Sashi's Real Plan (supposedly)

hoorta

@mudfly said:

I cant get with the idea that they are trying to lose or that the #1 was their goal.....not seeing it.....Especially since there is no clear target at the #1.....ala an Andrew Luck or something...that is worth losing a whole season over.....

(and, as Tour so astutely pointed out, the value drops w/o a super prospect at the top)....so tank a whole season for ???? who?

Grossi was on the radio yesterday and played a Shashi sound bite from earlier this season....and the basic gist was Shashi saying they are planning to win this year and show immediate, measurable improvement......and when asked how many wins would be an improvement 4 or 5?.....his reply was "any less than that would be a major disappointment.....soooo, less than 4-5 wins are a major disappointment, as per Shashi(the plans architect)....so, what would that make 0-16, a major what?....success?.....nope

I dont think he would have said that if tanking all the games was his plan......he woulda talked around it......

Honestly think "he" thought they would win......and was wrong....simple as that

What a joyous 2nd half.

@tour2ma said:

Still not buying the tank...

Also still can't believe the FO is "shocked"...

Tour- I'm gonna spew in a new thread. I thought another loss wouldn't hurt. But this is BS, it sucks, and I can't take it anymore.

Tour2ma

@hoorta said:
Tour- I'm gonna spew in a new thread. I thought another loss wouldn't hurt. But this is BS, it sucks, and I can't take it anymore.

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do...

ballpeen

@orion said:

Do you mean so we can get 'better' players instead of backups and special teamers?

Blasphemy!

...how are you ballpeen? It's me, aka VetteDawg...

Dang Vette.....how the heck are you?? Well I hope! I am doing fine...well....except for the Browns, but in the big scheme, that is small potatos.

Orion

I'm well...'cept for this hernia thing ....Glad you are well! The Browns certainly are small potatoes...in any scheme.

Tour2ma

Sports hernia?

Orion

@tour2ma said:
Sports hernia?

My only sport now is golf. Groinal. surgeon consultation next week. Golf tomorrow morning though...

D Bone

Nothing good comes after the word Groinal

miktoxic

@d-bone said:
Nothing good comes after the word Groinal

unless the word is maximus.

BaconHound

Sashi in over his head.

hoorta

@londonbrown said:

Find it bizarre that people honestly think the likes of Podesta and Sashi are stupid enough to have walked in and thought let's just do the same as baseball.

Everything you've thought of they've thought of and a lot more. They're not idiots. The total opposite.

Stoidi's. That's idiots spelled backwards.

@baconhound said:
Sashi in over his head.

But- but- he went to Harvard- he must be really smart. When it comes to Harvard- money talks. My former bosses' kid, National Merit Scholar- decided not to apply, because it would cost $500 bucks just to hear Harvard say "you're not good enough". OTOH, the other guy's kid gets in because dad donated a couple million to Harvard's bloated endowment fund.

Zombo

@stillmotion said:

But they're not genius' either.....

Actually they probably are. Harvard attorney who rose to the head of a major sports franchise by age 40 and nerd who rewrote Baseball analysis.

This sucks. But it's not about this year.

Let's hope Philly gets back on that losing track, so the draft currency grows.

Z

TexasAg1969

Zombo said:

Actually they probably are. Harvard attorney who rose to the head of a major sports franchise by age 40 and nerd who rewrote Baseball analysis.

This sucks. But it's not about this year.

Let's hope Philly gets back on that losing track, so the draft currency grows.

Z

They have Seahawks, Cowboys and Cincy still yet to play.

Unsympathetic

@baconhound said:
Sashi in over his head.

Nope. He knew exactly where he was, and what he got himself into. I think you may have confused the Browns with a team containing NFL-level talent.

miktoxic

@unsympathetic said:
Nope. He knew exactly where he was, and what he got himself into. I think you may have confused the Browns with a team containing NFL-level talent.

But isn't he now in charge of drafting and signing talent? I know we all knew this team was gonna stink either purposefully or not BUT given the extraordinary # of picks he had last year and to see not one blue-chipper on the roster is disturbing.

Tour2ma

@texasag1969 said:

They have Seahawks, Cowboys and Cincy still yet to play.

Cakewalk...

@miktoxic said:
But isn't he now in charge of drafting and signing talent? I know we all knew this team was gonna stink either purposefully or not BUT given the extraordinary # of picks he had last year and to see not one blue-chipper on the roster is disturbing.

No, he's not. At least not as I understand his role.

In assessing talent:

He has the final say, if necessary, but his primary job is to facilitate consensus between the scouts and the analytics boys. When they can't agree he makes the call based upon the best argument he hears. And odds are that call is to pass on the player being debated.

In negotiating:

Much bigger role, but again the worth of the player, be it his place on the big board or size of a contract offer, will come out of the assessment process.

miktoxic

So he's just there to give advice based on his numbers/analytics?

I thought he was the GM?

flyingfooldoug

@miktoxic said:

So he's just there to give advice based on his numbers/analytics?

I thought he was the GM?

Jimmy, Dee Dee, Stosh and Depo are the GM. Kinda like a 4 headed ?

TexasAg1969

@flyingfooldoug said:
Jimmy, Dee Dee, Stosh and Depo are the GM. Kinda like a 4 headed ?

An "Aha!" moment!! That explains the 4 WR draft!!

flyingfooldoug

@texasag1969 said:
An "Aha!" moment!! That explains the 4 WR draft!!

Didn't think of that one. Makes sense in a strange way.

Tour2ma

@miktoxic said:
So he's just there to give advice based on his numbers/analytics? I thought he was the GM?

No and no... and again all that follows is per my understanding going back to the announcement of our new FO organization.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/front-office.html

Sashi is the "Executive Vice President, Football Operations". Functionally he is the "GM" for contracts, but he's not a talent evaluator in the mold of a traditional GM who rises through the scouting organization.

He is there to:

hear arguments of analytics, scouting and coaching staff;
drive consensus when necessary, but...
weigh the arguments and decide when it becomes clear that consensus cannot be reached.

In short... he is there to blend the three views presented to him by facilitation to consensus where possible, but by decision where necessary.

I'd expect the process is the same, albeit involving different departments with different weightings, depending on whether the decision is about:

determining needs - staff, analytics and pro scouting
rating draft prospects - college scouting, analytics and staff
rating FA prospects - pro scouting, analytics and staff
determining each prospect's value - analytics with our "cap guru"... who is likely in the Player Personnel department.

Order of the above departments is my guesstimate of their relative "weight". I would not be surprised if their order is shuffled based upon feedback of decisions made... actually I would be surprised if it were not.

I would also expect that the process is not only for the current and upcoming season, but also out 2 or 3 years. Certainly with less emphasis (and certainty) in the out years, but time should be spent on underclassmen (especially those that might declare) and vets hitting FA including our own.

I would not be surprised if the majority of the time all departments are generally in agreement on a given need or prospect, i.e., "consensus" is there from the start. But when they are not... it's on Sashi to either build a consensus or make the call. If the disagreement is great enough, then I think his default decision would be to take a pass. Exceptions might be distributed evenly to the various departments effectively throwing each "a bone" if the downside cost is not too great, e.g., drafting a dark-horse QB with a 3rd round compensatory pick. At least split-decision bones create data for the feedback loop.

Output of the processes would obviously include our draft board and FA plan, both after multiple passes thru the process, but a player budget proposal and expected W/L impact to take to Jimmah are also required. Certainly Sashi&Co.has an idea going in of what the preliminary player budget is, but Jimmah has to approve the final budget.

After all.. it is a business... and the above is a business process. Is it precisely the business process we are employing? Nah... just an educated guess having spent most of my last ten working years studying and building such processes.

There will be a quiz later...