Why McCown for Kessler
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This was a bad move by coach Jackson. It sucks. Learn from it. Move on. This alone is not reason to turn on him. He's learning along with our players, along with our front office, along with our owner.
Be patient.
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And I totally disagree with tiam and cal that this was a good move. This completely took the air out of the entire team. You could tell they were all like "wtf?" and the defense, in addition to being in a state of questioning the move, then had to go play after McCown pretty much immediately throws a pick.
That'll deflate you.
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Putting McCown in, with his experience, was not a bad thing. It just didn't make any difference.
Absolute nonsense. They cant pick and choose, they rid of us of any "experience" so why would you not run with the no experience?
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Spark...
Spark? ROTFL Tour. McClown was the ABC multi-purpose fire extinguisher on any momentum we had. Did Hue tell Cody- "Look real close son, THAT'S how you lose a game."
0-9, desperate team, desperate coach in a close game. By now the losses weigh very heavy on you.
They ain't heavy, they're my brothers. Hey Hue, we're ten games in- you mantra "we have to play better" don't mean shit.
Let us not also forget about having to call a TO before the first play of the game because we had 12 men on the field...... < That, and benching your 3rd round "Trust Me" pick of the future are 2 prime examples of how not to coach in the NFL.
Two TOs in the first 5 minutes- just special.
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And I totally disagree with tiam and cal that this was a good move. This completely took the air out of the entire team. You could tell they were all like "wtf?" and the defense, in addition to being in a state of questioning the move, then had to go play after McCown pretty much immediately throws a pick.
That'll deflate you.
And I totally disagree with tiam and cal that this was a good move. This completely took the air out of the entire team. You could tell they were all like "wtf?" and the defense, in addition to being in a state of questioning the move, then had to go play after McCown pretty much immediately throws a pick.
That'll deflate you.
Never said it was a good move. I said I understood why .
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If Kessler looked rattled all the more you leave him in there. Experience is what makes a young quarterback grow! This wasn't exactly a "must win playoff game"
I thought Hue would at least evaluate Kessler under pressure? Now we will never know and Kessler has probably lost his confidence. The score was close and McClown's second attempt was intercepted.
How do you defend such ineptitude week after week, year after year? Dysfunctional Front office, An owner who has no football instincts, a coach who can't even manage the first quarter without burning two timeouts!
The Browns are a mess, Hue Sucks!
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And I totally disagree with tiam and cal that this was a good move. This completely took the air out of the entire team. You could tell they were all like "wtf?" and the defense, in addition to being in a state of questioning the move, then had to go play after McCown pretty much immediately throws a pick.
That'll deflate you.
I agree! Putting McCown in as QB in a close, winnable game looked like Hue was punishing his team for playing good football the first half. Hue sure knew how to let the wind out of their sails! I keep thinking the Movie Major League was just a Movie. Nobody loses on purpose! But that's what everyone around the league is thinking. We're tanking! But for what player? It's not a good enough draft class for them to 0-16And I totally disagree with tiam and cal that this was a good move. This completely took the air out of the entire team. You could tell they were all like "wtf?" and the defense, in addition to being in a state of questioning the move, then had to go play after McCown pretty much immediately throws a pick.
That'll deflate you.
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This was a bad move by coach Jackson. It sucks. Learn from it. Move on. This alone is not reason to turn on him. He's learning along with our players, along with our front office, along with our owner.
Be patient.
This was a bad move by coach Jackson. It sucks. Learn from it. Move on. This alone is not reason to turn on him. He's learning along with our players, along with our front office, along with our owner.
Be patient.
He coached 8 games in oakland for the raiders.. Im not buying the rookie coach excuse.. Hue blows...
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Was listening to CBD earlier this week and here is my best guess as to why Hue pulled Kessler. He met with Kessler this week to tell him he needs to stop ignoring downfield plays that are open. Apparently Kessler continued to do so last night so he pulled him to drive the message home. We won't know if it was the right decision for Kessler's future until next game.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Spark...
Kess bailed early a couple times and looked rattled. Hindsight might be one thing but at the time bringing in the vet while you settled down the rookie isn't a terrible move.
0-9, desperate team, desperate coach in a close game. By now the losses weigh very heavy on you.
From the view on the field from behind our bench, these our true. Hue tried to Spark his team with a chance of Expanding the Playbook with JMc. Kess did bail on plays due to poor OL play & poorly ran WR routes. Kess's limited playbook, ran out & Kess's slow anticipation, was a pick waiting to happen, imo. Both problems continued, leading to more dink n dunk. Balt. decided not to be embarrassed by a win less team & started playing with fire in 2nd half. We have not all season. Our serious problem is OL pass blocking & WR's poorly running routes (roundoffs), including Pryor.Our conditioning & "Want to" has not matched any team we have played in 2nd half. Travel with Dad & his band of Midshipman to head to Annapolis later today..Tulsa at Navy..The March In awaits & hey it Veterans Day, this was only a game...HAPPY VETERANS DAY TO ALL OUR BOARD MEMBER VETERANS..BLESSED & THANK YOU..
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Was listening to CBD earlier this week and here is my best guess as to why Hue pulled Kessler. He met with Kessler this week to tell him he needs to stop ignoring downfield plays that are open. Apparently Kessler continued to do so last night so he pulled him to drive the message home. We won't know if it was the right decision for Kessler's future until next game.
Was listening to CBD earlier this week and here is my best guess as to why Hue pulled Kessler. He met with Kessler this week to tell him he needs to stop ignoring downfield plays that are open. Apparently Kessler continued to do so last night so he pulled him to drive the message home. We won't know if it was the right decision for Kessler's future until next game.
Yep, I read that Hue "was tired of seeing plays being missed".
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Also, I watched the Network's post game show with Steve Smith, and both Irvin and Faulk started to laugh uncontrollably (like when in church type laugh) when Rich said that during the game, "they both noted the lack of velocity on the ball on the out routes"..... It was uncomfortable to watch.
First I was pissed that they would have the unprofessionalism to laugh at a fellow player, but once that wore off, it sank in that what those two HoFs saw live and in person, must have been so noticeably weak from what they expect to see from a starting NFL QB, that it just made them laugh...... Not a warm and fuzzy thought.
Kess's arm strength will not improve with coaching..... sorry it just wont. You can either throw a 96mph fastball, or you can't.
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Also, I watched the Network's post game show with Steve Smith, and both Irvin and Faulk started to laugh uncontrollably (like when in church type laugh) when Rich said that during the game, "they both noted the lack of velocity on the ball on the out routes"..... It was uncomfortable to watch.
First I was pissed that they would have the unprofessionalism to laugh at a fellow player, but once that wore off, it sank in that what those two HoFs saw live and in person, must have been so noticeably weak from what they expect to see from a starting NFL QB, that it just made them laugh...... Not a warm and fuzzy thought.
Kess's arm strength will not improve with coaching..... sorry it just wont. You can either throw a 96mph fastball, or you can't.
Also, I watched the Network's post game show with Steve Smith, and both Irvin and Faulk started to laugh uncontrollably (like when in church type laugh) when Rich said that during the game, "they both noted the lack of velocity on the ball on the out routes"..... It was uncomfortable to watch.
First I was pissed that they would have the unprofessionalism to laugh at a fellow player, but once that wore off, it sank in that what those two HoFs saw live and in person, must have been so noticeably weak from what they expect to see from a starting NFL QB, that it just made them laugh...... Not a warm and fuzzy thought.
Kess's arm strength will not improve with coaching..... sorry it just wont. You can either throw a 96mph fastball, or you can't.
The North Carolina/Duke game was on last night at the same time as the Browns. I switched over at time during commercials etc. to try to catch Tribisky. The zing on his arm compared to Kessler seemed night and day.
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Also, I watched the Network's post game show with Steve Smith, and both Irvin and Faulk started to laugh uncontrollably (like when in church type laugh) when Rich said that during the game, "they both noted the lack of velocity on the ball on the out routes"..... It was uncomfortable to watch.
First I was pissed that they would have the unprofessionalism to laugh at a fellow player, but once that wore off, it sank in that what those two HoFs saw live and in person, must have been so noticeably weak from what they expect to see from a starting NFL QB, that it just made them laugh...... Not a warm and fuzzy thought.
Kess's arm strength will not improve with coaching..... sorry it just wont. You can either throw a 96mph fastball, or you can't.
Also, I watched the Network's post game show with Steve Smith, and both Irvin and Faulk started to laugh uncontrollably (like when in church type laugh) when Rich said that during the game, "they both noted the lack of velocity on the ball on the out routes"..... It was uncomfortable to watch.
First I was pissed that they would have the unprofessionalism to laugh at a fellow player, but once that wore off, it sank in that what those two HoFs saw live and in person, must have been so noticeably weak from what they expect to see from a starting NFL QB, that it just made them laugh...... Not a warm and fuzzy thought.
Kess's arm strength will not improve with coaching..... sorry it just wont. You can either throw a 96mph fastball, or you can't.
Of course it doesn't improve with coaching. It improves with footwork and strength training.
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That was Hue's fault and he'll have to do better
That was Hue's fault and he'll have to do better
another stupid fucking coach....fucking baby huey....
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Also, I watched the Network's post game show with Steve Smith, and both Irvin and Faulk started to laugh uncontrollably (like when in church type laugh) when Rich said that during the game, "they both noted the lack of velocity on the ball on the out routes"..... It was uncomfortable to watch.
First I was pissed that they would have the unprofessionalism to laugh at a fellow player, but once that wore off, it sank in that what those two HoFs saw live and in person, must have been so noticeably weak from what they expect to see from a starting NFL QB, that it just made them laugh...... Not a warm and fuzzy thought.
Kess's arm strength will not improve with coaching..... sorry it just wont. You can either throw a 96mph fastball, or you can't.
The North Carolina/Duke game was on last night at the same time as the Browns. I switched over at time during commercials etc. to try to catch Tribisky. The zing on his arm compared to Kessler seemed night and day.
The North Carolina/Duke game was on last night at the same time as the Browns. I switched over at time during commercials etc. to try to catch Tribisky. The zing on his arm compared to Kessler seemed night and day.
Forgive my stupidity but aren't the balls different? The ncaa ball is smaller right?
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Also, I watched the Network's post game show with Steve Smith, and both Irvin and Faulk started to laugh uncontrollably (like when in church type laugh) when Rich said that during the game, "they both noted the lack of velocity on the ball on the out routes"..... It was uncomfortable to watch.
First I was pissed that they would have the unprofessionalism to laugh at a fellow player, but once that wore off, it sank in that what those two HoFs saw live and in person, must have been so noticeably weak from what they expect to see from a starting NFL QB, that it just made them laugh...... Not a warm and fuzzy thought.
Kess's arm strength will not improve with coaching..... sorry it just wont. You can either throw a 96mph fastball, or you can't.
Of course it doesn't improve with coaching. It improves with footwork and strength training.
Of course it doesn't improve with coaching. It improves with footwork and strength training.
Sorry brother, it just doesn't. No footwork or strength training is going to turn him into Elway..... Tebow is one of the most yoked QBs on the planet and all his muscle strength couldn't help him throw the ball without a punt like arc trail following the ball.
And BTW, improving footwork comes from coaching.
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The North Carolina/Duke game was on last night at the same time as the Browns. I switched over at time during commercials etc. to try to catch Tribisky. The zing on his arm compared to Kessler seemed night and day.
Forgive my stupidity but aren't the balls different? The ncaa ball is smaller right?
Forgive my stupidity but aren't the balls different? The ncaa ball is smaller right?
I don't know about that. I don't really think so. I know that the kicking balls are different.
But, here is what I found on the internet:
An NFL football will measure 11" long with a 22" circumference at the midway point. Unless it is being used by the Patriots (joke Pats fans, joke), the air pressure should be between 12-1/2 psi and 13-1/2 psi.
A college ball (D1) will be just slightly smaller (1/2" in length and 1" circumference).
While the NFL ball is only slightly larger, it still seems to play a part in the drafting of QBs. Hand size is scrutinized as much as anything. As we learned from the 'deflate-gate' issue, grip is very important in NFL footballs and in hand jobs.
College, or NCAA, footballs are the same size as what players find in high school. The NFL plays with a larger ball. The size difference isn't much, but does make a difference in the field of play.
So, I guess there IS a difference that I was not aware of.
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He had an interception as soon as he entered the game. You have to believe that Kessler was developing a chemistry with Pryor and the receivers. So naturally, you take him out of a game when he's in control and not struggling. God forbid they compete! I hate to admit it but Hue is worse than Pettine! And as for tanking the season; Why? They're not going to draft a difference maker anyway or they'd have Derek Carr and Khalil Mack!
Conclusion: Jimmy Haslam and the front office is on LSD! Opal
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oh, bs
Tiam said:
"Kess bailed early a couple times and looked rattled. Hindsight might be one thing but at the time bringing in the vet while you settled down the rookie isn't a terrible move. "
and he is correct.
Kessler ate a few sacks when he could have thrown it away, and had trouble getting the ball downfield except
on the TD.
The first two turnovers - Joe Thomas took his guy around the back of the pocket, and McCown never
stepped up into it, and got his arm slapped while throwing. There was a nice little area to step up in, but he stayed
back. That is not good. Kessler will end up being a terrific backup qb, I think, like McCown. My dumb opinion is,
the Browns need to draft a qb in the next draft. Trubisky comes to mind, but it's very early.
I really liked the play of the front seven on defense, but the secondary is toast. Teams know that after halftime,
they can let loose with their passing game, and the Browns secondary has to play back, because they aren't
able to play up close. Just not skilled enough against the ratbirds' wr's. The Browns offensive line is the other
weak point.
Putting McCown in, with his experience, was not a bad thing. It just didn't make any difference. The oline was
manhandled, McCown didn't step up into the pocket, Kessler kept not throwing the ball away. It doesn't help
that that was a flagrant pass interference on a pass to Coleman?... no call. And maybe it wasn't, but I have
NO freaking idea why that wasn't intentional grounding on Flacco. No call.
the secondary is hopeless talent wise, and the oline needs a blue chip center, ROG, and RT. At least
two out of three. I'd rather see the secondary play man to man coverage. If they get beat for TD's, so be it.
But laying back so far off the receivers... come on. Nobody else plays the Browns wr's like that.
Tiam said:
"Kess bailed early a couple times and looked rattled. Hindsight might be one thing but at the time bringing in the vet while you settled down the rookie isn't a terrible move. "
and he is correct. Kessler ate a few sacks when he could have thrown it away, and had trouble getting the ball downfield except on the TD.
The first two turnovers - Joe Thomas took his guy around the back of the pocket, and McCown never stepped up into it, and got his arm slapped while throwing. There was a nice little area to step up in, but he stayed back. That is not good.
Putting McCown in, with his experience, was not a bad thing. It just didn't make any difference.
But laying back so far off the receivers... come on. Nobody else plays the Browns wr's like that.
Really good analysis... and your last line "sparked" a thought...
In Kess' last series, when he threw the "dangerous lateral" that Collingsworth went on about, I think that was the last straw. It was a dangerous throw by a QB did not see that the CB seen playing off pre-snap had closed the gap post snap. I'd said Kess looked "a beat slow" all nite in The Tavern and this was not processed at all.
Clearly Hue did not put McC expecting him to fail as he did. Those who now say they did expect his failure don't remember how he looked last year.
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