Camp Trubisky
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Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
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Actually- as I've said in another thread, there is some doubt. It would be so like the Browns to win a game or two (Bengals and\or Chargers) and blow the #1 overall. Right now the 49ers hold the strength of schedule tiebreaker over the Browns. I'll breathe a little easier if they manage to beat the Bears this weekend- they almost pulled a win out against the Dolphins.
And looking at it a little deeper (schedule wise) - should the Browns get really lucky and win two of the last four- the two win Jaguars and Bears are unlikely to win another game.
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
If the 9ers or the Jags got #1 they would both jump on Garrett with both feet because just like us they are in dire need of a pass rusher.
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
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Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
If we trade down again, that certainly means the FO is content with fielding RGIII, McCown, and Kessler (or variation of) next year. If that's the case I sure as hell won't be seeing any games at FE next season.No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
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Maybe Jags don't take MT since they got Bortles. Maybe 49ers don't take him cause they got Kaepernik.
But do you see the Bears passing on him?
If 49ers or Jags do end up with #1....would you see them entertaining offers to trade to someone...other than Browns who would want to go that route?
Browns did it last year. Who else would be a player? Cardinals? Saints for ultimate Brees replacement? Pittsburgh? Jets, clearly. Giants? Bills?
No way in hell Gip. Jets would certainly be in the conversation for a trade up. Once you get past the Niners, Bears, and Jets- it's a long drop off to the next possibility. As you said, Cardinals (currently #9) and Saints (currently #12). Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
...and the Eagles gave up a bunch for Wentz
...and the Colts wouldn't take ANYthing offered for Luck.
What is that telling us?
It tells us that teams understand the NEED to have that good QB.
The QB is 'off the curve' important.
It's been that way for a loooong time. Otto Graham, Bart Star, Don Meredith, John Unitas, etc, etc. It was ALWAYS teams with good QB's that were consistently winning and vying for championships. (some, of course, didn't have a team around them...shining example, Archie Manning...which is what made Archie such a jerk about where his sons would play)
And the importance of the QB certainly hasn't diminished in today's pass-happy NFL. (in general, it's harder to run in today's nfl with the defensive players being bigger, faster, better than the one's of the Jim Brown days)
We still 'appear' to need a QB. But the QB cannot reach his potential without a good OL, receivers that can get open & catch, and a running game that's capable of keeping a defense honest. It's a team game in that sense...but it's all pretty much moot without the QB....which is why teams will pay 'off the curve' to acquire one.
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman sub 60% completion rate and a little over 200lbs plays in nothing that resembles a professional style of football. Maybe we should not draft the college-style players and try drafting NFL-style players. Just a thought
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman sub 60% completion rate and a little over 200lbs plays in nothing that resembles a professional style of football. Maybe we should not draft the college-style players and try drafting NFL-style players. Just a thought
sub 60% completion rate and a little over 200lbs plays in nothing that resembles a professional style of football. Maybe we should not draft the college-style players and try drafting NFL-style players. Just a thought
You don't want a strong armed college RB to play QB for the Browns? Me neither.
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In case you don't think a QB can be in play for the #1 overall spot because of a 'weak class', keep in mind this is now an ownership and front office that will have a bit of desperation in trying
to re-energize the fanbase, bring back season ticket sales and get a positive off season buzz going.
Nothing does that faster and more effectively than a 1st round QB.
Does that mean I agree with it? Nope.
But do not for one minute believe it isn't possible.
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Also remember that last year was a weak qb class too
Also bleacher report has Mitch as the top QB of the class aswell with no other QB being a first round QB
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Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
...and the Eagles gave up a bunch for Wentz
...and the Colts wouldn't take ANYthing offered for Luck.
What is that telling us?
It tells us that teams understand the NEED to have that good QB.
The QB is 'off the curve' important.
It's been that way for a loooong time. Otto Graham, Bart Star, Don Meredith, John Unitas, etc, etc. It was ALWAYS teams with good QB's that were consistently winning and vying for championships. (some, of course, didn't have a team around them...shining example, Archie Manning...which is what made Archie such a jerk about where his sons would play)
And the importance of the QB certainly hasn't diminished in today's pass-happy NFL. (in general, it's harder to run in today's nfl with the defensive players being bigger, faster, better than the one's of the Jim Brown days)
We still 'appear' to need a QB. But the QB cannot reach his potential without a good OL, receivers that can get open & catch, and a running game that's capable of keeping a defense honest. It's a team game in that sense...but it's all pretty much moot without the QB....which is why teams will pay 'off the curve' to acquire one.
...and the Eagles gave up a bunch for Wentz
...and the Colts wouldn't take ANYthing offered for Luck.
What is that telling us?
It tells us that teams understand the NEED to have that good QB.
The QB is 'off the curve' important.
It's been that way for a loooong time. Otto Graham, Bart Star, Don Meredith, John Unitas, etc, etc. It was ALWAYS teams with good QB's that were consistently winning and vying for championships. (some, of course, didn't have a team around them...shining example, Archie Manning...which is what made Archie such a jerk about where his sons would play)
And the importance of the QB certainly hasn't diminished in today's pass-happy NFL. (in general, it's harder to run in today's nfl with the defensive players being bigger, faster, better than the one's of the Jim Brown days)
We still 'appear' to need a QB. But the QB cannot reach his potential without a good OL, receivers that can get open & catch, and a running game that's capable of keeping a defense honest. It's a team game in that sense...but it's all pretty much moot without the QB....which is why teams will pay 'off the curve' to acquire one.
True, black tarkenton and kessler mccoy aren't franchise QBs, are they?
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman So we're gonna wait another year for a RG III clone? You can take those 21 rushing TDs and stuff 'em up your a$$ in the pros.
In case you don't think a QB can be in play for the #1 overall spot because of a 'weak class', keep in mind this is now an ownership and front office that will have a bit of desperation in trying
to re-energize the fanbase, bring back season ticket sales and get a positive off season buzz going.
Nothing does that faster and more effectively than a 1st round QB.
Does that mean I agree with it? Nope.
But do not for one minute believe it isn't possible.
See Rams: Goff. Can I start a new mantra? " Make the switch to Mitch"?
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman So we're gonna wait another year for a RG III clone? You can take those 21 rushing TDs and stuff 'em up your a$$ in the pros.
In case you don't think a QB can be in play for the #1 overall spot because of a 'weak class', keep in mind this is now an ownership and front office that will have a bit of desperation in trying
to re-energize the fanbase, bring back season ticket sales and get a positive off season buzz going.
Nothing does that faster and more effectively than a 1st round QB.
Does that mean I agree with it? Nope.
But do not for one minute believe it isn't possible.
See Rams: Goff. Can I start a new mantra? " Make the switch to Mitch"?
See Rams: Goff. Can I start a new mantra? " Make the switch to Mitch"?
Don't be a bitch, pass on Mitch? That first place carrot is in the form of Myles Garrett?
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I'm on board with trading for Garrapolo. Kid is a damn winner.
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Can't see either FO going for it.
well maybe if idiot farmer didn't google draft picks, or flip a coin we wouldn't of ended up with manziel, and we would've gotten who pettine liked, carr or garrapolo, lol
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well maybe if idiot farmer didn't google draft picks, or flip a coin we wouldn't of ended up with manziel, and we would've gotten who pettine liked, carr or garrapolo, lol
Sure but not much we can do about that now. There are so many coulda woulda shouldas from past drafts, particularly in the first round - Danny Shelton is about the only one that's worked out since 2011. Hope Coleman breaks that, and next year's two.
Hit on the two we have this year will go a long way to making things right.
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well maybe if idiot farmer didn't google draft picks, or flip a coin we wouldn't of ended up with manziel, and we would've gotten who pettine liked, carr or garrapolo, lol
Sure but not much we can do about that now. There are so many coulda woulda shouldas from past drafts, particularly in the first round - Danny Shelton is about the only one that's worked out since 2011. Hope Coleman breaks that, and next year's two.
Hit on the two we have this year will go a long way to making things right.
Sure but not much we can do about that now. There are so many coulda woulda shouldas from past drafts, particularly in the first round - Danny Shelton is about the only one that's worked out since 2011. Hope Coleman breaks that, and next year's two.
Hit on the two we have this year will go a long way to making things right.
if we hit this year i'll be fine.... if we MISS again, i might have a stroke
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As far as Coleman goes, I'm a little irritated that we don't make it more of a priority to get him the ball. I feel that we force too many balls to Pryor, which I get, but Coleman should get more balls too. What I DON'T know, is whether Coleman is open. I'd need the all 22 angle, and I don't have access to it. Even so, I don't remember us ever running a reverse to Coleman (or Pryor), and I'd like to see some more creativity in getting the ball into his hands. I'd also like a jet sweep. I really hope Coleman finishes strong...that would be huge.
Right now, there are three guys I would be happy with at #1: Garrett, Trubisky, and Allen. At this time, we don't even know which QB's will even declare for the draft. I believe Trubisky's mother indicated he would give his answer after his bowl game, but I could be mistaken. After all, he's only started one season. I also haven't heard anything about Deshone Kizer (who I don't love anyways). I believe Watson is the only top tier QB that has declared. So what do we do if Mitch doesn't come out? Well, we take the best player in the draft and move on. I'll be the first to admit that Garrett's numbers haven't been eye-popping, and that scares me to some extent, but he also grades out extremely well against the run, so it's not like he's a one-trick pony or anything.
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Whoever holds the #1 would want a ton to move down that far- like an RG III deal, three firsts and a second.
The Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds to get Goff.
...and the Eagles gave up a bunch for Wentz
...and the Colts wouldn't take ANYthing offered for Luck.
What is that telling us?
It tells us that teams understand the NEED to have that good QB.
The QB is 'off the curve' important.
It's been that way for a loooong time. Otto Graham, Bart Star, Don Meredith, John Unitas, etc, etc. It was ALWAYS teams with good QB's that were consistently winning and vying for championships. (some, of course, didn't have a team around them...shining example, Archie Manning...which is what made Archie such a jerk about where his sons would play)
And the importance of the QB certainly hasn't diminished in today's pass-happy NFL. (in general, it's harder to run in today's nfl with the defensive players being bigger, faster, better than the one's of the Jim Brown days)
We still 'appear' to need a QB. But the QB cannot reach his potential without a good OL, receivers that can get open & catch, and a running game that's capable of keeping a defense honest. It's a team game in that sense...but it's all pretty much moot without the QB....which is why teams will pay 'off the curve' to acquire one.
What is that telling us?It tells us that teams understand the NEED to have that good QB...
... IF "teams" see a QB they believe IS the one. Then, and only then, is price no object.
In 2017 it looks for the world like our "price" will be only a single pick. So our "IF's" font size can be a little smaller, but the belief will still have to be strong, ie., unanimous.
In case you don't think a QB can be in play for the #1 overall spot because of a 'weak class', keep in mind this is now an ownership and front office that will have a bit of desperation in trying to re-energize the fanbase, bring back season ticket sales and get a positive off season buzz going.
Agree it's possible we go QB, but are season sales actually off?
Single game tix? Sure... Concessions? Sure... And combined they're sizeable revenue, but not season ticket level.
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Crushing News to Camp Trubisky..Sophomore QB Lamar Jackson-6'3" 205 with 4.4 40 times, is ACCPOTY & 1st Team Acc QB announced today. 51 TD's. 30 by Air & 21 by Land finishing 2nd in rushing yards(1538)& 3rd in passing yards. Lamar got 36 votes, Watson got 5 & Conner got 3 as past winners of POTY & Dalvin Cook got 3.. It's never to late in Cleveland, To say "Wait till Next Year" but how bout the year after
#HuegottaBelieveman So we're gonna wait another year for a RG III clone? You can take those 21 rushing TDs and stuff 'em up your a$$ in the pros.
In case you don't think a QB can be in play for the #1 overall spot because of a 'weak class', keep in mind this is now an ownership and front office that will have a bit of desperation in trying
to re-energize the fanbase, bring back season ticket sales and get a positive off season buzz going.
Nothing does that faster and more effectively than a 1st round QB.
Does that mean I agree with it? Nope.
But do not for one minute believe it isn't possible.
See Rams: Goff. Can I start a new mantra? " Make the switch to Mitch"?
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