Draft Talk
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so is it worth looking at a QB next year or no? is there a projected franchise guy coming out in the '18 draft?
that's why these missed picks fucking hurt so bad. miss on a diamond and draft a cubic zirconia.
I think it is a matter of seeing what Kessler has this year. I would really like him to turn into a good QB so then the first round can be about finding a pass rusher or, god forbid, best available player.so is it worth looking at a QB next year or no? is there a projected franchise guy coming out in the '18 draft?
that's why these missed picks fucking hurt so bad. miss on a diamond and draft a cubic zirconia.
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I think it is a matter of seeing what Kessler has this year. I would really like him to turn into a good QB so then the first round can be about finding a pass rusher or, god forbid, best available player.so is it worth looking at a QB next year or no? is there a projected franchise guy coming out in the '18 draft?
that's why these missed picks fucking hurt so bad. miss on a diamond and draft a cubic zirconia.
I think it is a matter of seeing what Kessler has this year. I would really like him to turn into a good QB so then the first round can be about finding a pass rusher or, god forbid, best available player.
Don't forget Hogan... I expect he'll audition as well.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Called this one [article re Malik Hooker] over a week ago - he'd look great with our Eagles pick.
"Hooker's skill set is the best he's seen from a safety since Eric Berry"
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I think it is a matter of seeing what Kessler has this year. I would really like him to turn into a good QB so then the first round can be about finding a pass rusher or, god forbid, best available player.
Don't forget Hogan... I expect he'll audition as well.
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Huh? It wasn't "without those guys." He has had them.
A little light on reading comprehension? We are talking about Chad Kelly and Ole Miss this year. Ketchup, baby tomato before you get squashed. "Those guys" that I am referring to are all those receivers that were on the Ole Miss team the last few years that are now graduated.
They're ballers. A&M's receivers are routinely called the best group at the position in the SEC and I have said since 2014 that it was bunk. Ole Miss' are way better.
Are? or Were? Again, I am saying that the likes of Laquon Treadwell and others have graduated. Now...does he have a new group of outstanding WRs? Maybe, They have a couple of guys that may be OK...i.e. draftable mid to late rounds. But, for SEC WRs...in checking I see that LSU has a couple of WRs that rate in the top 100 overall prospects.
And yes, I have to look this shit up on the internet That is what smart people do. I do not have a staff of scouts at my beck and call.
I think he's worth a look too but TCPO is absolutely right that his receivers make huge plays.
Name a succesful QB in history, NFL or otherwise that did not have his receivers making huge plays?
Huh? It wasn't "without those guys." He has had them.
A little light on reading comprehension? We are talking about Chad Kelly and Ole Miss this year. Ketchup, baby tomato before you get squashed. "Those guys" that I am referring to are all those receivers that were on the Ole Miss team the last few years that are now graduated.
They're ballers. A&M's receivers are routinely called the best group at the position in the SEC and I have said since 2014 that it was bunk. Ole Miss' are way better.
Are? or Were? Again, I am saying that the likes of Laquon Treadwell and others have graduated. Now...does he have a new group of outstanding WRs? Maybe, They have a couple of guys that may be OK...i.e. draftable mid to late rounds. But, for SEC WRs...in checking I see that LSU has a couple of WRs that rate in the top 100 overall prospects.
And yes, I have to look this shit up on the internet That is what smart people do. I do not have a staff of scouts at my beck and call.
I think he's worth a look too but TCPO is absolutely right that his receivers make huge plays.
Name a succesful QB in history, NFL or otherwise that did not have his receivers making huge plays?
Treadwell and Core are the only ones gone. Stringfellow, Lodge, Adeboyejo off the top of my head are all still spectacular.
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Huh? It wasn't "without those guys." He has had them.
A little light on reading comprehension? We are talking about Chad Kelly and Ole Miss this year. Ketchup, baby tomato before you get squashed. "Those guys" that I am referring to are all those receivers that were on the Ole Miss team the last few years that are now graduated.
They're ballers. A&M's receivers are routinely called the best group at the position in the SEC and I have said since 2014 that it was bunk. Ole Miss' are way better.
Are? or Were? Again, I am saying that the likes of Laquon Treadwell and others have graduated. Now...does he have a new group of outstanding WRs? Maybe, They have a couple of guys that may be OK...i.e. draftable mid to late rounds. But, for SEC WRs...in checking I see that LSU has a couple of WRs that rate in the top 100 overall prospects.
And yes, I have to look this shit up on the internet That is what smart people do. I do not have a staff of scouts at my beck and call.
I think he's worth a look too but TCPO is absolutely right that his receivers make huge plays.
Name a succesful QB in history, NFL or otherwise that did not have his receivers making huge plays?
Treadwell and Core are the only ones gone. Stringfellow, Lodge, Adeboyejo off the top of my head are all still spectacular.
Treadwell and Core are the only ones gone. Stringfellow, Lodge, Adeboyejo off the top of my head are all still spectacular.
Spectacular? I guess it depends on your perspective. CBS has Stringfellow rated 15th best WR coming out next year.....about a 4th rounder. (was Vince Mayle spectacular?)
Attaboyo is 28th best...6th or 7th round.
Lets just say that with Pryor, Coleman, Gordon, Higgins, Payton, Hawkins etc. etc. on the Browns....WR is not going to be their draft focus.
Kelly as a QB could be. He is rated the 30th overall prospect....a late first rounder. Far higher than his WRs.
And you know how things are. A year ago at this time Carson Wentz was considered maybe a 3rd, 4th round pick. He could slide up...like Wentz, or sure, he could slide down.....like a Hackenberg did.
Nevertheless, for now, Kelly is considered a better prospect than his receivers.
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The Best rated....in terms of 2017 draft prospects per CBS....classes of WRs next year would be:
Clemson Mike Williams rated #2 best WR...1st round; and Artavis Scott rankee #5 ...as 2d rounder
LSU: Malachi Dupre ranked #7 rounds 2-3; and Travan Dural #14 round 3-4
Oregon: Darren Carrington #8 round 2-3, and Devan Allen #22 5th rounder
Texas A&M: Speedy Noll #20 round 4-5; Josh Reynolds #23 round 5
All of these are considered to be higher ranked WR schools in the next draft over Ole Miss.....for now
But, again, why are we talking WR?
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Actual areas of possible need on offense and who is rated where:
QBs
1. DeShaun Watson Clemson #2 overall prospect 1st round
2. DeShone Kizer Notre Dame #6 overall 1st round
3. Brad Kaaya Miami Fla. #15 1st
4. Chad Kelly Ole Miss #30 1st
5. Mason Rudolph OK State #65 3rd round
OTs:
1. Cam Robinson Alabama #12 overall 1st rd.
2. Roderick Johnson FSU #20 1st
3. Mike McGlinchey Notre Dame #24 1st
4. Adam Bisnowaty Pitt #40 1-2 round
5. Chad Wheeler W. Va #64 round 2-3
OCs:
1. Pal Elfwein Ohio St. #50 overall 2d. round
2. Ethan Pocic LSU #55 2d rd.
3. Mason Cole Michigan #76 3rd
4. Tyler Orlosky W VA. #115 3-4
5. Kyle Fuller Baylor #155 4th-5th
These are primary areas of need on offense....Fair to say?
On Defense....it is a wide open field. DL/LB/DB all in play for high picks.
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watson and jackson have looked pretty bad so far against each other >.<
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Anybody see this Mitch Trubisky QB? Tony grossi said something about him being a sleeper qb the other day and he just had a huge game against a ranked opponent he's also a local kid from Mentor,OH
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Anybody see this Mitch Trubisky QB? Tony grossi said something about him being a sleeper qb the other day and he just had a huge game against a ranked opponent he's also a local kid from Mentor,OH
Anybody see this Mitch Trubisky QB? Tony grossi said something about him being a sleeper qb the other day and he just had a huge game against a ranked opponent he's also a local kid from Mentor,OH
He's a project. He has some amazing arm talent, I'll give him that. Guy has the best arm I've seen in a while, he's RIPPING some of those intermediate throws. Deep ball is a little shaky. Falls off of his throws a lot. Doesn't show much of inidication of being able to work the pocket. UNC is running a lot of underneath and negative routes and getting Switzer the ball in space, which pads his stats.
I don't know anything about his mental ability or experience, but I'd certainly take a go at him in the later rounds if available just based on some of those pro caliber throws.
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Anybody see this Mitch Trubisky QB? Tony grossi said something about him being a sleeper qb the other day and he just had a huge game against a ranked opponent he's also a local kid from Mentor,OH
Anybody see this Mitch Trubisky QB? Tony grossi said something about him being a sleeper qb the other day and he just had a huge game against a ranked opponent he's also a local kid from Mentor,OH
Stan....Atenears should pop in and give us a scouting report.
What is his draft status? Coming out next year? or beyond?
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PFF grades..
1) Every Browns OL not playing the center position was one of the top performers. The other? Crow.
LG Joel Bitonio, 80.3LT Joe Thomas, 79.0RT Austin Pasztor, 75.9RG John Greco, 68.62) Every Browns DL was the top performer.. but the LB's stunk [again] in runD.
DE Stephen Paea, 78.2NT Danny Shelton, 76.8NT Jamie Meder, 75.5DE Xavier Cooper, 74.3First round next year: QB followed by impact MLB or FS... Couldn't go too wrong with either Raekwon McMillan or Malik Hooker..The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
PFF grades..
1) Every Browns OL not playing the center position was one of the top performers. The other? Crow.
LG Joel Bitonio, 80.3LT Joe Thomas, 79.0RT Austin Pasztor, 75.9RG John Greco, 68.62) Every Browns DL was the top performer.. but the LB's stunk [again] in runD.
DE Stephen Paea, 78.2NT Danny Shelton, 76.8NT Jamie Meder, 75.5DE Xavier Cooper, 74.3First round next year: QB followed by impact MLB or FS... Couldn't go too wrong with either Raekwon McMillan or Malik Hooker..PFF grades..
1) Every Browns OL not playing the center position was one of the top performers. The other? Crow.
LG Joel Bitonio, 80.3LT Joe Thomas, 79.0RT Austin Pasztor, 75.9RG John Greco, 68.62) Every Browns DL was the top performer.. but the LB's stunk [again] in runD.
DE Stephen Paea, 78.2NT Danny Shelton, 76.8NT Jamie Meder, 75.5DE Xavier Cooper, 74.3First round next year: QB followed by impact MLB or FS... Couldn't go too wrong with either Raekwon McMillan or Malik Hooker..You don't think we need an edge rusher? I do. Perhaps as much as anything. (but those other things are needed tool)
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PFF grades..
1) Every Browns OL not playing the center position was one of the top performers. The other? Crow.
LG Joel Bitonio, 80.3LT Joe Thomas, 79.0RT Austin Pasztor, 75.9RG John Greco, 68.62) Every Browns DL was the top performer.. but the LB's stunk [again] in runD.
DE Stephen Paea, 78.2NT Danny Shelton, 76.8NT Jamie Meder, 75.5DE Xavier Cooper, 74.3First round next year: QB followed by impact MLB or FS... Couldn't go too wrong with either Raekwon McMillan or Malik Hooker..You don't think we need an edge rusher? I do. Perhaps as much as anything. (but those other things are needed tool)
You don't think we need an edge rusher? I do. Perhaps as much as anything. (but those other things are needed tool)
Yes, except for a few well timed blitzes, Cousins had all day to throw yesterday.
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Yep, just watched Miami's Kaaya make a perfect corner of the endzone completion in stride (to the wrong team). Sign him up.
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Yep, just watched Miami's Kaaya make a perfect corner of the endzone completion in stride (to the wrong team). Sign him up.
Yep, just watched Miami's Kaaya make a perfect corner of the endzone completion in stride (to the wrong team). Sign him up.
If he leads his receiver to the back pylon was his only shot. But, If this storm keeps up I'll be in a Kayak by morning
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Yep, just watched Miami's Kaaya make a perfect corner of the endzone completion in stride (to the wrong team). Sign him up.
If he leads his receiver to the back pylon was his only shot. But, If this storm keeps up I'll be in a Kayak by morning
If he leads his receiver to the back pylon was his only shot. But, If this storm keeps up I'll be in a Kayak by morning
Anyone know of a good cardiologist down this way? A&M over Tenn with an interception in double overtime 45-38 with a one legged Myles Garrett pushing the LT into the QB on the last play.
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There are a few positions on this team that should be looked at. Some priorities:
1. QB.......unless we can "trust" Hue Jackson and this Kessler kid becomes the next Brian Sipe...or becomes as Smooth as Joe Montana was Cool.
2. RT/RG.....bad mistake letting The Schwartz go. Or do Coleman and Drango and Bailey work out in these spots. Pasztor is backup material.
But that is it on offense.
Defense:
1. A pass rusher. Unless Ogbah and Orchard prove that they can produce here the way they did in college (and they have not done so yet) we need pass rusher. If they really don't want to go high for a QB....a Myles Garret would not hurt.
2. Defensive Backfield. Safety and Corner. Haden hurt and older. Tramon Williams average at best. No other standouts. Would a Jabil Peppers be a good play? Perhaps....but our own Michigan man here...Woody, has made some statements to the effect that he may not be so elite as people think. That he may be a "tweener".
3. Depth at Linebacker. Though if it would be Garrett that would constitute more than "depth".
4. A kicker? Late rounds? WTF, if we have the extra picks it may be worth it to nail that position down...which has been an issue the last couple of years.
There are a few positions on this team that should be looked at. Some priorities:
1. QB.......unless we can "trust" Hue Jackson and this Kessler kid becomes the next Brian Sipe...or becomes as Smooth as Joe Montana was Cool.
2. RT/RG.....bad mistake letting The Schwartz go. Or do Coleman and Drango and Bailey work out in these spots. Pasztor is backup material.
But that is it on offense.
Defense:
1. A pass rusher. Unless Ogbah and Orchard prove that they can produce here the way they did in college (and they have not done so yet) we need pass rusher. If they really don't want to go high for a QB....a Myles Garret would not hurt.
2. Defensive Backfield. Safety and Corner. Haden hurt and older. Tramon Williams average at best. No other standouts. Would a Jabil Peppers be a good play? Perhaps....but our own Michigan man here...Woody, has made some statements to the effect that he may not be so elite as people think. That he may be a "tweener".
3. Depth at Linebacker. Though if it would be Garrett that would constitute more than "depth".
4. A kicker? Late rounds? WTF, if we have the extra picks it may be worth it to nail that position down...which has been an issue the last couple of years.
You had a hard time understanding my statements haha
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Actual areas of possible need on offense and who is rated where:
QBs
1. DeShaun Watson Clemson #2 overall prospect 1st round
2. DeShone Kizer Notre Dame #6 overall 1st round
3. Brad Kaaya Miami Fla. #15 1st
4. Chad Kelly Ole Miss #30 1st
5. Mason Rudolph OK State #65 3rd round
OTs:
1. Cam Robinson Alabama #12 overall 1st rd.
2. Roderick Johnson FSU #20 1st
3. Mike McGlinchey Notre Dame #24 1st
4. Adam Bisnowaty Pitt #40 1-2 round
5. Chad Wheeler W. Va #64 round 2-3
OCs:
1. Pal Elfwein Ohio St. #50 overall 2d. round
2. Ethan Pocic LSU #55 2d rd.
3. Mason Cole Michigan #76 3rd
4. Tyler Orlosky W VA. #115 3-4
5. Kyle Fuller Baylor #155 4th-5th
These are primary areas of need on offense....Fair to say?
On Defense....it is a wide open field. DL/LB/DB all in play for high picks.
Actual areas of possible need on offense and who is rated where:
QBs
1. DeShaun Watson Clemson #2 overall prospect 1st round
2. DeShone Kizer Notre Dame #6 overall 1st round
3. Brad Kaaya Miami Fla. #15 1st
4. Chad Kelly Ole Miss #30 1st
5. Mason Rudolph OK State #65 3rd round
OTs:
1. Cam Robinson Alabama #12 overall 1st rd.
2. Roderick Johnson FSU #20 1st
3. Mike McGlinchey Notre Dame #24 1st
4. Adam Bisnowaty Pitt #40 1-2 round
5. Chad Wheeler W. Va #64 round 2-3
OCs:
1. Pal Elfwein Ohio St. #50 overall 2d. round
2. Ethan Pocic LSU #55 2d rd.
3. Mason Cole Michigan #76 3rd
4. Tyler Orlosky W VA. #115 3-4
5. Kyle Fuller Baylor #155 4th-5th
These are primary areas of need on offense....Fair to say?
On Defense....it is a wide open field. DL/LB/DB all in play for high picks.
Mason Cole is a very good center, but I don't think he's leaving.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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