Who takes the fall?
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Horton is garbage,
I wish we still had Shanahan as OC too. At least we moved the ball more effectively and could set up PA passes..
Horton is garbage,
I wish we still had Shanahan as OC too. At least we moved the ball more effectively and could set up PA passes..
ehhh.....
anyone and everyone looks better now. let's not go overboard.
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Yep, Shanahan looks good with Ryan and Julio. Who would have guessed...
Anyway, who takes the fall? Chris Tabor. Special teams has been awful in pretty much every facet this year, coverage in both directions and both kicking and punting, fair catching the ball on the 5 yard line it ridiculous, the return game has been virtually non-existent, and when we have tried it's usually been negative.
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Horton is garbage,
I wish we still had Shanahan as OC too. At least we moved the ball more effectively and could set up PA passes..
ehhh.....
anyone and everyone looks better now. let's not go overboard.
ehhh.....
anyone and everyone looks better now. let's not go overboard.
I dunno mik. Shanny looks like the sharpest tool in the shed for deserting Farmer's disaster for a team with real talent. Good career move for him.
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I dunno mik. Shanny looks like the sharpest tool in the shed for deserting Farmer's disaster for a team with real talent. Good career move for him.
yes.
BUT every OC or DC that's on a team with an upswing is in consideration (along with up and coming HCs from the NCAAA) for team's needy greedy bid for new coaching blood. not saying at all that this is what's happening in cleveland but it's kinda cool/weird to see these fools names pop up when we couldn't get rid of them fast enough.
eric, whereforarttho? pettine: brown's MVP coach of all time! (hey, i'd take him back.)
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Dissension in the ranks at 0-9? GTFO!
OK... I am ready with some nominees...
Louie Cioffi - Defensive BacksShould have seen this coming. Never hire a fatty as your DB Coach!
Cannon Matthews - Assistant Defensive BacksLooks the part... but "Cannon"? Seems like bad karma...
Eric Sanders - Defensive Quality ControlTitle says it all... Probably has absenteeism issues anyway...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Dissension in the ranks at 0-9? GTFO!
OK... I am ready with some nominees...
Louie Cioffi - Defensive BacksShould have seen this coming. Never hire a fatty as your DB Coach!
Cannon Matthews - Assistant Defensive BacksLooks the part... but "Cannon"? Seems like bad karma...
Eric Sanders - Defensive Quality ControlTitle says it all... Probably has absenteeism issues anyway...
Dissension in the ranks at 0-9? GTFO!
OK... I am ready with some nominees...
Louie Cioffi - Defensive BacksShould have seen this coming. Never hire a fatty as your DB Coach!
Cannon Matthews - Assistant Defensive BacksLooks the part... but "Cannon"? Seems like bad karma...
Eric Sanders - Defensive Quality ControlTitle says it all... Probably has absenteeism issues anyway...
You forgot that main character.... Elephants could probably coach better....
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Honestly at this point, i think that if Horton is getting shown the door it's likely going to involve showing Jackson the door as well. I just don't see them separating amicably. I think the biggest problem the browns face right now is the inability to play to their players strengths while simultaneously playing off of our players weaknesses. Game Planning seems to be a big issue with us as well as both physical and mental preparation. I'm just not sure the letting go of just Horton will help to rectify that problem. It's pretty safe to admit that we are regressing as a football team at this point compared to earlier in the season. You can cry talent for days but Blown coverages,Penalties,Discipline,Clock Management,Play Calling,Adjustments (or lack of) and Poor Scheming have very little to do with talent.
Bottom line is that Hue Jackson has shown ZERO reason for the browns to stay the course with Him and HIS HANDPICKED COACHING STAFF. -
every coach hand picks their staffs now.
listen, i was one of the first to say this (hue and co.) will be the next homgren shitshow, but i'm wrong more than i am right.
can't fire the staff after one year with no talent to do anything with. AND I MEAN NO TALENT. ZERO. ZILCH.
saw the keystone cops playing on our DLine yesterday. hilarious. nassib get's bone crushed by his partner on a clear path to a tackle.
you can't make this shit up.
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Everyone bought into the rebuild! Owner,FO,Jackson,coordinators,and position coaches!!! Fans bought in on tickets! We have NO say in any deviation from the above plan!!! Growing pains are happening. Put on your big boy panties! We are SO YOUNG! This isnt d1 ball this is the PROS!!! Be a professional fan and understand this is a real rebuild! Im good with the progress so far! Some are not! Its a tough pill to swallow being this bad! We are on the right track. Patience in climbing the hill will result in a fun ride! First you have to stand in line and try to understand what is taking so long! Relax and just know we/your in the (ball)park, you have paid admission! We all need to talk and keep each other calm. Being in this ALL consuming line is better when you have friends to pass the time! Bitch and wine,laugh and bullshit with others in line! Watch people who are on the ride,and hate it! Let your opion be known! But try to enjoy SOME of the scenery! WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER!!! How we pass the time is an individual thing. I for one cant wait to enjoy the outcome!!! GO BROWNS FOREVER!!! any questions???
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Everyone bought into the rebuild! Owner,FO,Jackson,coordinators,and position coaches!!! Fans bought in on tickets! We have NO say in any deviation from the above plan!!! Growing pains are happening. Put on your big boy panties! We are SO YOUNG! This isnt d1 ball this is the PROS!!! Be a professional fan and understand this is a real rebuild! Im good with the progress so far! Some are not! Its a tough pill to swallow being this bad! We are on the right track. Patience in climbing the hill will result in a fun ride! First you have to stand in line and try to understand what is taking so long! Relax and just know we/your in the (ball)park, you have paid admission! We all need to talk and keep each other calm. Being in this ALL consuming line is better when you have friends to pass the time! Bitch and wine,laugh and bullshit with others in line! Watch people who are on the ride,and hate it! Let your opion be known! But try to enjoy SOME of the scenery! WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER!!! How we pass the time is an individual thing. I for one cant wait to enjoy the outcome!!! GO BROWNS FOREVER!!! any questions???
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Hearing rumors that the ENTIRE coaching staff may be on the hot seat. Yesterday was a disaster for the browns in terms of being out coached. Yea we have a talent gap but the mistakes weren't talent related it was mental,discipline and lack of preparation. Also hearing that Hue is becoming nearly belligerent with the FO
. Apparently this is his MO from the raiders aswell.... This is quite concerning i was really pulling for hue but if he starts infighting cut him loose we're just spinning our tires Hearing rumors that the ENTIRE coaching staff may be on the hot seat. Yesterday was a disaster for the browns in terms of being out coached. Yea we have a talent gap but the mistakes weren't talent related it was mental,discipline and lack of preparation. Also hearing that Hue is becoming nearly belligerent with the FO
. Apparently this is his MO from the raiders aswell.... This is quite concerning i was really pulling for hue but if he starts infighting cut him loose we're just spinning our tires Where are you hearing this? Source?
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Goodness, this is the most dysfunctional fanbase in America.
Hue's the man. We don't know jack about Horton yet. FO is fine. STFU
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Goodness, this is the most dysfunctional fanbase in America.
Hue's the man. We don't know jack about Horton yet. FO is fine. STFU
Ahhh you must have missed the 2013 seasonGoodness, this is the most dysfunctional fanbase in America.
Hue's the man. We don't know jack about Horton yet. FO is fine. STFU
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Yes that one season gave us a ton of data. How could I forget?
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This thread is also assuming we continue to play at this level without improvement of course. This can absolutely be turned around starting as soon as Thursday it's just not looking very likely is all.
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Ahhh you must have missed the 2013 seasonGoodness, this is the most dysfunctional fanbase in America.
Hue's the man. We don't know jack about Horton yet. FO is fine. STFU
Ahhh you must have missed the 2013 season
Cut War some slack still reeling from the Miss St game.
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every coach hand picks their staffs now.
listen, i was one of the first to say this (hue and co.) will be the next homgren shitshow, but i'm wrong more than i am right.
can't fire the staff after one year with no talent to do anything with. AND I MEAN NO TALENT. ZERO. ZILCH.
saw the keystone cops playing on our DLine yesterday. hilarious. nassib get's bone crushed by his partner on a clear path to a tackle.
you can't make this shit up.
saw the keystone cops playing on our DLine yesterday. hilarious. nassib get's bone crushed by his partner on a clear path to a tackle.
you can't make this shit up.
That was funny!
...ok, no, it wasn't funny....it was, roll your eyes and put you face in your hands.
It's just more ineptness.
I'm certain that all of the defensive players that we let go after last season are enjoying what's happening to us.
I expected that our defense would go backwards for a while this season. But I was hoping that by, about now, the players would start to show improvement...like they belong in the league. Unfortunately, they're still looking like skinny kids in a big boy league. Nassib is a good example. He showed flashes in preseason against third stringers....but he certainly looks like a tall, skinny kid against the big fat guy starters he's facing. He can't move them and he can't get around them. All he can do is hope the ball is thrown in his direction so that he can jump up and block the pass.
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Ahhh you must have missed the 2013 season
Cut War some slack still reeling from the Miss St game.
Cut War some slack still reeling from the Miss St game.
This is true lol.
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I don't think there has to be anyone to "take the fall", now that I've had a chance to think about it. Even if we let Ray Horton go after the season, you still have to find someone better, right? Who would want to come to a place where you might only get one year? I just want to see the same staff for three years, and then start making decisions.
As painful as that might be...
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I don't think there has to be anyone to "take the fall", now that I've had a chance to think about it. Even if we let Ray Horton go after the season, you still have to find someone better, right? Who would want to come to a place where you might only get one year? I just want to see the same staff for three years, and then start making decisions.
As painful as that might be...
I don't think there has to be anyone to "take the fall", now that I've had a chance to think about it. Even if we let Ray Horton go after the season, you still have to find someone better, right? Who would want to come to a place where you might only get one year? I just want to see the same staff for three years, and then start making decisions.
As painful as that might be...
Good points. We would not be able to attract anyone better with a known short leash.
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