Stop Saying I told you so
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I'm not one who starts thread, but this shit has been driving me crazy on this forum lately. This Browns 2016 team was going to suck, and that was intentionally the plan. To sit here and act holier than thou in so many threads and say shit like "SEE, I told you guys!" is driving me insane. It's just as stupid as Dareus predicting a win against us this week. Look at the better teams in the NFL right now:
Chiefs
Raiders
Titans
Colts
Dolphins
Bucs
etc.
You know what these guys did before they got good? They sucked and built through the draft. Three of those teams used top 3 picks on the QB position and lived in the bottom of the barrel until they got that right. They purged mediocre talent and got young guys who can play, but young guys don't instantly play at pro bowl levels. We clearly suck, but the point was to clearly suck. Sure we probably suck more than even I expected, but my personal over/under on wins this season was two. I get being frustrated, and I get the argument of this plan not working with previous regimes. The thing is though, this is the 1st time we've truly executed the reboot the way it should be done, at least IMO. You don't hold on to mediocre to below average veterans in lieu of developing young guys. You tank to get that game changing player.
The point is, the goal this year was to suck and we do, in fact, suck. You aren't the smartest guy in the room for saying you knew this was going to happen because we all did.
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Post of the Year !
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I'm not one who starts thread, but this shit has been driving me crazy on this forum lately. This Browns 2016 team was going to suck, and that was intentionally the plan. To sit here and act holier than thou in so many threads and say shit like "SEE, I told you guys!" is driving me insane. It's just as stupid as Dareus predicting a win against us this week. Look at the better teams in the NFL right now:
Chiefs
Raiders
Titans
Colts
Dolphins
Bucs
etc.
You know what these guys did before they got good? They sucked and built through the draft. Three of those teams used top 3 picks on the QB position and lived in the bottom of the barrel until they got that right. They purged mediocre talent and got young guys who can play, but young guys don't instantly play at pro bowl levels. We clearly suck, but the point was to clearly suck. Sure we probably suck more than even I expected, but my personal over/under on wins this season was two. I get being frustrated, and I get the argument of this plan not working with previous regimes. The thing is though, this is the 1st time we've truly executed the reboot the way it should be done, at least IMO. You don't hold on to mediocre to below average veterans in lieu of developing young guys. You tank to get that game changing player.
The point is, the goal this year was to suck and we do, in fact, suck. You aren't the smartest guy in the room for saying you knew this was going to happen because we all did.
You tank to get that game changing player.The point is, the goal this year was to suck and we do, in fact, suck. You aren't the smartest guy in the room for saying you knew this was going to happen because we all did.
So you are guaranteeing that we will not fuck up this coming draft? I feel so much better about the "tank plan" now. I mean look how well we did with this past draft.
BTW if we get #1 overall and trade out of it, I am calling it now. We fucked it up and I told you so.
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You tank to get that game changing player.
The point is, the goal this year was to suck and we do, in fact, suck. You aren't the smartest guy in the room for saying you knew this was going to happen because we all did.
So you are guaranteeing that we will not fuck up this coming draft? I feel so much better about the "tank plan" now. I mean look how well we did with this past draft.
BTW if we get #1 overall and trade out of it, I am calling it now. We fucked it up and I told you so.
So you are guaranteeing that we will not fuck up this coming draft? I feel so much better about the "tank plan" now. I mean look how well we did with this past draft.
BTW if we get #1 overall and trade out of it, I am calling it now. We fucked it up and I told you so.
Please quote me where I said that. What I did say is that in year one of this regime the plan was to tank, which we have. I get not having faith because of past regimes, but the way to build a football team is through drafting players. I think this regime has the most concrete plan of how to draft said players the Browns have had in a long time.
This is literally the shit I'm talking about people.
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Almost gave a "+1", but couldn't... You lost me at 'the goal".
"Sucking" was never "the goal". It was a by-product of the process. There's a difference.
And when the process was compounded by injuries, both too great in number and too focused in at least two key areas... QBs and the OL, the O-fer was in the cards.
At least I see a difference...
Good thread though... good place to coalesce thoughts that have surfaced in more than a couple other threads' meanderings...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Almost gave a "+1", but couldn't... You lost me at 'the goal".
"Sucking" was never "the goal". It was a by-product of the process. There's a difference.
And when the process was compounded by injuries, both too great in number and too focused in at least two key areas... QBs and the OL, the O-fer was in the cards.
At least I see a difference...
Good thread though... good place to coalesce thoughts that have surfaced in more than a couple other threads' meanderings...
Almost gave a "+1", but couldn't... You lost me at 'the goal".
"Sucking" was never "the goal". It was a by-product of the process. There's a difference.
And when the process was compounded by injuries, both too great in number and too focused in at least two key areas... QBs and the OL, the O-fer was in the cards.
At least I see a difference...
Good thread though... good place to coalesce thoughts that have surfaced in more than a couple other threads' meanderings...
Sure, I'll give you those points especially the thing about injuries. It's a moot point now, but starting 5 QB's in a season is just as much bad luck as it is bad football play.
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I take "the point was to suck" a bit differently... the point was to start over, keep the talent that has the expanded
legit qualities they are looking to build their team with, and move the guys who don't fit.
The goal is to build a winning TEAM, and the resulting sucking is temporary, expected, but not really "the point"
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You tank to get that game changing player.
The point is, the goal this year was to suck and we do, in fact, suck. You aren't the smartest guy in the room for saying you knew this was going to happen because we all did.
So you are guaranteeing that we will not fuck up this coming draft? I feel so much better about the "tank plan" now. I mean look how well we did with this past draft.
BTW if we get #1 overall and trade out of it, I am calling it now. We fucked it up and I told you so.
So you are guaranteeing that we will not fuck up this coming draft? I feel so much better about the "tank plan" now. I mean look how well we did with this past draft.
BTW if we get #1 overall and trade out of it, I am calling it now. We fucked it up and I told you so.
So our last draft sucked? You're hanging your hat on that one? Better be careful with that.
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Yep, I knew we'd suck. No one believed me, but who's laughing now?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Yep, I knew we'd suck. No one believed me, but who's laughing now?
I think it's more of that laughing at first that slowly turns into crying type of thing.
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I like the way these guys are doing it. Sure its the most painful thing ive ever witnessed, but it actually feels right this time. Purging all the past years mediocre talent has been this teams biggest issue till this year. Browns have been trying to make it work with Trail mix. Weve had 3-4, 5-2, 4-3, and hybrid guys on defense while on offense tryin to make it work with spread, west coast, ground and pound and WildDawg characters. This team has had no identity for over a decade and these guys are basically using the eraser till they have a blank sheet. Sticking with these guys for a long period of time will result in better continuity and at the very least give the next group of guys a better shot at correcting the problem. The next regime will say "Well at least I can see what they were doing."
I wonder if Joe Thomas keeps his offensive playbooks that new coaches or coordinators give him. Can you imagine. He opens up a closet door and a chizinsky playbook falls out and he picks it up and is like hold on I think I have the 2nd one he gave me a few later in here. And he just starts going thru a stack of playbooks
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Yep. These guys are f'ing annoying. Even some of those who are NOT jumping off the cliff now predicted that we would suck, so why are the cliffjumpers bragging about how they called it? You made a prediction about as easy to make as "the Patriots will make the playoffs this year if Brady stays healthy." Congrats, geniuses! Now go pat yourself on the back elsewhere. The rest of us want to have meaningful conversation.
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So you are guaranteeing that we will not fuck up this coming draft? I feel so much better about the "tank plan" now. I mean look how well we did with this past draft.
BTW if we get #1 overall and trade out of it, I am calling it now. We fucked it up and I told you so.
So our last draft sucked? You're hanging your hat on that one? Better be careful with that.
So our last draft sucked? You're hanging your hat on that one? Better be careful with that.
Reread it Tim. I said IF we trade out of #1 overall, then we fucked up. Has nothing to do with the last one, just this one coming up. And if we do that I'm calling it a fuck up now. We need great payers now, not a volume of more players.
And yes in the first sentence I do feel we did not do a great job overall. A lot of reaches.
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So our last draft sucked? You're hanging your hat on that one? Better be careful with that.
Reread it Tim. I said IF we trade out of #1 overall, then we fucked up. Has nothing to do with the last one, just this one coming up. And if we do that I'm calling it a fuck up now. We need great payers now, not a volume of more players.
And yes in the first sentence I do feel we did not do a great job overall. A lot of reaches.
Reread it Tim. I said IF we trade out of #1 overall, then we fucked up. Has nothing to do with the last one, just this one coming up. And if we do that I'm calling it a fuck up now. We need great payers now, not a volume of more players.
And yes in the first sentence I do feel we did not do a great job overall. A lot of reaches.
I agree with this coming draft, save for a truly blockbuster deal.
I think we nabbed more than a handful of long term starters and role players in this last draft, which we did not have prior. I count four guys off the top of my head who could turn into easy long term starters for us.
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I don't understand why the same people saying "we have needs everywhere, our roster blows, not one position is set, etc." are the same ones saying they will blow up a mall if we trade back.
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I'm not one who starts thread, but this shit has been driving me crazy on this forum lately. This Browns 2016 team was going to suck, and that was intentionally the plan. To sit here and act holier than thou in so many threads and say shit like "SEE, I told you guys!" is driving me insane. It's just as stupid as Dareus predicting a win against us this week. Look at the better teams in the NFL right now:
Chiefs
Raiders
Titans
Colts
Dolphins
Bucs
etc.
You know what these guys did before they got good? They sucked and built through the draft. Three of those teams used top 3 picks on the QB position and lived in the bottom of the barrel until they got that right. They purged mediocre talent and got young guys who can play, but young guys don't instantly play at pro bowl levels. We clearly suck, but the point was to clearly suck. Sure we probably suck more than even I expected, but my personal over/under on wins this season was two. I get being frustrated, and I get the argument of this plan not working with previous regimes. The thing is though, this is the 1st time we've truly executed the reboot the way it should be done, at least IMO. You don't hold on to mediocre to below average veterans in lieu of developing young guys. You tank to get that game changing player.
The point is, the goal this year was to suck and we do, in fact, suck. You aren't the smartest guy in the room for saying you knew this was going to happen because we all did.
Great thread!
You are EXACTLY right....This IS the first time we've done this "reboot" the way it should be done, so we are actually soon to be entering year 2, not year 18. I'm with you, let's give this a chance....Maybe even by ATTENDING the games & SUPPORTING the Team put on the field.
Mike
I'm not one who starts thread, but this shit has been driving me crazy on this forum lately. This Browns 2016 team was going to suck, and that was intentionally the plan. To sit here and act holier than thou in so many threads and say shit like "SEE, I told you guys!" is driving me insane. It's just as stupid as Dareus predicting a win against us this week. Look at the better teams in the NFL right now:
Chiefs
Raiders
Titans
Colts
Dolphins
Bucs
etc.
You know what these guys did before they got good? They sucked and built through the draft. Three of those teams used top 3 picks on the QB position and lived in the bottom of the barrel until they got that right. They purged mediocre talent and got young guys who can play, but young guys don't instantly play at pro bowl levels. We clearly suck, but the point was to clearly suck. Sure we probably suck more than even I expected, but my personal over/under on wins this season was two. I get being frustrated, and I get the argument of this plan not working with previous regimes. The thing is though, this is the 1st time we've truly executed the reboot the way it should be done, at least IMO. You don't hold on to mediocre to below average veterans in lieu of developing young guys. You tank to get that game changing player.
The point is, the goal this year was to suck and we do, in fact, suck. You aren't the smartest guy in the room for saying you knew this was going to happen because we all did.
Great thread!
You are EXACTLY right....This IS the first time we've done this "reboot" the way it should be done, so we are actually soon to be entering year 2, not year 18. I'm with you, let's give this a chance....Maybe even by ATTENDING the games & SUPPORTING the Team put on the field.
Mike
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A message so good it had to be said twice!
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Yep, I knew we'd suck. No one believed me, but who's laughing now?
Ic wut you did there. <golf clap>
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Building through the draft means drafting good players, not skipping over can't miss prospects for some no name butterfinger wr
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