Ogbahs leading us in sacks...
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OK... don't use a R1 on a true frosh... got it.
Look... I've said Joey is doing well. He may supply you with salt to rub in for a decade. But pace yourself and keep your eyes open. He's made errors. Gave up the edge to a bounce by Freeman IIRC in the ATL game. Came close to running him down from behind, but no cigar.
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Many deadhorses will be severely beaten for a long time to come i reckon
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Many deadhorses will be severely beaten for a long time to come i reckon
Many deadhorses will be severely beaten for a long time to come i reckon
It hurts seeing home grown talent right down the road blow up in your face after the team has passed on them.
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Many deadhorses will be severely beaten for a long time to come i reckon
It hurts seeing home grown talent right down the road blow up in your face after the team has passed on them.
It hurts seeing home grown talent right down the road blow up in your face after the team has passed on them.
The Browns certainly have a tendency of doing that.
I mean, think about it. If in the last say 6-8 years if they had just taken the highest rated OSU player available to them in round one they clearly would be a lot better off.:
2016: Bosa, Elliot, Eli Apple all could have been had rather than the trade down for Coleman.
2015: While Shelton is a better pick than any OSU player coming out this year, Devin Smith...while not doing that well....is no worse a pick than Cam Erving
2014: Ryan Shazier would have been a better pick than Justin Gilbert. Bradley Roby a better pick than John P. Manziel
2013: Jonathan Hankins would have been a better pick than Barkevious Mingo
2012: Mike Adams and Devier Posey have not been great....but were better picks than Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden
2011: Cam Heyward would have been a better pick than Phil Taylor
(starting with 2010 and going back it may not have been the case)
Notice that the Pissburgh Steelers DO have a penchant for going after Ohio St. players...Heyward/Adams/Shazier all higher picks.
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The Hybrid 275lbs DE's in Ogbah & Naz are getting knocked sideways by over 300lb lineman at DE..let them run clean with the 255 lbs.Orchard-less & Schobert's of the world. Got my $$ on OB & Naz to get there with speed
Did u watch ogbah take that tackle and put him in daltons lap? Naz too has been getting better at holding guys off him. None of em do it like bosa does now but we knew our picks needed development. Im encouraged that i see them getting a lil faster and stronger every week
Did u watch ogbah take that tackle and put him in daltons lap? Naz too has been getting better at holding guys off him. None of em do it like bosa does now but we knew our picks needed development. Im encouraged that i see them getting a lil faster and stronger every week
What I saw was OB getting away with a illegal use of hands driving Ogbi back & neck to Daltons lap
. Our back end sucks so bad right now, my point is get X.Coop,Meder,Shelton,Pena Hands in dirt (4). It looked ok when Naz was out with Balt/Mia/Skins (-30 per game?). Let Kirksey Ogbah & Naz go run down a RB or even better go get there a$$ to a QB (3)..My Bosa boner ended on draft night & when his mother opened her mouth about $$..No Way, he/she wanted to come to Cleveland.. -
Many deadhorses will be severely beaten for a long time to come i reckon
It hurts seeing home grown talent right down the road blow up in your face after the team has passed on them.
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Zombo said:
Let's not forget the homegrown talent we brought in that blew up in our face.
Quinn, Frye, Robiskie, Craig Powell ...
Zombo
LeBron (oops, wrong sport),
Groza, Warfield, Motley, Lavelli, Willis (they brought in LeBeau but let him go) Jim Marshall, also let him go.
Dick Shafrath, Jim Houston, Tom DeLeone
Donte Whitner...some. (we could certainly still use him now)
(they tried with Spielman and Pepper Johnson)
Cousineau? not so much.
Don Shula.....John Carroll
Warren Lahr.....Case WR
Josh Cribbs....Kent St.
Vince Costello...Ohio U
John Greco....Toledo
Ernie Kellerman...Miami
Not so bad here with all these.
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Bosa is going to be great! Ezekiel Elliot is great! The Browns passed on both! Go back to a 4-3 for crying out loud! Browns defense is an embarrassment to professional sports. Their perfect season is going to be a reality and they better draft a franchise QB!
Get rid of Sashi and Podesta, hire some scouts who actually know talent and put the muzzle on Haslam! Haslam is no Kraft or Jerry Jones that's for sure!
DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD! -
Bosa is going to be great! Ezekiel Elliot is great! The Browns passed on both! Go back to a 4-3 for crying out loud! Browns defense is an embarrassment to professional sports. Their perfect season is going to be a reality and they better draft a franchise QB!
Get rid of Sashi and Podesta, hire some scouts who actually know talent and put the muzzle on Haslam! Haslam is no Kraft or Jerry Jones that's for sure!
Bosa is going to be great! Ezekiel Elliot is great! The Browns passed on both! Go back to a 4-3 for crying out loud! Browns defense is an embarrassment to professional sports. Their perfect season is going to be a reality and they better draft a franchise QB!
Get rid of Sashi and Podesta, hire some scouts who actually know talent and put the muzzle on Haslam! Haslam is no Kraft or Jerry Jones that's for sure!
There it is, boys. It's all clear now.
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Bosa is going to be great! Ezekiel Elliot is great! The Browns passed on both! Go back to a 4-3 for crying out loud! Browns defense is an embarrassment to professional sports. Their perfect season is going to be a reality and they better draft a franchise QB!
Get rid of Sashi and Podesta, hire some scouts who actually know talent and put the muzzle on Haslam! Haslam is no Kraft or Jerry Jones that's for sure!
There it is, boys. It's all clear now.
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Best our dfense looked was in the beginning of the season in the base 4-3.
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Ogbah has come on, although he wasn't rated highly in the Titans game. In fact, he got OWNED by their stud OL. Badly. However, his two sacks last week were VERY nice, and his bull rush is getting better. We need our secondary to play better so we can get some "coverage sacks", but that won't happen. I will officially freak out if Ogbah gets two more this weekend.
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I don't care what alignment they call it [5-2?] as long as they don't assign ogbah or nassib to "cover" RB's in the flat. Really, to cover anything anywhere.
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Ogbah will get some coverage duties at a guess. He's 6'4" and runs a 4.6 40. He's got the physicality to cover tight ends if the play calls for it.
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Ogbah will get some coverage duties at a guess. He's 6'4" and runs a 4.6 40. He's got the physicality to cover tight ends if the play calls for it.
Ogbah will get some coverage duties at a guess. He's 6'4" and runs a 4.6 40. He's got the physicality to cover tight ends if the play calls for it.
I know that 4.6 40 sounds impressive but its no pads and a steaight line. Covering TE's like gronk, eifert etc, require agility as well. Stopping and going and whatnot. Its not something i wantbthem making ogbah do alot. He should drop in a zone and kill what comes near him like what harrissin did for pgh all those years
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He MIGHT get some more coverage duties, but in my humble opinion, he's not suited for it. He seems very "rigid" to me, and not fluid. Doesn't change direction well, doesn't appear to be agile. Straight line speed? Oh yeah. Agility? Eh...
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Ogbah will get some coverage duties at a guess. He's 6'4" and runs a 4.6 40. He's got the physicality to cover tight ends if the play calls for it.
I know that 4.6 40 sounds impressive but its no pads and a steaight line. Covering TE's like gronk, eifert etc, require agility as well. Stopping and going and whatnot. Its not something i wantbthem making ogbah do alot. He should drop in a zone and kill what comes near him like what harrissin did for pgh all those years
I know that 4.6 40 sounds impressive but its no pads and a steaight line. Covering TE's like gronk, eifert etc, require agility as well. Stopping and going and whatnot. Its not something i wantbthem making ogbah do alot. He should drop in a zone and kill what comes near him like what harrissin did for pgh all those years
Gronk's 3 cone drill was 7.18s, Ogbah 7.26.
Gronk's 20yd shuttle was 4.47. Ogbah 4.50
Gronk's 10/40yd splits were 1.58/4.68. Ogbah's 1.58/4.56
So tell me again how Ogbah lacks the 'agility' to cover a tight end. Of and for fun, Ogbah had 2 inches over gronk in both the vertical and broad. But I'm sure you're right...
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I know that 4.6 40 sounds impressive but its no pads and a steaight line. Covering TE's like gronk, eifert etc, require agility as well. Stopping and going and whatnot. Its not something i wantbthem making ogbah do alot. He should drop in a zone and kill what comes near him like what harrissin did for pgh all those years
Gronk's 3 cone drill was 7.18s, Ogbah 7.26.
Gronk's 20yd shuttle was 4.47. Ogbah 4.50
Gronk's 10/40yd splits were 1.58/4.68. Ogbah's 1.58/4.56
So tell me again how Ogbah lacks the 'agility' to cover a tight end. Of and for fun, Ogbah had 2 inches over gronk in both the vertical and broad. But I'm sure you're right...
Gronk's 3 cone drill was 7.18s, Ogbah 7.26.
Gronk's 20yd shuttle was 4.47. Ogbah 4.50
Gronk's 10/40yd splits were 1.58/4.68. Ogbah's 1.58/4.56
So tell me again how Ogbah lacks the 'agility' to cover a tight end. Of and for fun, Ogbah had 2 inches over gronk in both the vertical and broad. But I'm sure you're right...
My eyes told me he was rigid and lacked a bit of agility. Running tests are a great way to determine a player's aptitude, but they certainly aren't the "be all, end all" measuring stick. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows? I sure HOPE I'm freaking wrong. Here are some excerpts from professional analysts:
"He's stiff and upright so he has no counters as a rusher and then he doesn't even play hard all the time. If you are going to be the hulk, then play hard all the time."
"Shows some stiffness in his hips and is not a dynamic athlete."
"Upon first glance, Ogbah appears unimpressive because he doesn't play with the quickness or athleticism expected of productive pass rushers, but eventually, his translatable qualities avail themselves."
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A player's aptitude? Things like the three cone drill directly relate to how quickly a player can change direction, and that's what cleve was saying Ogbah can't do well enough to cover gronk. I'm saying, his change of direction is on par with Gronk's. Perhaps not someone like Sproles, but a tight end should be coverable.
That stuff about his stiffness or whatever, that relates to pass rushing.
Cheers 
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