I turned Brown
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The Browns left Cleveland then changed their name. The Cleveland gets the Browns team name and uni's again. That's what happened.From one douchebag to another: just giving you the facts Ma'am.
The Browns left Cleveland then changed their name. The Cleveland gets the Browns team name and uni's again. That's what happened.
....and look what they went it did to our uni's!
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Baltimore moves to Indy
St. Louis moves to Arizona
Los Angeles moves to St. Louis
Cleveland moves to Baltimore
Cleveland gets a new franchise
Los Angeles who moved to St. Louis moves back to Los Angeles
...certainly, in hindsight it looks like total madness.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Don't forget about the Oilers moving to Tenn and changing their name as well.
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"One said:
Don't forget about the Oilers moving to Tenn and changing their name as well.
And never forget who has the most being in their trophy case.
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I never thought I would've either. I was a long time Cards fan.
Many factors play in this situation that are consistent with the Browns. The Cards leave Stl and the Browns leave Cleveland. I stuck with the Cards since the move in ' 87. But there has been no fellow fans to share football with even in the down seasons.
Im starting new and the fans in Az don't care about a big fan in Il.
Go Browns!
Uhmm....the Browns NEVER left Cleveland. If you are to be a Browns fan.....know your facts about the team.
Uhmm....the Browns NEVER left Cleveland. If you are to be a Browns fan.....know your facts about the team.
I don't want to argue here, but it took a court injunction to stop Modell from keeping the Browns name, 99.9% sure on that.
EDIT: Modell announced the move in November of 1995. The legal settlement of the "Baltimore Browns" was solved in Feb. of 1996, when Modell was unsuccessful in court and had to keep the "Browns" name in Cleveland, and he was awarded a "new" franchise.
It's semantics to me. He uprooted families of players, coaches, and staff....so yeah, the team moved. And we Clevelanders were vocal enough, somewhat lucky enough, to have this idiotic decision righted (except we get an ugly reminder twice a season to play those Ratbirds).
Go Browns.
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The Browns left Cleveland then changed their name. The Cleveland gets the Browns team name and uni's again. That's what happened.From one douchebag to another: just giving you the facts Ma'am.
The Browns left Cleveland then changed their name. The Cleveland gets the Browns team name and uni's again. That's what happened.
No, it isn't. You lose this debate. You are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to facts that are not accurate.
Who left Cleveland? Art Modell, some of his FO, some of his players. Maybe some equipment. That is it.
The franchise stayed here. The operations of the Cleveland Browns stayed here (run by NFL appointed Trustee Bill Futterer). The Berea HQs never discontinued operating. (had a shorter staff because of no on field activity). There was no "again" in terms of the team name and uniforms etc. They NEVER went anywhere....always stayed with the Cleveland Browns franchise.
Sorry Cardinal fan if you are just learning this 21 years later, but those ARE the facts.
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The Browns left Cleveland then changed their name. The Cleveland gets the Browns team name and uni's again. That's what happened.
....and look what they went it did to our uni's!
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Baltimore moves to Indy
St. Louis moves to Arizona
Los Angeles moves to St. Louis
Cleveland moves to Baltimore
Cleveland gets a new franchise
Los Angeles who moved to St. Louis moves back to Los Angeles
...certainly, in hindsight it looks like total madness.
....and look what they went it did to our uni's!
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Baltimore moves to Indy
St. Louis moves to Arizona
Los Angeles moves to St. Louis
Cleveland moves to Baltimore
Browns didn't move to Baltimore
Cleveland gets a new franchise
Baltimore got the new franchise.....again these are the Facts. Sorry if you are clueless about them. (and it would be better to use the name of the teams that did actually move....I don't think the earth shook and Los Angeles ended up in the middle of the country....the Rams franchise did move all those times. The Browns franchise never moved at all, ever.
Los Angeles who moved to St. Louis moves back to Los Angeles
...certainly, in hindsight it looks like total madness.
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"One said:
Don't forget about the Oilers moving to Tenn and changing their name as well.
And never forget who has the most being in their trophy case.
And never forget who has the most being in their trophy case.
The Green Bay Packers have the most. That is indisputable.
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Uhmm....the Browns NEVER left Cleveland. If you are to be a Browns fan.....know your facts about the team.
I don't want to argue here, but it took a court injunction to stop Modell from keeping the Browns name, 99.9% sure on that.
EDIT: Modell announced the move in November of 1995. The legal settlement of the "Baltimore Browns" was solved in Feb. of 1996, when Modell was unsuccessful in court and had to keep the "Browns" name in Cleveland, and he was awarded a "new" franchise.
It's semantics to me. He uprooted families of players, coaches, and staff....so yeah, the team moved. And we Clevelanders were vocal enough, somewhat lucky enough, to have this idiotic decision righted (except we get an ugly reminder twice a season to play those Ratbirds).
Go Browns.
I don't want to argue here, but it took a court injunction to stop Modell from keeping the Browns name, 99.9% sure on that.
Right....no one is claiming that there was not an "attempt" to move the Browns. Modell certainly did attempt to do so.
Modell was like Sara Jane Moore or Squeaky Fromme....they took their shots at Gerald Ford in an attempt to kill him, but missed.
Or, perhaps he is more like John Hinkley....he took his shot and wounded Reagan, but was not successful in his attempt. Modell....as history seems to show, wounded the Browns ....but he too was not successful.
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The Browns left Cleveland then changed their name. The Cleveland gets the Browns team name and uni's again. That's what happened.
No, it isn't. You lose this debate. You are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to facts that are not accurate.
Who left Cleveland? Art Modell, some of his FO, some of his players. Maybe some equipment. That is it.
The franchise stayed here. The operations of the Cleveland Browns stayed here (run by NFL appointed Trustee Bill Futterer). The Berea HQs never discontinued operating. (had a shorter staff because of no on field activity). There was no "again" in terms of the team name and uniforms etc. They NEVER went anywhere....always stayed with the Cleveland Browns franchise.
Sorry Cardinal fan if you are just learning this 21 years later, but those ARE the facts.
Whatever.No, it isn't. You lose this debate. You are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to facts that are not accurate.
Who left Cleveland? Art Modell, some of his FO, some of his players. Maybe some equipment. That is it.
The franchise stayed here. The operations of the Cleveland Browns stayed here (run by NFL appointed Trustee Bill Futterer). The Berea HQs never discontinued operating. (had a shorter staff because of no on field activity). There was no "again" in terms of the team name and uniforms etc. They NEVER went anywhere....always stayed with the Cleveland Browns franchise.
Sorry Cardinal fan if you are just learning this 21 years later, but those ARE the facts.
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Whatever.No, it isn't. You lose this debate. You are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to facts that are not accurate.
Who left Cleveland? Art Modell, some of his FO, some of his players. Maybe some equipment. That is it.
The franchise stayed here. The operations of the Cleveland Browns stayed here (run by NFL appointed Trustee Bill Futterer). The Berea HQs never discontinued operating. (had a shorter staff because of no on field activity). There was no "again" in terms of the team name and uniforms etc. They NEVER went anywhere....always stayed with the Cleveland Browns franchise.
Sorry Cardinal fan if you are just learning this 21 years later, but those ARE the facts.
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After the Modell left how many years did it take to have the Browns play another game in Cleveland. Ya that's what I thought.Yes, these facts are the What, and they are forever.
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After the Modell left how many years did it take to have the Browns play another game in Cleveland. Ya that's what I thought.Yes, these facts are the What, and they are forever.
After the Modell left how many years did it take to have the Browns play another game in Cleveland. Ya that's what I thought.
Three years. Again, part of the historical record. They went on hiatus until a few things could be accomplished: A. Find a new owner B. Build the new stadium C. Replenish the player pool. It was all agreed to and planned that way. Again, are you just now learning this?
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After the Modell left how many years did it take to have the Browns play another game in Cleveland. Ya that's what I thought.
Three years. Again, part of the historical record. They went on hiatus until a few things could be accomplished: A. Find a new owner B. Build the new stadium C. Replenish the player pool. It was all agreed to and planned that way. Again, are you just now learning this?
No just clarifying your honor.Three years. Again, part of the historical record. They went on hiatus until a few things could be accomplished: A. Find a new owner B. Build the new stadium C. Replenish the player pool. It was all agreed to and planned that way. Again, are you just now learning this?
So if the Browns had a franchise then why didn't they play anyone? They were playing in Baltimore dumbass. Lol
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I gotta go. Catch you later Gip.
I understand the love for the Browns stay in Cleveland. But the team left and changed their name. It's a sad thing.
Go Browns and don't call me anything else.
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No just clarifying your honor.Three years. Again, part of the historical record. They went on hiatus until a few things could be accomplished: A. Find a new owner B. Build the new stadium C. Replenish the player pool. It was all agreed to and planned that way. Again, are you just now learning this?
So if the Browns had a franchise then why didn't they play anyone? They were playing in Baltimore dumbass. Lol
No just clarifying your honor.
So if the Browns had a franchise then why didn't they play anyone? They were playing in Baltimore dumbass. Lol
No, dumbass.....you have no clue what a "franchise" is apparently. A franchise can and has existed even though it does not field a team. It has happened more than once in history. It has happened to the Rams, the Steelers...and even the Cardinals.
When an expansion franchise is created....it is still a franchise upon its creation. It may not take the field for a couple of years, yet that franchise still exists. Happened with the Jag/Panthers/Texans etc.
Not sure why you are so obtuse over this concept.
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I gotta go. Catch you later Gip.
I understand the love for the Browns stay in Cleveland. But the team left and changed their name. It's a sad thing.
Go Browns and don't call me anything else.
I gotta go. Catch you later Gip.
I understand the love for the Browns stay in Cleveland. But the team left and changed their name. It's a sad thing.
Go Browns and don't call me anything else.
Well, it didn't....and if you want to wager and lose your hard earned money to me, I will be glad to take it from you.
The Browns franchise stayed in Cleveland. A new franchise was created in Baltimore.
These are historical facts.....as much as is the fact that the North won the Civil War. An atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Lincoln and Kennedy were assasinated.
Historical facts.
Lemonade...its delicious.
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I gotta go. Catch you later Gip.
I understand the love for the Browns stay in Cleveland. But the team left and changed their name. It's a sad thing.
Go Browns and don't call me anything else.
Well, it didn't....and if you want to wager and lose your hard earned money to me, I will be glad to take it from you.
The Browns franchise stayed in Cleveland. A new franchise was created in Baltimore.
These are historical facts.....as much as is the fact that the North won the Civil War. An atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Lincoln and Kennedy were assasinated.
Historical facts.
Lemonade...its delicious.
Well, it didn't....and if you want to wager and lose your hard earned money to me, I will be glad to take it from you.
The Browns franchise stayed in Cleveland. A new franchise was created in Baltimore.
These are historical facts.....as much as is the fact that the North won the Civil War. An atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Lincoln and Kennedy were assasinated.
Historical facts.
Lemonade...its delicious.
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I gotta go. Catch you later Gip.
I understand the love for the Browns stay in Cleveland. But the team left and changed their name. It's a sad thing.
Go Browns and don't call me anything else.
Well, it didn't....and if you want to wager and lose your hard earned money to me, I will be glad to take it from you.
The Browns franchise stayed in Cleveland. A new franchise was created in Baltimore.
These are historical facts.....as much as is the fact that the North won the Civil War. An atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Lincoln and Kennedy were assasinated.
Historical facts.
Lemonade...its delicious.
Ok Gip you win.Well, it didn't....and if you want to wager and lose your hard earned money to me, I will be glad to take it from you.
The Browns franchise stayed in Cleveland. A new franchise was created in Baltimore.
These are historical facts.....as much as is the fact that the North won the Civil War. An atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Lincoln and Kennedy were assasinated.
Historical facts.
Lemonade...its delicious.
The Browns left Cleveland and moved to Baltimore then changed their name. If any record of the Ravens being the Ravens before the move I see your point. But hey Gip you're the man.
I like the Browns now and fuck the Cards, anyway you slice it don't doubt my fandom. Peace.
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No just clarifying your honor.
So if the Browns had a franchise then why didn't they play anyone? They were playing in Baltimore dumbass. Lol
No, dumbass.....you have no clue what a "franchise" is apparently. A franchise can and has existed even though it does not field a team. It has happened more than once in history. It has happened to the Rams, the Steelers...and even the Cardinals.
When an expansion franchise is created....it is still a franchise upon its creation. It may not take the field for a couple of years, yet that franchise still exists. Happened with the Jag/Panthers/Texans etc.
Not sure why you are so obtuse over this concept.
Ok so a franchise has no owner or players or coaches much less a stadium? No money or play an nfl game in three years. Yep I'm a dumbass. Hey here in virden il I dream of an nfl team so I guess I have a franchise.No, dumbass.....you have no clue what a "franchise" is apparently. A franchise can and has existed even though it does not field a team. It has happened more than once in history. It has happened to the Rams, the Steelers...and even the Cardinals.
When an expansion franchise is created....it is still a franchise upon its creation. It may not take the field for a couple of years, yet that franchise still exists. Happened with the Jag/Panthers/Texans etc.
Not sure why you are so obtuse over this concept.
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