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SHOTS FIRED! New Research Challenges Sacred Cow of the Liberal Left

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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    The human brain is a complex thing, I don't think it's known exactly what pre-birth and post-birth factors end up making a person gay.

    But if girls like this came all up on you and there was no movement, I think it's pretty obvious that gay is not a choice for many people.

    That speaks for sexual orientation.

    As far as gender, I don't know.

    It's all just how some people are wired, I don't see why it's still a debate. What is this even advocating for? Are they saying that straight camps are good or something?

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    BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd wrote on last edited by
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    @bbedward said:

    The human brain is a complex thing, I don't think it's known exactly what pre-birth and post-birth factors end up making a person gay.

    But if girls like this came all up on you and there was no movement, I think it's pretty obvious that gay is not a choice for many people.

    That speaks for sexual orientation.

    As far as gender, I don't know.

    It's all just how some people are wired, I don't see why it's still a debate. What is this even advocating for? Are they saying that straight camps are good or something?

    In a nutshell, there is no scientific evidence for being "Born that way". That children who portray trans-gendered actions normally grow out of such actions. That parents who try and push/nurture their children to being transgendered can cause more harm mentally down the road. That sex reassignment surgery does not provide the mental stability that is assumed. That the media and government agenda is in fact wrong and should seriously reconsider many of the legislation and agendas pushing for certain rights and recommends that serious research and study be given instead of giving into the agenda.

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      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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      OBF, does this mean you aren't a creationist anymore?

      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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        @bbedward said:

        The human brain is a complex thing, I don't think it's known exactly what pre-birth and post-birth factors end up making a person gay.

        But if girls like this came all up on you and there was no movement, I think it's pretty obvious that gay is not a choice for many people.

        That speaks for sexual orientation.

        As far as gender, I don't know.

        It's all just how some people are wired, I don't see why it's still a debate. What is this even advocating for? Are they saying that straight camps are good or something?

        In a nutshell, there is no scientific evidence for being "Born that way". That children who portray trans-gendered actions normally grow out of such actions. That parents who try and push/nurture their children to being transgendered can cause more harm mentally down the road. That sex reassignment surgery does not provide the mental stability that is assumed. That the media and government agenda is in fact wrong and should seriously reconsider many of the legislation and agendas pushing for certain rights and recommends that serious research and study be given instead of giving into the agenda.

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        @brownskidd said:

        In a nutshell, there is no scientific evidence for being "Born that way". That children who portray trans-gendered actions normally grow out of such actions. That parents who try and push/nurture their children to being transgendered can cause more harm mentally down the road. That sex reassignment surgery does not provide the mental stability that is assumed. That the media and government agenda is in fact wrong and should seriously reconsider many of the legislation and agendas pushing for certain rights and recommends that serious research and study be given instead of giving into the agenda.

        [citation needed]

        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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          They are perverted. That's why they are gay. Just like some sickos can't get it up without causing someone else pain, they are a sick fuck.

          :neutral_face:
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          • gftChrisG gftChris

            The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retarded. I mean, given how much shit people take for it - remembering Die Hard casually dropping in to conversation that he thinks one such guy in his navy days was killed for being gay, because that's what happens - who would *choose* to be gay?

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            C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by Clevfan4life
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            @gftchris said:

            The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retard. I mean, given how much shit people take for it - remembering Die Hard casually dropping in to conversation that he thinks one such guy in his navy days was killed for being gay, because that's what happens - who would *choose* to be gay?

            Good lord diehard is a walking scumbag. And we're supposed to respect this guy cause he served.

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              @gftchris said:

              The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retard. I mean, given how much shit people take for it - remembering Die Hard casually dropping in to conversation that he thinks one such guy in his navy days was killed for being gay, because that's what happens - who would *choose* to be gay?

              Good lord diehard is a walking scumbag. And we're supposed to respect this guy cause he served.

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              @clevfan4life said:

              Good lord diehard is a walking scumbag. And we're supposed to respect this guy he served.

              Everyone that's ever been in the military is a hero. Don't question it.

              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Speck and every member of NAMBLA were born that way. That's just a stupid reason for or against.

                WSS

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                C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by Clevfan4life
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                @westside-steve said:

                Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Speck and every member of NAMBLA were born that way. That's just a stupid reason for or against.

                WSS

                Do you see how bringing nambla and the predation of non consenting children into this discussion about consenting adults.......is kind of douchey steve?
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                  @clevfan4life said:

                  Good lord diehard is a walking scumbag. And we're supposed to respect this guy he served.

                  Everyone that's ever been in the military is a hero. Don't question it.

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                  C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by Clevfan4life
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                  @mld-woody said:

                  Everyone that's ever been in the military is a hero. Don't question it.

                  Unbeleivably my estimation of diehard has reached new lows. In comparison stuart comes off like a lifelong browns backer now

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                    @westside-steve said:

                    Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Speck and every member of NAMBLA were born that way. That's just a stupid reason for or against.

                    WSS

                    Do you see how bringing nambla and the predation of non consenting children into this discussion about consenting adults.......is kind of douchey steve?
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                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                    @clevfan4life said:

                    Do you see how bringing nambla and the predation of non consenting children into this discussion about consenting adults.......is kind of douchey steve?

                    It's the continued equating of homosexuality with paedophilia and bestiality and necrophilia and ever more heinous things that perpetuates in the minds of the easily manipulated the idea that being gay automatically makes you a sexual predator who should be locked up.

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                    • gftChrisG gftChris

                      The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retarded. I mean, given how much shit people take for it - remembering Die Hard casually dropping in to conversation that he thinks one such guy in his navy days was killed for being gay, because that's what happens - who would *choose* to be gay?

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      @gftchris said:

                      The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retard.

                      I love that the Retard autocorrect is still alive and well...

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                        @gftchris said:

                        The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retard.

                        I love that the Retard autocorrect is still alive and well...

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                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                        @tour2ma said:

                        I love that the Retard autocorrect is still alive and well...

                        I'd forgotten about it until I posted, but yeah, it's good for the chuckles.

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                        • bbedwardB bbedward

                          The human brain is a complex thing, I don't think it's known exactly what pre-birth and post-birth factors end up making a person gay.

                          But if girls like this came all up on you and there was no movement, I think it's pretty obvious that gay is not a choice for many people.

                          That speaks for sexual orientation.

                          As far as gender, I don't know.

                          It's all just how some people are wired, I don't see why it's still a debate. What is this even advocating for? Are they saying that straight camps are good or something?

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                          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                          @bbedward said:

                          The human brain is a complex thing, I don't think it's known exactly what pre-birth and post-birth factors end up making a person gay.

                          But if girls like this came all up on you and there was no movement, I think it's pretty obvious that gay is not a choice for many people.

                          That speaks for sexual orientation.

                          As far as gender, I don't know.

                          It's all just how some people are wired, I don't see why it's still a debate. What is this even advocating for? Are they saying that straight camps are good or something?

                          I think one of the things they are saying is this:

                          "Logically, it would appear that McHugh and Mayer are suggesting that if your 6-year old girl likes climbing trees and playing baseball more than she likes Barbie Dolls and princess dresses, that’s not your signal to start hormone therapy treatments to prevent her from developing as a normal female.

                          Likewise, if your 8-year old son likes to help Mom in the kitchen, you don’t take out a second mortgage on your home to pay for his reassignment surgery and introduce him to all your friends as “Monica.”

                          Kids go through phases. Given time and appropriate love and care, they grow out of them. The parent who rushes to use their children to make a statement for social justice probably have no business with kids and are likely the reason those kids are messed up."

                          *For me personally I just have heard that argument a number of times that gays are born that way so Christians who say the behavior is wrong (per the bible calling it a sin) we are the ones who are wrong.

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                            LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                            I have met little kids who were clearly gay and not from families where mom and dad foster the idea of wanting a gay kid. Quite the contrary, they were devoutly religious.

                            My step brother is gay and grew up in our house where everyone gave each other hell for just about anything. Probably why he stayed in the closet for as long as he did.

                            Call it what you will but the kids are born that way and not groomed to become Liberace.

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                              @brownskidd said:

                              In a nutshell, there is no scientific evidence for being "Born that way". That children who portray trans-gendered actions normally grow out of such actions. That parents who try and push/nurture their children to being transgendered can cause more harm mentally down the road. That sex reassignment surgery does not provide the mental stability that is assumed. That the media and government agenda is in fact wrong and should seriously reconsider many of the legislation and agendas pushing for certain rights and recommends that serious research and study be given instead of giving into the agenda.

                              [citation needed]

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              [citation needed]

                              Read the journal...

                              Here is a synopsis if you don't want too.

                              http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/ryan-t-anderson/nearly-everything-media-tell-you-about-sexual-orientation-and-gender

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                                The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retarded. I mean, given how much shit people take for it - remembering Die Hard casually dropping in to conversation that he thinks one such guy in his navy days was killed for being gay, because that's what happens - who would *choose* to be gay?

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                                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                @gftchris said:

                                The whole idea of homosexuality being a choice is basically Retard. I mean, given how much shit people take for it - remembering Die Hard casually dropping in to conversation that he thinks one such guy in his navy days was killed for being gay, because that's what happens - who would *choose* to be gay?

                                I have a relative who was in the marines in the 60's and he said for entertainment they would go out and beat up gays on the weekends. He saw it as great fun. I am sure Diehard is right about a gay person getting killed back then. That is horrible and I am glad we have come a long ways today from that kind of hate against gays.

                                I just will not condone or put my stamp of approval on that behavior. For me it would be the same as condoning adultery. It is a behavior expressly condemned as sinful behavior in the bible. Most Christians though are well aware we are all sinners and love the sinner and hate the sin. That is where I am at.

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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Speck and every member of NAMBLA were born that way. That's just a stupid reason for or against.

                                  WSS

                                  Do you see how bringing nambla and the predation of non consenting children into this discussion about consenting adults.......is kind of douchey steve?
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                                  @clevfan4life said:

                                  Do you see how bringing nambla and the predation of non consenting children into this discussion about consenting adults.......is kind of douchey steve?

                                  No.

                                  Why do you ask?

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                                    @clevfan4life said:

                                    Do you see how bringing nambla and the predation of non consenting children into this discussion about consenting adults.......is kind of douchey steve?

                                    No.

                                    Why do you ask?

                                    WSS

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                                    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    No.

                                    Why do you ask?

                                    WSS

                                    I ask cause its douchey. And frankly i thought you were above that.

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                                      @westside-steve said:

                                      No.

                                      Why do you ask?

                                      WSS

                                      I ask cause its douchey. And frankly i thought you were above that.

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                                      @clevfan4life said:

                                      I ask cause its douchey. And frankly i thought you were above that.

                                      No you didn't. You don't even know what consent means.

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                                        bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                                        Just let the gays be gay.

                                        You wanna be a woman? I dont give 3 fucks as long as you're up front about having a dick. Don't want to get catfished or anything.

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                                          StinkHoleS StinkHole wrote on last edited by
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                                          Stuart

                                          The idea that someone chooses his sexual orientation sounds ridiculous. No one chooses to be heterosexual. I am straight because I am straight, Cleve is gay because he is gay.

                                          Did anyone here ever come to a point in your life when you chose which way you were gonna roll?

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