win column.
different stars (laughing)
different coaches (some)
different FO
the problem is in drafting. hell we all thought maasaquoi would eventually break through. same with mingo, gilbert and we all know the fiasco that was johnny football.
love people's optimism, but until something actually really changes, put me down as underwhelmed.
oh btw, i find it amazing that the only time you stick your head out of your cave is to either call someone old or to pound on your chest because something you championed looks good for the browns (a rookie DE in preseason). sure nassib looks good. given the rest of the bums playing that position he should be a starter game 2. but let's not forget all the bums you proclaimed great who are either in rehab or cashiering at the sack n suds. manziel wasn't it?
there is a difference, but let me know when it equals wins in the win column.
different stars (laughing)
different coaches (some)
different FO
the problem is in drafting. hell we all thought maasaquoi would eventually break through. same with mingo, gilbert and we all know the fiasco that was johnny football.
love people's optimism, but until something actually really changes, put me down as underwhelmed.
oh btw, i find it amazing that the only time you stick your head out of your cave is to either call someone old or to pound on your chest because something you championed looks good for the browns (a rookie DE in preseason). sure nassib looks good. given the rest of the bums playing that position he should be a starter game 2. but let's not forget all the bums you proclaimed great who are either in rehab or cashiering at the sack n suds. manziel wasn't it?
Something has changed ... The Cavs, the Indians ... Maybe Hue is the change the Browns need.
Two guys we have drafted look like the real deal for a change Coleman and Nassib ... That's a start. And I am only going by practice accounts on Coleman but everyone who has seen him live says he's electric. Refreshing change.
I'm going with the optimists this year. Nothing better in sports than being young and promising ... We could be that for a change.
Z
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well i'm glad at least 2 out of the 14 picks show something in practice and preseason. lol.
hey if the browns double it and 4 players turn out to be on the squad in 3 years that's a whopping 29% return on their 2016 investment!!!
WHOOPPEE!! breaking all kinds of records!
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well i'm glad at least 2 out of the 14 picks show something in practice and preseason. lol.
hey if the browns double it and 4 players turn out to be on the squad in 3 years that's a whopping 29% return on their 2016 investment!!!
WHOOPPEE!! breaking all kinds of records!
well i'm glad at least 2 out of the 14 picks show something in practice and preseason. lol.
hey if the browns double it and 4 players turn out to be on the squad in 3 years that's a whopping 29% return on their 2016 investment!!!
WHOOPPEE!! breaking all kinds of records!
Well, I'm not saying all the rest are busts, Dickbreath, I'm just saying it's nice to have some rookies with a "buzz" for a change ... Other than Thomas and Haden we haven't too many "we nailed one" camps ... Let alone two or more.
Join the fun. We can draft now and we have a real coach.
Z
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there is a difference, but let me know when it equals wins in the win column.
different stars (laughing)
different coaches (some)
different FO
the problem is in drafting. hell we all thought maasaquoi would eventually break through. same with mingo, gilbert and we all know the fiasco that was johnny football.
love people's optimism, but until something actually really changes, put me down as underwhelmed.
oh btw, i find it amazing that the only time you stick your head out of your cave is to either call someone old or to pound on your chest because something you championed looks good for the browns (a rookie DE in preseason). sure nassib looks good. given the rest of the bums playing that position he should be a starter game 2. but let's not forget all the bums you proclaimed great who are either in rehab or cashiering at the sack n suds. manziel wasn't it?
Something has changed ... The Cavs, the Indians ... Maybe Hue is the change the Browns need.
Two guys we have drafted look like the real deal for a change Coleman and Nassib ... That's a start. And I am only going by practice accounts on Coleman but everyone who has seen him live says he's electric. Refreshing change.
I'm going with the optimists this year. Nothing better in sports than being young and promising ... We could be that for a change.
Z
Zombo said:
Something has changed ... The Cavs, the Indians ... Maybe Hue is the change the Browns need.
Two guys we have drafted look like the real deal for a change Coleman and Nassib ... That's a start. And I am only going by practice accounts on Coleman but everyone who has seen him live says he's electric. Refreshing change.
I'm going with the optimists this year. Nothing better in sports than being young and promising ... We could be that for a change.
Z
Practice? Did you say practice Z? Let me remind you of that Training Camp sensation we had a few years back -Ben Gay. Until I see Coleman on the field tearing it up in a couple of games that actually count- I'll reserve judgement. How the Cavs and Indians did\ are doing has zero relationship to how well- or poorly the Browns may or may not do.
Zombo said:
Well, I'm not saying all the rest are busts, Dickbreath, I'm just saying it's nice to have some rookies with a "buzz" for a change ... Other than Thomas and Haden we haven't too many "we nailed one" camps ... Let alone two or more.
Join the fun. We can draft now and we have a real coach.
Z
Maybe we can draft, and maybe Hue is a real coach. Ghoolie doesn't think so.
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Zombo said:
Something has changed ... The Cavs, the Indians ... Maybe Hue is the change the Browns need.
Two guys we have drafted look like the real deal for a change Coleman and Nassib ... That's a start. And I am only going by practice accounts on Coleman but everyone who has seen him live says he's electric. Refreshing change.
I'm going with the optimists this year. Nothing better in sports than being young and promising ... We could be that for a change.
Z
Practice? Did you say practice Z? Let me remind you of that Training Camp sensation we had a few years back -Ben Gay. Until I see Coleman on the field tearing it up in a couple of games that actually count- I'll reserve judgement. How the Cavs and Indians did\ are doing has zero relationship to how well- or poorly the Browns may or may not do.
Zombo said:
Well, I'm not saying all the rest are busts, Dickbreath, I'm just saying it's nice to have some rookies with a "buzz" for a change ... Other than Thomas and Haden we haven't too many "we nailed one" camps ... Let alone two or more.
Join the fun. We can draft now and we have a real coach.
Z
Maybe we can draft, and maybe Hue is a real coach. Ghoolie doesn't think so.
Practice? Did you say practice Z? Let me remind you of that Training Camp sensation we had a few years back -Ben Gay. Until I see Coleman on the field tearing it up in a couple of games that actually count- I'll reserve judgement. How the Cavs and Indians did\ are doing has zero relationship to how well- or poorly the Browns may or may not do.
Maybe we can draft, and maybe Hue is a real coach. Ghoolie doesn't think so.
Fuck Ghoolie, Fuck you (with all due respect) and fuck Mix ... We are nailing the young guys, we nailed the coach, and pretty sure we nailed the QB. People jumped all over Johnny (hated him)but they're not jumping on this?
Sorry ... This feels real, don't be late to the party.
Z
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Practice? Did you say practice Z? Let me remind you of that Training Camp sensation we had a few years back -Ben Gay. Until I see Coleman on the field tearing it up in a couple of games that actually count- I'll reserve judgement. How the Cavs and Indians did\ are doing has zero relationship to how well- or poorly the Browns may or may not do.
Maybe we can draft, and maybe Hue is a real coach. Ghoolie doesn't think so.
Fuck Ghoolie, Fuck you (with all due respect) and fuck Mix ... We are nailing the young guys, we nailed the coach, and pretty sure we nailed the QB. People jumped all over Johnny (hated him)but they're not jumping on this?
Sorry ... This feels real, don't be late to the party.
Z
Zombo said:
We are nailing the young guys, we nailed the coach, and pretty sure we nailed the QB.
don't be late to the party.
Z
uh, what kind of party? a sausage party?
let me guess: you had a party with cake and cock.... and you're all out of cake.
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Zombo said:
We are nailing the young guys, we nailed the coach, and pretty sure we nailed the QB.
don't be late to the party.
Z
uh, what kind of party? a sausage party?
let me guess: you had a party with cake and cock.... and you're all out of cake.
uh, what kind of party? a sausage party?
let me guess: you had a party with cake and cock.... and you're all out of cake.
It's cute to be the sarcastic hater of a team that always disappoints. But Ghoolie doesn't need a lapdog, you used to have real opinions, let's hear them...
Our draft:
Hue Jackson;
Rg3:
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sure.
our draft: as usual traded away a chance at a top 3 talent, prob a franchise QB of the future. great we have 14 picks like last years 12 which did absolutely friggin nothing but garnish more mid-level talent except maybe a couple of DL who still haven't pushed their way into top tier.
hue jackson: great. an 8-8 HC. a QB guru OC who was on a team that never won a playoff game.
RG3: like him. don't like his chances of staying healthy.
biggest gripe is with the lack of star power. yeah haden and thomas.......my 2 faves. both are on the back end of their careers. so we have rg3 and a couple of rookies? all this for 26 picks in the last 2 years? in your QB thread cal suggests next year trading away one of our picks for jimmy garropolo......REALLY? why the fuck didn't we just draft him when we had the chance if he was your guy? that is backward thinking dude. you got the pick use it. trade down. trade down. there is next year to worry about. yeah? well what about this fucking year?
and btw, i'm no ghoolie lapdog. i can think for myself. love the team. will root for them always. just do something spectacular one year and do it right in the draft. i'm sure coleman will be a burner. glad we thought WR this year, just like farmer thought DB overstock with multiple picks and maybe one will work out.
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