The 3-4 is dead in cleveland
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Whilst on the topic of the D, they've been under-the-radar getting somewhat better as the season's gone on. Haden being back and healthy has helped, and clearly having Collins has been pretty big, while the emergence of Shelton, and in turn Kirksey, has been pretty big.
Last week they held the steelers to 17 points, and this week the giants to 20. It's not unreasonably to ask an offense to score 21 points in a game to get the W, but in both games the O gave up a negative score, meaning they effectively contributed 2 and 6 points to the games respectively.
We still lack a pass rush and there are still some missed tackles around but our secondary has improved no end, especially dead-body calhoun, who is now more like zombie calhoun - not quite living and breathing, but actually moving - and we're making plays. Yesterday they forced the giants to punt nine times on 13 possessions.
The Giants had under 300 yards of total offense. The steelers had only 313 total. There's progress, of a sort.
Whilst on the topic of the D, they've been under-the-radar getting somewhat better as the season's gone on. Haden being back and healthy has helped, and clearly having Collins has been pretty big, while the emergence of Shelton, and in turn Kirksey, has been pretty big.
Last week they held the steelers to 17 points, and this week the giants to 20. It's not unreasonably to ask an offense to score 21 points in a game to get the W, but in both games the O gave up a negative score, meaning they effectively contributed 2 and 6 points to the games respectively.
We still lack a pass rush and there are still some missed tackles around but our secondary has improved no end, especially dead-body calhoun, who is now more like zombie calhoun - not quite living and breathing, but actually moving - and we're making plays. Yesterday they forced the giants to punt nine times on 13 possessions.
The Giants had under 300 yards of total offense. The steelers had only 313 total. There's progress, of a sort.
chris i understand your fanitude and yes i'm a browns freak too, BUT to hang your hat on saying well there's 3-4 guys that actually look good is laughable when other fans of other teams are talking the same way about their entire team. not just 3 guys.
3 guys in a rainstorm will get you 3 wet guys. that's it.
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Whilst on the topic of the D, they've been under-the-radar getting somewhat better as the season's gone on. Haden being back and healthy has helped, and clearly having Collins has been pretty big, while the emergence of Shelton, and in turn Kirksey, has been pretty big.
Last week they held the steelers to 17 points, and this week the giants to 20. It's not unreasonably to ask an offense to score 21 points in a game to get the W, but in both games the O gave up a negative score, meaning they effectively contributed 2 and 6 points to the games respectively.
We still lack a pass rush and there are still some missed tackles around but our secondary has improved no end, especially dead-body calhoun, who is now more like zombie calhoun - not quite living and breathing, but actually moving - and we're making plays. Yesterday they forced the giants to punt nine times on 13 possessions.
The Giants had under 300 yards of total offense. The steelers had only 313 total. There's progress, of a sort.
chris i understand your fanitude and yes i'm a browns freak too, BUT to hang your hat on saying well there's 3-4 guys that actually look good is laughable when other fans of other teams are talking the same way about their entire team. not just 3 guys.
3 guys in a rainstorm will get you 3 wet guys. that's it.
chris i understand your fanitude and yes i'm a browns freak too, BUT to hang your hat on saying well there's 3-4 guys that actually look good is laughable when other fans of other teams are talking the same way about their entire team. not just 3 guys.
3 guys in a rainstorm will get you 3 wet guys. that's it.
After a posted a whole thing about 3-4 vs 4-3 I was very confused by your reply! But I'm not hanging anything on saying any of these guys are good. I'm saying as it stands, Shelton, Kirksey and Collins are playing at or close to pro bowl level. I'm saying Haden, Davis, Ogbah would be getting serious playing time on playoff defences. We're just missing a vast amount of the 'middle of the road' guys - like Joe Thomas said a few months back. Imagine if we'd kept Sheard, TJ Ward and Tashaun Gipson, how good this D would be looking right about now. It's not like they're a million miles away from being at least middle of the pack with a couple of solid starters in the secondary and maybe one top pass rusher.
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chris i understand your fanitude and yes i'm a browns freak too, BUT to hang your hat on saying well there's 3-4 guys that actually look good is laughable when other fans of other teams are talking the same way about their entire team. not just 3 guys.
3 guys in a rainstorm will get you 3 wet guys. that's it.
After a posted a whole thing about 3-4 vs 4-3 I was very confused by your reply! But I'm not hanging anything on saying any of these guys are good. I'm saying as it stands, Shelton, Kirksey and Collins are playing at or close to pro bowl level. I'm saying Haden, Davis, Ogbah would be getting serious playing time on playoff defences. We're just missing a vast amount of the 'middle of the road' guys - like Joe Thomas said a few months back. Imagine if we'd kept Sheard, TJ Ward and Tashaun Gipson, how good this D would be looking right about now. It's not like they're a million miles away from being at least middle of the pack with a couple of solid starters in the secondary and maybe one top pass rusher.
And after the Bye, we'll see the rise of our Zombie 3-4... Book It!
I'm saying as it stands, Shelton, Kirksey and Collins are playing at or close to pro bowl level. I'm saying Haden, Davis, Ogbah would be getting serious playing time on playoff defences.
Haden looks young again... Boody flashed a little more than usual yesterday.... and I'm kinda feeling Reynolds at Safety.
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Gotta disagree with you about Haden..
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Develop? Like over exposed film? Develop as in ' we don't know if they suck yet'?
Man did khalil mack, becham jr., dak and zeke have to develop? How come it's always us browns fans that have to settle for that argument as other teams draft instant HOFers?Develop? Like over exposed film? Develop as in ' we don't know if they suck yet'?
Man did khalil mack, becham jr., dak and zeke have to develop? How come it's always us browns fans that have to settle for that argument as other teams draft instant HOFers?
Honestly.....what I hope to have out of these rookies that have been drafted the last couple of years are some serviceable players that can contribute to a winning team. So, in that regard, yes, they need a bit of time to develop. Now, to have a winning team....we need stars.
We have 2 first round picks next year......THEN is when we need to get our stars. Our Dak and Zeke like players (though I hope one will be on defense). Yes, I have been advocating that one be the QB...which we do need. But give us a couple of stars to hang our hats on.
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Just putting 4 down lineman in the game doesnt make ur defensive identity the "4-3". Putting guys on the end that sometimes stand sometimes sit or even lie down....thats not a 4-3.....thats just 4 down lineman. I want a real god damn mother fucking 4-3 with real defensive ends
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So caught up in what to call it. Majority of the defensive snaps see the browns in a 4-2-5. 3-4...4-3...they don't play much of either.
So your getting upset about nothing, really
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U guys are missing the issue. If we commit to one defense we groom players for a specific role. Take og and nas, both have played 5tech, olb'er and 43 DE. Thats horseshit. If u dont understand that u dont know football. Olb'er/DE hybrid'ing is already sketchy but some systems (like NE) make it work. But then 5 teching them too? Bullshit
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