Who takes the fall?
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"I want my 4 win seasons back and I want them NOW."
Idiots.
0-14 doesn't show signs of improvement. Shocker. You expect them to play harder down the stretch? After playing football for 19 weeks? If the NFL magically changed our record to put us in the playoff hunt and we had the NFL average for injuries, I'm absolutely positive you'd see your "improvement."
Check this out....Other teams actually win games in December. Do you really think they are going to be a NFL juggernaut in a couple of years? They haven't even found one playmaker yet or a way to tackle, pass, kick or run. Procedure penalties up the Ying yang but hey, we got the best coach out there....Man did I ever pick a bad week to quit LSD"I want my 4 win seasons back and I want them NOW."
Idiots.
0-14 doesn't show signs of improvement. Shocker. You expect them to play harder down the stretch? After playing football for 19 weeks? If the NFL magically changed our record to put us in the playoff hunt and we had the NFL average for injuries, I'm absolutely positive you'd see your "improvement."
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And the award for "dumbest fuckers of 2016" goes to....most of the people in this thread.
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Yep. Some of us are tired of all the negative nancy overreaction to the first year
to build the team the right way.
You can see the WAY they play, that they are all in with Hue, so the idea that replacing the hc is stupid right there.
I personally wonder about Horton, because it seems his defense only works on paper.... on the field, it often
makes no sense to me.
But they are choosing players who love the game, have the character, tougnness, smarts, etc, as bset as anybody can.
But this is the first year. This is one of the stupidest threads on the Browns forum.
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I wonder what you some of you guys will say next year when we start 0-6. I can already see the posts. You cant judge a HC after 30 weeks of football you really need 60 weeks... Hue can stay HC if we get a true OC and Respectable DC and his draft/player acquisition rights have been revoked. He's just not good enough for the level of responsibility that has been placed on him. He has been overwhelmed all year and it shows
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I wonder what you some of you guys will say next year when we start 0-6. I can already see the posts. You cant judge a HC after 30 weeks of football you really need 60 weeks... Hue can stay HC if we get a true OC and Respectable DC and his draft/player acquisition rights have been revoked. He's just not good enough for the level of responsibility that has been placed on him. He has been overwhelmed all year and it shows
I wonder what you some of you guys will say next year when we start 0-6. I can already see the posts. You cant judge a HC after 30 weeks of football you really need 60 weeks...
If that were to happen I would imagine something along the lines of "this is disappointing, if we don't see much improvement we'll probably have to part ways in January".
Next question?
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it might be a dumb thread but it bares the question what is the breaking point for all the positive polly's?
this year is a wash and we all knew it would be, with one caveat, no improvement anywhere. if you think getting rid of people on the roster is an improvement then uh, no. and to think all we did was sign choir boys and over-the-top character guys......uh, no.
improvement is better talent. (GONG!)
improvement is better fundamentals from players (GONG!!)
improvement is better performance from the coaching staff (GONG!!!)
improvement is more wins than last year (oops, sorry. unless of course you are tanking the season.
)if it's the same at this time next year i guarantee the same people who are all positive will start to come unglued. just saying.
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Revelatory stuff there mik - people who are giving this year a pass as year one of a complete rebuild won't be happy going 0-16 again. Absolutely outstanding insight there.
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it might be a dumb thread but it bares the question what is the breaking point for all the positive polly's?
this year is a wash and we all knew it would be, with one caveat, no improvement anywhere. if you think getting rid of people on the roster is an improvement then uh, no. and to think all we did was sign choir boys and over-the-top character guys......uh, no.
improvement is better talent. (GONG!)
improvement is better fundamentals from players (GONG!!)
improvement is better performance from the coaching staff (GONG!!!)
improvement is more wins than last year (oops, sorry. unless of course you are tanking the season.
)if it's the same at this time next year i guarantee the same people who are all positive will start to come unglued. just saying.
it might be a dumb thread but it bares the question what is the breaking point for all the positive polly's?
this year is a wash and we all knew it would be, with one caveat, no improvement anywhere. if you think getting rid of people on the roster is an improvement then uh, no. and to think all we did was sign choir boys and over-the-top character guys......uh, no.
improvement is better talent. (GONG!)
improvement is better fundamentals from players (GONG!!)
improvement is better performance from the coaching staff (GONG!!!)
improvement is more wins than last year (oops, sorry. unless of course you are tanking the season.
)if it's the same at this time next year i guarantee the same people who are all positive will start to come unglued. just saying.
The breaking point would probably be the same breaking point it's been this entire time - no evaluation or changes until after year 2.
Just because there's a ton of impatient babies whining about not getting their way now won't change the plan they set out to do.
The random whiny bitches coming out of the woodwork to give us their shitty .02 can buckle up or fuck off for all I, or anyone else, cares.
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I don't know too many people, if ANY, that want Hue Jackson fired. Our defensive coordinator is something different, but right now, I just want EVERYONE to come back. If we did lose our DC, and we had an experienced guy in mind, I'd probably be ok with that. But I would really just like to have some continuity. Have the young guys continue learning the same thing, from the same person.
That being said, I completely agree with those that say Hue Jackson didn't do himself a single favor this year, and should he start the season 0-7, the seat will become HOT indeed. Guys, we needed to see improvement. Even if we lost during the month of December, we HAD to see some rays of sunshine. Right now, what do we have? The ONLY rookie that had a "decent" season was Ogbah, and that's about it guys. We can sit here and say Corey Coleman missed too much time to get in the groove, or he was hamstrung by having shitty QB's, but name ONE play Corey made. Name ONE time where Corey took an ordinary pass, and did something extraordinary. For the record, I'm NOT calling him a bust, but I'm just stating the facts. Anybody seen Tyreke Hill for the Chiefs? That guy can take an ordinary play and make a 60 yard touchdown out of it. Hell, he does it every week it seems.
Nassib? Higgins? Payton? ANY OF THE OTHER BOZOS WE DRAFTED WITH 14 SELECTIONS?!!
Sorry, I need to relax. I can make the argument that Kessler was a decent value in the 3rd round. He has the makings of a decent backup QB, and that's no small thing. Of course, we could've drafted Dak Prescott...but whatever. Other teams missed him too. And yes, I know he wouldn't do the exact thing with the Browns, but the kid is obviously super talented. Just hurts to see us draft SO MANY receivers, only to be left thinking, "Did we get any of them right?" It's still early, but are you guys excited about any of them??? Rookie receivers aren't always quick out of the gates, but Coleman needs to do SOMETHING. Hopefully he turns it on next season, and we have a QB that can get him the damn ball.
I think what scares people is...why are we going to be better next year? Are we really going to hang our hopes on drafting a QB? How many times does THAT work out? There will be a bidding war for Garoppolo because the QB class is so weak. Do we really want to get involved IN THAT?
The main goal for this team was to provide clarity. Clarity for who our QB would be, how our offense would look, and who we could build around on both sides of the ball. Does anybody feel like that clarity arrived? No. No you don't.
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it might be a dumb thread but it bares the question what is the breaking point for all the positive polly's?
this year is a wash and we all knew it would be, with one caveat, no improvement anywhere. if you think getting rid of people on the roster is an improvement then uh, no. and to think all we did was sign choir boys and over-the-top character guys......uh, no.
improvement is better talent. (GONG!)
improvement is better fundamentals from players (GONG!!)
improvement is better performance from the coaching staff (GONG!!!)
improvement is more wins than last year (oops, sorry. unless of course you are tanking the season.
)if it's the same at this time next year i guarantee the same people who are all positive will start to come unglued. just saying.
improvement is better fundamentals from players (GONG!!)
improvement is better performance from the coaching staff (GONG!!!)
Teams literally don't have enough practices to teach fundamentals. Hooray, CBA!
Given both the lack of talent and the lack of time for teaching, I don't see any effective metric to measure coaching staff "performance" -- other than things like Hue Jackson not being able to find his challenge flag within his rolls of belly fat.
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Hearing alot of media people saying to expect changes if we go 0-16. maybe not Hue but actual changes to coaching staff and/or front office. Rizzo says "No changes No tickets" Not renewing his season tickets without changes. Jim Donavan says expect changes if we go 0-16
Rizzo actively calling for Hue Jackson to be fired. Worst coaching in 30 years.
I'd settle for Ray to let go and an OC to be hired and maybe a Football Focused GM added -
rizzo is your hero?
that's so stupid it's funny....
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just pointing out that even the most adamant supporters have turned on Hue at this point.
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just pointing out that even the most adamant supporters have turned on Hue at this point.
just pointing out that even the most adamant supporters have turned on Hue at this point.
So there are no supporters of Jackson left? Take a look around buddy, there are plenty here.
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just pointing out that even the most adamant supporters have turned on Hue at this point.
just pointing out that even the most adamant supporters have turned on Hue at this point.
That's wonderful. But Haslam pulls the strings and said he's not firing Hue after this year, so you can take Rizzo's hot take and shove it right back up your ass.
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January 2nd is going to be a fun day
we'll be able to find out who takes the fall then. I actually had a conspiracy theory a while ago that Sashi Brown was not much more than a glorified fall guy for the scenario that Jackson completely flounders his first year which has come to fruition so maybe it was not so far fetched after all -
Revelatory stuff there mik - people who are giving this year a pass as year one of a complete rebuild won't be happy going 0-16 again. Absolutely outstanding insight there.
Revelatory stuff there mik - people who are giving this year a pass as year one of a complete rebuild won't be happy going 0-16 again. Absolutely outstanding insight there.
That's wonderful. But Haslam pulls the strings and said he's not firing Hue after this year, so you can take Rizzo's hot take and shove it right back up your ass.
HA!! anger and smarm at it's finest from hue supporters!
woo hoo! we'll see.
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Revelatory stuff there mik - people who are giving this year a pass as year one of a complete rebuild won't be happy going 0-16 again. Absolutely outstanding insight there.
Revelatory stuff there mik - people who are giving this year a pass as year one of a complete rebuild won't be happy going 0-16 again. Absolutely outstanding insight there.
if anyone on this board thought we'd be winless this yr, i think you are all full of shit...i know 3-13, 4-12 was my prediction, which is still pretty bad...but 0-16, fuck no, i did not see anyone make a winless prediction on this board at the start of this season...and to make it worse...there is no progress being made..not one iota....that is the worst part...
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I mean, you can't justify 0-16
You can bet they'll try......as will many on this board too.....
The plan.....the plan....
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I know I didn't think we'd go winless, and I'll be the first one to admit it. In fact, I actually thought we'd surprise some people, and start out the season 3-1, or 2-2. I thought we'd start to crash when injuries set in, and we'd finish in the ball park of 5-11. Crazy thing is, I was pretty damn close to being right. We had a very good chance to win some early games. Since then, we've been a joke.
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