Interesting QB Situation
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good. Was it after the Bengals game or when that everyone, including all of your knowledgible fans, decided DA was garbage?No, it was about halfway through his pro bowl season when he started decline and kept getting worse.
He started throwing lower and into traffic more, then he started locking on to his targets before there was even a snap.
When some of us pointed these things out we were called "Quinn Fags" by certain manloving newbie posters that weren't here to see SOME of us argue against taking Quinn in the first place.
The fact he came out strong, tapered off fast and played inconsistent as hell was the reason SOME of us wanted to take that 1st and 3rd when we had a chance because we saw the tank coming.
No, it was about halfway through his pro bowl season when he started decline and kept getting worse.
He started throwing lower and into traffic more, then he started locking on to his targets before there was even a snap.
I totally agree!!! He would just stare down the reciever for way too long!
I think we have 2 "da" qb's, DA and Ratliff, and 2 "quinn" BQ and Harrell. We'll have to see what happens!?!?
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mikeyP72 said:
The funny part is ive supported Quinn on this board even and argued/spat on Lums consistently...The even better part is you calling me a newb and projecting your awesome status as a supposed knowledgeable fan because i havent posted on a web forum as long as you have.
I was just trying to get a feel for what some people here thought, ive got to know some people here and had a different opinion about you before this post... Thanks for clearing it up for me on where you stand.
Aw, poor you. Little old you was offended since the word knowledgeable was used. Point being, this board was buzzing all last offseason with DA/Quinn arguments and a ton of us wanted to move DA when we could.
It’s beyond old news it was ad nauseum, so when a guy like you comes in here and makes little snippy comments you’re going to get it fed back “newb”.
Now go take your panties off and bend over.
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In 2006 when DA got a few starts, a lot of fans (myself included) could see a huge difference in how the huddle was run and how the team seemed more fluid with DA as compared to Charlie Frye...
DA seemed to be the more professional of the two...
We all know the results of 2007 & 2008 so I wont even go there.... IMO DA's play last season was greatly influenced by the concussion---he never fully recovered....
With that said, however, since both DA & BQ were injured last season, I think the loser of the competition stays on the roster as insurance for the entire season regardless of who that is....
Myself, I want to see Quinn in a meaningful game, with a healthy and complete team package.... I want to see our first round pick in action and truthfully wont be satisfied if he's holding the clipboard again....
Ratliff just makes things more interesting.....
T.Dawg
I think the loser of the competition stays on the roster as insurance for the entire season regardless of who that is....
Sure, Mangini probably wants them both on the roster. But one of them is going to ask to be traded. Clearly DA is the favorite to outperform BQ in camp, having done it last year. And BQ needs to start this year to get his 11 mil. So there is no chance he'll sit quiet as the backup.
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I think the loser of the competition stays on the roster as insurance for the entire season regardless of who that is....
Sure, Mangini probably wants them both on the roster. But one of them is going to ask to be traded. Clearly DA is the favorite to outperform BQ in camp, having done it last year. And BQ needs to start this year to get his 11 mil. So there is no chance he'll sit quiet as the backup.
Sure, Mangini probably wants them both on the roster. But one of them is going to ask to be traded. Clearly DA is the favorite to outperform BQ in camp, having done it last year. And BQ needs to start this year to get his 11 mil. So there is no chance he'll sit quiet as the backup.
LMFAO....DA didn't out perform BQ in camp last year, or the year before when Quinn as a rookie out performed DA and Frye (who DA lost the battle for the job to). DA had no competition in camp last year. Remember, he was handed the job in February. But he did lose his job during the regular season to BQ, now didnt' he?
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LOL. You definitely were'nt around here cuz 3/4 of the board knew what DA was and wanted us to move him. Not only that, but most knowledgeable fans on the street (that I knew of anyway) including Puker fans said the same thing.
Keep patting yourself on the back Mr. Knowledgeable Fan. The same "knowledgeable" fans that are in this tread saying DA's history have been saying the same thing since game 2 of the '07 season, even went on to say he wouldn't get a 20 million buck contract or be starting anywhere the next year, much less Cleveland. So far the "knowledgeable fans" have been wrong, but still keep up the "this is Quinn's team" chant.
It ain't over 'til it's over. I do agree that one of these two guys is likely gone prior to next season. Both QBs likely will be in the starting mix somewhere. It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Keep patting yourself on the back Mr. Knowledgeable Fan. The same "knowledgeable" fans that are in this tread saying DA's history have been saying the same thing since game 2 of the '07 season, even went on to say he wouldn't get a 20 million buck contract or be starting anywhere the next year, much less Cleveland. So far the "knowledgeable fans" have been wrong, but still keep up the "this is Quinn's team" chant.
It ain't over 'til it's over. I do agree that one of these two guys is likely gone prior to next season. Both QBs likely will be in the starting mix somewhere. It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Notice the guy that gave him that contract is no longer employed in the capacity of GM here. Or anywhere else.
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good. Was it after the Bengals game or when that everyone, including all of your knowledgible fans, decided DA was garbage?Guess you should have been here then. Lots of guys had their issues even during DA's so called "great first half" but the Bengals game solidified it.
But hey, feel free to be the new guy with his preconceived opinions of the fans who have been posting here for years.
The world needs more DA believers, there just ain't enough of them.
Guess you should have been here then. Lots of guys had their issues even during DA's so called "great first half" but the Bengals game solidified it.
But hey, feel free to be the new guy with his preconceived opinions of the fans who have been posting here for years.
The world needs more DA believers, there just ain't enough of them.
There wasn't a lot of reason to be doubting him so quickly during that first half of his "breakout" season, this kind of belies a bit of bias right out of the gate. Sure he had his problems, but one cannot put the weight of an entire team's performance on one man. He wasn't on the defensive end of the ball giving up all those touchdowns during the first Cinci game. There were inconsistencies all around. Granted he had a meltdown at the end of the season, but a lot of that can be laid at the feet of other teams figuring out the game plan. The Browns weren't exactly known for changing things up when they needed to be under Chud. Most of the announcers could predict the mix of pass/run plays being called.
That aside, DA has problems, there's no denying that. I refuse to be a Lumbergh and blindly defend him. But I won't throw him completely to the wolves either, regardless of the early decisions of "fan's posting for years". Some of you fans represent what's wrong with the fanbase. You're the old guys, and know so much more than anyone else possibly could cause you've been watching with your grandpa since the glory days we 20 somethings can't remember Obviously we had problems on offense last year as well. Quinn is still an unknown element. But the three games he played in, he looked like an average QB at best against some of the league's weaker defenses. This was not entirely his fault, just like it wasn't all DA's fault either. Once again, there was a reason that the team went like four whole games without an offensive touchdown. It wasn't just the quarterback performance, regardless of who was at the helm. Heck the team couldn't even produce much with a combo of Jamal Lewis and Wildcatting with Cribbs (granted I think the WildDawg is a trendy manuever, but other teams made it work a heck of a lot better than we did. We need rationality in discussions, and both quinn guys and anderson guys need to check the bias at the door and support whoever will lead the team the best way possible. Even if that means that neither one of them is the solution.
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mikeyP72 said:
The funny part is ive supported Quinn on this board even and argued/spat on Lums consistently...The even better part is you calling me a newb and projecting your awesome status as a supposed knowledgeable fan because i havent posted on a web forum as long as you have.
I was just trying to get a feel for what some people here thought, ive got to know some people here and had a different opinion about you before this post... Thanks for clearing it up for me on where you stand.
Aw, poor you. Little old you was offended since the word knowledgeable was used. Point being, this board was buzzing all last offseason with DA/Quinn arguments and a ton of us wanted to move DA when we could.
It’s beyond old news it was ad nauseum, so when a guy like you comes in here and makes little snippy comments you’re going to get it fed back “newb”.
Now go take your panties off and bend over.
Aw, poor you. Little old you was offended since the word knowledgeable was used. Point being, this board was buzzing all last offseason with DA/Quinn arguments and a ton of us wanted to move DA when we could.
It’s beyond old news it was ad nauseum, so when a guy like you comes in here and makes little snippy comments you’re going to get it fed back “newb”.
Now go take your panties off and bend over.
Riffer...you're a d0uche. It's posters like you that made me decide to stop just reading this board and start posting
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Sure, Mangini probably wants them both on the roster. But one of them is going to ask to be traded. Clearly DA is the favorite to outperform BQ in camp, having done it last year. And BQ needs to start this year to get his 11 mil. So there is no chance he'll sit quiet as the backup.
LMFAO....DA didn't out perform BQ in camp last year, or the year before when Quinn as a rookie out performed DA and Frye (who DA lost the battle for the job to). DA had no competition in camp last year. Remember, he was handed the job in February. But he did lose his job during the regular season to BQ, now didnt' he?
Masters said:
LMFAO....DA didn't out perform BQ in camp last yearhe didn't? Let's take a look back, shall we masterbater?
Maybe you missed BQ tossing pick-6's to Shaun Rogers every practice while DA was lighting it up.
Maybe you missed mega-BQ-humpers shep and Tony Grossi jumping off of BQs nuts like he had herpes.
Maybe you missed BQ shitting his pants with stage fright vs the mighty Lions.
LMFAO indeed. end of discussion dumbshit.
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@jadbf said:
EVERY PRACTICE eh?Tony Grossi gave a running tally of picks every day.
Every day BQ had 1-2 minimum.
Most days DA hand none.
Go dig it up. Read it. Then come back and tell us you're wrong.
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Aw, poor you. Little old you was offended since the word knowledgeable was used. Point being, this board was buzzing all last offseason with DA/Quinn arguments and a ton of us wanted to move DA when we could.
It’s beyond old news it was ad nauseum, so when a guy like you comes in here and makes little snippy comments you’re going to get it fed back “newb”.
Now go take your panties off and bend over.
Riffer...you're a d0uche. It's posters like you that made me decide to stop just reading this board and start posting
Riffer...you're a d0uche. It's posters like you that made me decide to stop just reading this board and start posting
I like to consider myself more of a douche than a d0uche.
Glad to have you posting, let's see some more brilliant remarks. This whole DA thing is stagnant anymore since Lums is trolling so hard. We need guys like you to tell us some more about what we already know.
Thanks for supporting the Browns Board, we were tired of you just reading.
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Maybe i will start pimping Ratliff and turn this in to a 3 way scrum.
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good. Was it after the Bengals game or when that everyone, including all of your knowledgible fans, decided DA was garbage?Anderson racked up about 50% of his TD passes against three teams that hadn't won a single game that year at the time that we played them (Miami, St.Louis, Bengals). Miami wound up winning 1 game that year, the Bengals 3 or 4, and St. Louis 3 I think. We had the weakest schedule ever and still missed the Playoffs...
It says alot about your starting QB when the playoffs are gift-wrapped for you with an easy Bengals team and you throw 4 picks and lose the game and miss the playoffs. You're just not a winner. Why waste time on a guy who can't take an easy game like that and manage it, let alone win it for us? That was the nail in the coffin in my already-doubting mind, yes.
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Masters said:
LMFAO....DA didn't out perform BQ in camp last yearhe didn't? Let's take a look back, shall we masterbater?
Maybe you missed BQ tossing pick-6's to Shaun Rogers every practice while DA was lighting it up.
Maybe you missed mega-BQ-humpers shep and Tony Grossi jumping off of BQs nuts like he had herpes.
Maybe you missed BQ shitting his pants with stage fright vs the mighty Lions.
LMFAO indeed. end of discussion dumbshit.
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good. Was it after the Bengals game or when that everyone, including all of your knowledgible fans, decided DA was garbage?Anderson racked up about 50% of his TD passes against three teams that hadn't won a single game that year at the time that we played them (Miami, St.Louis, Bengals). Miami wound up winning 1 game that year, the Bengals 3 or 4, and St. Louis 3 I think. We had the weakest schedule ever and still missed the Playoffs...
It says alot about your starting QB when the playoffs are gift-wrapped for you with an easy Bengals team and you throw 4 picks and lose the game and miss the playoffs. You're just not a winner. Why waste time on a guy who can't take an easy game like that and manage it, let alone win it for us? That was the nail in the coffin in my already-doubting mind, yes.
Anderson racked up about 50% of his TD passes against three teams that hadn't won a single game that year at the time that we played them (Miami, St.Louis, Bengals).
11/29 = 37.9%
37.9% = 50% = BQ Nation Math
In a related topic, 2 out of 2, or ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of BQ's TD passes came against what Colin Cowherd called yesterday THE WORST DEFENSE IN THE NFL. With 5 linebackers and a corner out with injuries.
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good. Was it after the Bengals game or when that everyone, including all of your knowledgible fans, decided DA was garbage?Anderson racked up about 50% of his TD passes against three teams that hadn't won a single game that year at the time that we played them (Miami, St.Louis, Bengals). Miami wound up winning 1 game that year, the Bengals 3 or 4, and St. Louis 3 I think. We had the weakest schedule ever and still missed the Playoffs...
It says alot about your starting QB when the playoffs are gift-wrapped for you with an easy Bengals team and you throw 4 picks and lose the game and miss the playoffs. You're just not a winner. Why waste time on a guy who can't take an easy game like that and manage it, let alone win it for us? That was the nail in the coffin in my already-doubting mind, yes.
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good. Was it after the Bengals game or when that everyone, including all of your knowledgible fans, decided DA was garbage?Anderson racked up about 50% of his TD passes against three teams that hadn't won a single game that year at the time that we played them (Miami, St.Louis, Bengals). Miami wound up winning 1 game that year, the Bengals 3 or 4, and St. Louis 3 I think. We had the weakest schedule ever and still missed the Playoffs...
It says alot about your starting QB when the playoffs are gift-wrapped for you with an easy Bengals team and you throw 4 picks and lose the game and miss the playoffs. You're just not a winner. Why waste time on a guy who can't take an easy game like that and manage it, let alone win it for us? That was the nail in the coffin in my already-doubting mind, yes.
Anderson racked up about 50% of his TD passes against three teams that hadn't won a single game that year at the time that we played them (Miami, St.Louis, Bengals). Miami wound up winning 1 game that year, the Bengals 3 or 4, and St. Louis 3 I think. We had the weakest schedule ever and still missed the Playoffs...
It says alot about your starting QB when the playoffs are gift-wrapped for you with an easy Bengals team and you throw 4 picks and lose the game and miss the playoffs. You're just not a winner. Why waste time on a guy who can't take an easy game like that and manage it, let alone win it for us? That was the nail in the coffin in my already-doubting mind, yes.
My opinion up front---I've seen DA and now I want to see BQ---end of discussion...
With that said however, if you're blaming the Cincy loss TOTALLY at DA's feet then you're wrong man....
In another thread I explained how I met Carson Palmer after that season and he stated that those were the worst wind conditions he ever experienced... At times, when the ball came out of his hand he had no idea where it was going... He said he missed some spots as much as 10 yards...
Chud had a horrible, stupid game plan, never adjusted for conditions and put his players in the position to lose...
As much as any game that kept us out of the playoffs, it has to be the Raider game that was given away.....
T.dawg
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My bad, I refered to the meeting of palmer earlier in this thread---sorry
T.Dawg
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Maybe i will start pimping Ratliff and turn this in to a 3 way scrum.
If DA gets traded, you know all the DA fans are going to become Ratliff's biggest supporters. So I'll give them their first piece of semi-ridiculous evidence:
As it turns out, Ratliff and Quinn faced Georgia Tech in back to back games: Ratliff in the '05 Fiesta Bowl, Quinn in the opening game of the '06 season. Here are the two guys' stats.
Brett Ratliff
- 30/41, 381 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
- 23/38, 246 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good. Was it after the Bengals game or when that everyone, including all of your knowledgible fans, decided DA was garbage?Anderson racked up about 50% of his TD passes against three teams that hadn't won a single game that year at the time that we played them (Miami, St.Louis, Bengals). Miami wound up winning 1 game that year, the Bengals 3 or 4, and St. Louis 3 I think. We had the weakest schedule ever and still missed the Playoffs...
It says alot about your starting QB when the playoffs are gift-wrapped for you with an easy Bengals team and you throw 4 picks and lose the game and miss the playoffs. You're just not a winner. Why waste time on a guy who can't take an easy game like that and manage it, let alone win it for us? That was the nail in the coffin in my already-doubting mind, yes.
Anderson racked up about 50% of his TD passes against three teams that hadn't won a single game that year at the time that we played them (
And Quinn racked up his only 50% completion NFL performance against the worst pass defense in the league, still lost.
If you want to cherry pick DA, the same can be done for BQ.
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And Quinn had questions about his accuracy under pressure coming out of college, his pro day at Notre Dame impressed scouts and coaches so much his draft stock plummeted. If Quinn gets to play, somewhere, you just might see more of the same.
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