Move Over Sashi .....
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yes war, it is. we definitely mishandled him. we tried to make him play against the packers when he clearly had a fucked up foot. then we fined him when he wouldn't play.
the staff definitely isn't perfect, so enough of the "they can do no wrong" or "in sashi we trust shit".
but i'm optimistic about this draft from here. we can only get better moving forward.
but i'm optimistic about this draft from here. we can only get better moving forward.
Maybe. If I see us trade down and miss out on either Garrett or Allen, I will know without a doubt we are still run by clowns that seem to endlessly pour out of the Browns circus car since 1999.
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it's the staff's fault K'Waun isn't on the team anymore?
Yes...it is...100%
fined, then suspended, then cut....for being injured.
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Youd almost swear Shashi wrote that article...
Now...lets be honest...100%.....the article sites Darius Jackson, who was just acquired and has done absolutely 100% zero as a Brown(or Cowboy).....and Tyrone Holmes, who has been here since "pre-season" and has exactly 2 tackles on the year(so not what Id call a mid season coup OR good player).......and Dan Vitale, who's only play was a blatant drop of an easy TD.......and Anthony Fabiano, who??....has he even played?......and Trea Elston....again, who???.....and then Boddy-Calhoun, who has played well, but was also a pre-season pick up.....
So....reality is....these guys have NOT contributed or proven themselves to be quality players or pick ups.....and the ONE who looks decent, wasnt some type of mid-season roster churn......
I've explicitly said that elsewhere.
I may be misremembering, but I don't recall any of Ray Farmer's guys doing the same to any degree, or Mike Lombardi.
We've gotten guys, every year, who have contributed as well as this group(in the article) has.....in addition to Meder, Gabe and Crow(also pre-season freebie pick ups)....Id add Pryor and Austin Paztor as 2 "real" contributors that fit the mold.....and, as comparables to the guys in the articles, we've also picked up "short term" contributors like Ishmail Kitchen, Gaines, Nelson, Fua, etc....
Id also point to KWaun Williams who performed at a top level(not just ok) and then was, basically, run outta town by this current staff.....
and ALL of these guys have performed longer and better(so far), than those 6 nobodies the article talks about.....
Mid-season roster churning was what I was going for. But it's not a huge divide, and you have to attribute Crowell to Farmer while you're at it.
Having said that, some of the guys we've picked up were drafted by other teams this year, so couldn't have signed as UDFAs.
I think the article is a year or 2 early for this group.....
Youd almost swear Shashi wrote that article...
I think the article is a year or 2 early for this group.....
Damn you need a hug... bad...
It's an article about our continued accumulation of high-value prospects. Their late-draft/UDFA roots, plus the fact that all these pick-ups were cut primarily because they got caught in their former teams' numbers game, testify to this.
As such the article is not early at all. Were it written two years from now should all pan out, then we'd rip on it for being a self-serving, 20/20 hindsight, POS.
yes war, it is. we definitely mishandled him. we tried to make him play against the packers when he clearly had a fucked up foot. then we fined him when he wouldn't play.
the staff definitely isn't perfect, so enough of the "they can do no wrong" or "in sashi we trust shit".
but i'm optimistic about this draft from here. we can only get better moving forward.
- If releasing K'waun was a mistake, then last I saw he's still available to sign.
- Not sure how not trusting Sashi yet being optimistic about the upcoming draft go together.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Youd almost swear Shashi wrote that article...
I think the article is a year or 2 early for this group.....
Damn you need a hug... bad...
It's an article about our continued accumulation of high-value prospects. Their late-draft/UDFA roots, plus the fact that all these pick-ups were cut primarily because they got caught in their former teams' numbers game, testify to this.
As such the article is not early at all. Were it written two years from now should all pan out, then we'd rip on it for being a self-serving, 20/20 hindsight, POS.
yes war, it is. we definitely mishandled him. we tried to make him play against the packers when he clearly had a fucked up foot. then we fined him when he wouldn't play.
the staff definitely isn't perfect, so enough of the "they can do no wrong" or "in sashi we trust shit".
but i'm optimistic about this draft from here. we can only get better moving forward.
- If releasing K'waun was a mistake, then last I saw he's still available to sign.
- Not sure how not trusting Sashi yet being optimistic about the upcoming draft go together.
Damn you need a hug... bad...
No doubt....they broke me....I admit it....
It's an article about our continued accumulation of high-value prospects. Their late-draft/UDFA roots, plus the fact that all these pick-ups were cut primarily because they got caught in their former teams' numbers game, testify to this.
I guess Im not seeing the high value prospect part......
As such the article is not early at all. Were it written two years from now should all pan out, then we'd rip on it for being a self-serving, 20/20 hindsight, POS.
- If releasing K'waun was a mistake, then last I saw he's still available to sign.
- Not sure how not trusting Sashi yet being optimistic about the upcoming draft go together.
A mistake?.....Id call it more of a mishandling......a player who's looked like a very solid contributor needed a simple surgery....Under normal conditions, that player would get the surgery, rehab and then return to the team and continue to contribute....
We(meaning the Browns) tried to force him to play a meaningless game, then punished him for not wanting to risk his season and/or career.....then cut him, as opposed to rehabbing and retaining the asset....
Simple...
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Damn you need a hug... bad...
No doubt....they broke me....I admit it....
It's an article about our continued accumulation of high-value prospects. Their late-draft/UDFA roots, plus the fact that all these pick-ups were cut primarily because they got caught in their former teams' numbers game, testify to this.
I guess Im not seeing the high value prospect part......
As such the article is not early at all. Were it written two years from now should all pan out, then we'd rip on it for being a self-serving, 20/20 hindsight, POS.
- If releasing K'waun was a mistake, then last I saw he's still available to sign.
- Not sure how not trusting Sashi yet being optimistic about the upcoming draft go together.
A mistake?.....Id call it more of a mishandling......a player who's looked like a very solid contributor needed a simple surgery....Under normal conditions, that player would get the surgery, rehab and then return to the team and continue to contribute....
We(meaning the Browns) tried to force him to play a meaningless game, then punished him for not wanting to risk his season and/or career.....then cut him, as opposed to rehabbing and retaining the asset....
Simple...
I guess Im not seeing the high value prospect part......
Value = Performance / Cost
That's because you are focusing on the numerator. For now try looking at the denominator.
With the exception of our new RB, we're not going to get much sense of their Numerators until next camp. So until then take solace in the good review... you'll sleep better.
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Any more, I even dont care about the value(cost) honestly....and the last thing Im worried about is protecting Jimmys money......I care about getting impact players and am 100% bored(and tired) with signing a shit ton of lower echelon players....of which we have about 45....bored to tears......
... get me some impact players at a good value(or not, even) and THAT is something worth writing and getting excited about....
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Youd almost swear Shashi wrote that article...
I think the article is a year or 2 early for this group.....
Damn you need a hug... bad...
It's an article about our continued accumulation of high-value prospects. Their late-draft/UDFA roots, plus the fact that all these pick-ups were cut primarily because they got caught in their former teams' numbers game, testify to this.
As such the article is not early at all. Were it written two years from now should all pan out, then we'd rip on it for being a self-serving, 20/20 hindsight, POS.
yes war, it is. we definitely mishandled him. we tried to make him play against the packers when he clearly had a fucked up foot. then we fined him when he wouldn't play.
the staff definitely isn't perfect, so enough of the "they can do no wrong" or "in sashi we trust shit".
but i'm optimistic about this draft from here. we can only get better moving forward.
- If releasing K'waun was a mistake, then last I saw he's still available to sign.
- Not sure how not trusting Sashi yet being optimistic about the upcoming draft go together.
Damn you need a hug... bad...
It's an article about our continued accumulation of high-value prospects. Their late-draft/UDFA roots, plus the fact that all these pick-ups were cut primarily because they got caught in their former teams' numbers game, testify to this.
As such the article is not early at all. Were it written two years from now should all pan out, then we'd rip on it for being a self-serving, 20/20 hindsight, POS.
Numbers game crunch? What that means Tour is the teams that cut them perceived their talent level as inferior to the guys the did keep. So essentially, we're dumpster diving in an attempt to find something edible. What needs to happen (and we'll know we've turned the corner) is when other teams start rummaging through our trash. Gee- we lost Scoobie-Doo.
The past is past, but we'd certainly not be winless if the Browns had a couple of guys on the roster they let walk- starting with TJ Ward.
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Any more, I even dont care about the value(cost) honestly....and the last thing Im worried about is protecting Jimmys money......I care about getting impact players and am 100% bored(and tired) with signing a shit ton of lower echelon players....of which we have about 45....bored to tears......
... get me some impact players at a good value(or not, even) and THAT is something worth writing and getting excited about....
Any more, I even dont care about the value(cost) honestly....and the last thing Im worried about is protecting Jimmys money......I care about getting impact players and am 100% bored(and tired) with signing a shit ton of lower echelon players....of which we have about 45....bored to tears......
... get me some impact players at a good value(or not, even) and THAT is something worth writing and getting excited about....
The value I am speaking of (I talk aloud as I type... practicing for SnapDragon) has nothing to do with money. It only has to do with pick/player currency outlay...
But hey.... I tried... at present you are simply beyond my healing powers...
Here is my long-term Rx.... hang in there until the 2017 Draft, my friend. Then take two #1's and call me in the morning...
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Damn you need a hug... bad...
It's an article about our continued accumulation of high-value prospects. Their late-draft/UDFA roots, plus the fact that all these pick-ups were cut primarily because they got caught in their former teams' numbers game, testify to this.
As such the article is not early at all. Were it written two years from now should all pan out, then we'd rip on it for being a self-serving, 20/20 hindsight, POS.
Numbers game crunch? What that means Tour is the teams that cut them perceived their talent level as inferior to the guys the did keep. So essentially, we're dumpster diving in an attempt to find something edible. What needs to happen (and we'll know we've turned the corner) is when other teams start rummaging through our trash. Gee- we lost Scoobie-Doo.
The past is past, but we'd certainly not be winless if the Browns had a couple of guys on the roster they let walk- starting with TJ Ward.
Numbers game crunch? What that means Tour is the teams that cut them perceived their talent level as inferior to the guys the did keep. So essentially, we're dumpster diving in an attempt to find something edible. What needs to happen (and we'll know we've turned the corner) is when other teams start rummaging through our trash. Gee- we lost Scoobie-Doo.
The past is past, but we'd certainly not be winless if the Browns had a couple of guys on the roster they let walk- starting with TJ Ward.
Well...
- TJ is ancient history now...
- Not all dumpsters are created equal, e.g., Burger Chef vs. Bleu Provence...
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Youd almost swear Shashi wrote that article...
I think the article is a year or 2 early for this group.....
Damn you need a hug... bad...
It's an article about our continued accumulation of high-value prospects. Their late-draft/UDFA roots, plus the fact that all these pick-ups were cut primarily because they got caught in their former teams' numbers game, testify to this.
As such the article is not early at all. Were it written two years from now should all pan out, then we'd rip on it for being a self-serving, 20/20 hindsight, POS.
yes war, it is. we definitely mishandled him. we tried to make him play against the packers when he clearly had a fucked up foot. then we fined him when he wouldn't play.
the staff definitely isn't perfect, so enough of the "they can do no wrong" or "in sashi we trust shit".
but i'm optimistic about this draft from here. we can only get better moving forward.
- If releasing K'waun was a mistake, then last I saw he's still available to sign.
- Not sure how not trusting Sashi yet being optimistic about the upcoming draft go together.
- If releasing K'waun was a mistake, then last I saw he's still available to sign.
- Not sure how not trusting Sashi yet being optimistic about the upcoming draft go together.
Didn't say to "not trust him", just get sick of people who think he can't possibly make any mistakes and we should have 110% with the gameplan. The dude is human, and he can definitely make mistakes.
For example I can remember a buddy who I have that's a fan who agreed with every draft pick the browns made, even a mingo, and went about how our front office is genius'. He never questioned anything they were doing. My point was just it's good to be optimistic, but we can't have blind faith in every decision they make like some people do.
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- If releasing K'waun was a mistake, then last I saw he's still available to sign.
- Not sure how not trusting Sashi yet being optimistic about the upcoming draft go together.
Didn't say to "not trust him", just get sick of people who think he can't possibly make any mistakes and we should have 110% with the gameplan. The dude is human, and he can definitely make mistakes.
For example I can remember a buddy who I have that's a fan who agreed with every draft pick the browns made, even a mingo, and went about how our front office is genius'. He never questioned anything they were doing. My point was just it's good to be optimistic, but we can't have blind faith in every decision they make like some people do.
Didn't say to "not trust him", just get sick of people who think he can't possibly make any mistakes and we should have 110% with the gameplan. The dude is human, and he can definitely make mistakes.
Got it.. I apple-a-gize... I let myself get thrown off by the use of third person...
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it's the staff's fault K'Waun isn't on the team anymore?
Yes...it is...100%
fined, then suspended, then cut....for being injured.
Yes...it is...100%
fined, then suspended, then cut....for being injured.
Then cut by the team who signed after that for not being able to pass a physical.
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Then cut by the team who signed after that for not being able to pass a physical.
And replaced by guys just as good/better.
Zombo
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Then cut by the team who signed after that for not being able to pass a physical.
exactly...which 100% confirms his side of the story......
so....to to be sure....it is your opinion that good players, who are injured, should be forced to play a meaningless game....then fined....then suspended....then cut......instead of getting healed and retained.....
you think thats the norm?....got it....
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As much as I liked K'Wuan - he was injury prone. He didn't finish quite a few games he started/worked as our 3rd corner. It's probably a big reason he doesn't have a job today.
I remembered Gipson showing up with a crappy attitude last year because the Browns didn't give him his dream contract when he made the Pro Bowl despite playing only about half the season in 2014. Just out of curiosity, is he lighting it up for the Jacksonville franchise that did throw him the free agent $ he wanted?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Then cut by the team who signed after that for not being able to pass a physical.
exactly...which 100% confirms his side of the story......
so....to to be sure....it is your opinion that good players, who are injured, should be forced to play a meaningless game....then fined....then suspended....then cut......instead of getting healed and retained.....
you think thats the norm?....got it....
Too much talent. He would have made our draft picks look worse than they areexactly...which 100% confirms his side of the story......
so....to to be sure....it is your opinion that good players, who are injured, should be forced to play a meaningless game....then fined....then suspended....then cut......instead of getting healed and retained.....
you think thats the norm?....got it....
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Then cut by the team who signed after that for not being able to pass a physical.
exactly...which 100% confirms his side of the story......
so....to to be sure....it is your opinion that good players, who are injured, should be forced to play a meaningless game....then fined....then suspended....then cut......instead of getting healed and retained.....
you think thats the norm?....got it....
exactly...which 100% confirms his side of the story......
so....to to be sure....it is your opinion that good players, who are injured, should be forced to play a meaningless game....then fined....then suspended....then cut......instead of getting healed and retained.....
you think thats the norm?....got it....
I believe you just won your case Mud! Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, who says you need to be Legally Blonde to win a case?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
As much as I liked K'Wuan - he was injury prone. He didn't finish quite a few games he started/worked as our 3rd corner. It's probably a big reason he doesn't have a job today.
I remembered Gipson showing up with a crappy attitude last year because the Browns didn't give him his dream contract when he made the Pro Bowl despite playing only about half the season in 2014. Just out of curiosity, is he lighting it up for the Jacksonville franchise that did throw him the free agent $ he wanted?
As much as I liked K'Wuan - he was injury prone. He didn't finish quite a few games he started/worked as our 3rd corner. It's probably a big reason he doesn't have a job today.
I remembered Gipson showing up with a crappy attitude last year because the Browns didn't give him his dream contract when he made the Pro Bowl despite playing only about half the season in 2014. Just out of curiosity, is he lighting it up for the Jacksonville franchise that did throw him the free agent $ he wanted?
He needs surgery before he can play....bone spurs...."word" is that 20 teams were prepared to tap him, when Chicago claimed him...
He is in the midst of a grievance with the Browns and, my guess is that he will have the surgery, rehab and then play for someone again....
My beef isnt so much that he's gone....it's that he was mishandled and the staff missed the boat on a very young....affordable....player......which is what we are supposedly trying to collect and build a team with......it's not like we are teeming with young, effective DB's....
Gipson?......not one that I was really sad to see go....and probably not "lighting it up".....but he has started and played every game and is certainly playing better than our FS's......(a position we basically suck at and perhaps the weakest position on a terrible D)
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exactly...which 100% confirms his side of the story......
so....to to be sure....it is your opinion that good players, who are injured, should be forced to play a meaningless game....then fined....then suspended....then cut......instead of getting healed and retained.....
you think thats the norm?....got it....
I believe you just won your case Mud! Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, who says you need to be Legally Blonde to win a case?
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