Can This Draft Start like our 1978 Draft?
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Some years there's a reason to value a position more than others.
Watch the video. If you still feel it would be much smarter for us to hand OJ Howard to Baltimore or Pittsburgh instead of drafting him I'll make sure you never stop getting credit for such wisdom. I promise.
OK rate "biggest areas of need" for the upcoming draft Tom. I'll disagree that TE is #2 on the list, or you want to tell me fixing the dumpster fire in the defensive backfield isn't more important? We have Haden coming off an injury- and a whole lot of unproven nothing. I won't even fire up the qb debate.
If your fave goes to a division rival? Boo hoo. Hell, until we have every pick in the first round- we can't fix all the holes in one year. The Browns were totally deconstructed last year on purpose for good or ill. I have around 5 guys on my "needs" list I'll rate higher than a TE, doubtful they'll all be gone @ #12. If we take him that's fine, but I can't see the Browns following a darn near 40 year old model as the path to success. As great as Matthews and Ozzie were- the Browns SB appearance record? Still wating......
OK rate "biggest areas of need" for the upcoming draft Tom. I'll disagree that TE is #2 on the list, or you want to tell me fixing the dumpster fire in the defensive backfield isn't more important? We have Haden coming off an injury- and a whole lot of unproven nothing. I won't even fire up the qb debate.
If your fave goes to a division rival? Boo hoo. Hell, until we have every pick in the first round- we can't fix all the holes in one year. The Browns were totally deconstructed last year on purpose for good or ill. I have around 5 guys on my "needs" list I'll rate higher than a TE, doubtful they'll all be gone @ #12. If we take him that's fine, but I can't see the Browns following a darn near 40 year old model as the path to success. As great as Matthews and Ozzie were- the Browns SB appearance record? Still wating......
I'm not sure if you saw the flow of discussion about BPA despite some valid concerns you had. I agree we have needs everywhere. That said, if we go pass rusher at #1 overall - it helps our secondary a lot. It limits how long they have to cover people and maybe even forces a turnovers (like we saw Atlanta doing to Rodgers and even Brady). The draft is deep at secondary so it won't stop at #12. I promise you. Haden only had hernia surgery while Eric Berry from his draft class came back from cancer, surgery and chemo treatments to put together a fabulous season.
As for SB appearances, can you make one when you're rarely winning more than 3-4 games every year? Or is it more possible if you're making it into AFC Championship Games and frequenting playoffs? We made 3 AFC Championship Games when Ozzie was here and made the playoffs more in the 80s than any other decade of my life. The only thing we were missing back then was an elite edge rusher, which we can/will draft 1st overall. Right now, we don't have an X-factor in our passing game to help whatever QB we'll be counting on. Those of you only seeing Howard as the next Kyle Brady aren't seeing him the way a Sean Payton or Ozzie Newsome will be seeing him. They'll see him as an attack piece on their gridiron chess table where they can line him up inside or outside to create mismatches. That's how a Jimmy Graham frequented Pro Bowls...
After we go defense #1 overall - OJ Howard is an offensive guy I think will be the BPA at #12 at a position we only got 38 receptions in 2 TDs from in 2016 from a guy turns 32 in September. It's a need especially at a position many QBs lean on heavily. That said, I agree there will probably be some defensive talent on our doorstep at #12 too (even though some of our needs have really good depth in this draft). But some won't be a pick of the litter or even the 2nd pick of a litter that you'd be preferring to a pick of a litter at another position. There will be some really good DBs on the board in round 2. There may also be some available in free agency.
Based on what you said about the deconstruction, you know we're not fixing everything in this draft or in just 1 draft slot. Some day, we're going to have to make this an easier place to play QB if we ever want to stop adding names to the t-shirt. Let's just say we shock the world and draft your boy Trubisky first - are you really going to tell me all you want for him is already here? We need play makers on both sides of the ball and there will be a lot of BPA matching bare cupboards so we should also consider which positions of need are deeper in this draft in our thinking to remind us why we need to stick to the BPA...
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It is time for the Browns to take a radical turn and select BPA regardless of specific needs rather than continue what they have always done, chase the need (and their tails) into losing season after losing season. Need chasing has been a total disaster. Take the overall BPA regardless of who we covet for a particular position. Do it every single pick.
Want to fill a need? Use FA.
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It is time for the Browns to take a radical turn and select BPA regardless of specific needs rather than continue what they have always done, chase the need (and their tails) into losing season after losing season. Need chasing has been a total disaster. Take the overall BPA regardless of who we covet for a particular position. Do it every single pick.
Want to fill a need? Use FA.
It is time for the Browns to take a radical turn and select BPA regardless of specific needs rather than continue what they have always done, chase the need (and their tails) into losing season after losing season. Need chasing has been a total disaster. Take the overall BPA regardless of who we covet for a particular position. Do it every single pick.
Want to fill a need? Use FA.
Precisely. We have enough bare cupboards where BPA will match need anyway.
I'm expecting at least 1 QB to go in the top 11 (& maybe a reach for another one) after we take Garrett at #1 overall. Fournette will probably get picked somewhere in there too and maybe Mike Williams while I think the other 6 picks will be a lot of defensive players many of us are eye balling. Counting Garrett, I'm thinking 7 defensive players are off the board when #12 comes up. I agree we should go BPA at #12 and I think it'll be Howard.
There is a possible monkey wrench to that Canton Mike told me he learned about. He heard Foster (LB from Alabama) is having rotator cuff surgery that will keep him out 4 months = no combines/pre-draft workouts. This could conceivably slide him down to #12. If so, I'd be ecstatic to have a choice of Foster or Howard at that spot and give either choice a 2 thumbs up.
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It is time for the Browns to take a radical turn and select BPA regardless of specific needs rather than continue what they have always done, chase the need (and their tails) into losing season after losing season. Need chasing has been a total disaster. Take the overall BPA regardless of who we covet for a particular position. Do it every single pick.
Want to fill a need? Use FA.
It is time for the Browns to take a radical turn and select BPA regardless of specific needs rather than continue what they have always done, chase the need (and their tails) into losing season after losing season. Need chasing has been a total disaster. Take the overall BPA regardless of who we covet for a particular position. Do it every single pick.
Want to fill a need? Use FA.
I agree. It is sad just thinking about all the impact players we passed over in previous drafts to get the duds.
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It is time for the Browns to take a radical turn and select BPA regardless of specific needs rather than continue what they have always done, chase the need (and their tails) into losing season after losing season. Need chasing has been a total disaster. Take the overall BPA regardless of who we covet for a particular position. Do it every single pick.
Want to fill a need? Use FA.
I agree. It is sad just thinking about all the impact players we passed over in previous drafts to get the duds.
I agree. It is sad just thinking about all the impact players we passed over in previous drafts to get the duds.
Me too. Speaking of BPA, when Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers even though they already had Brett Favre playing like a Hall of Fame QB - should people have complained about need?
And why would a SF trade for a Steve Young when they already had a HOF caliber Joe Montana on top of his game? Where was the need?
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Here's a link showing the mock drafts from Todd McShay and DJ which is related to this debate:
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It's a great TE debate & great depth in both Draft & FA's at TE. But my concern would be with this new anna & linics FO should we not see things like this coming before we take a 5th rounder on a Devalve? UDFA JP Holtz? Don't think Telfair passed his Hue exam either? So yea, we should be in the TE Market
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Taking a TE at #12 is a stretch for any team but an unproven, and ineffective offense makes the pick even riskier.
The Browns have more needs than a "could be great" TE.How about a "will be great" TE?
Also not sure how the the poor state of the Offense makes the selection of one of the few impact players in the draft on that side of the ball "riskier".
How about a "will be great" TE?
Also not sure how the the poor state of the Offense makes the selection of one of the few impact players in the draft on that side of the ball "riskier".
This was the justification for Corey Coleman.
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Ok one last time. I didn't "mock" Howard at all.
I made the thread about Howard who happens to play TE. And these are cut and pastes of your comments:
"Winter is getting long as the season is but a distant memory if we are now chatting about the next TE for the Cleveland Browns"
"We can't block or defend but hey a TE as the 12th pick, great call."
If that's not mocking what he offers us - I'm not interested in any more spin from you. Like I said, I let the first one slide. I might have even considered letting the next one slide if there wasn't a smart ass "great call" at the end of it from you.
All that, and you went right back to telling me how many TEs have been picked in the first round as if it'll have anything to do with Howard as a BPA. After people saw the way Payton used Jimmy Graham in the SB Championship season - and Gronk has also been lining up outside more often - is TE still just the boring stereotype you can only see? There is no getting you to see that position has evolved past Kyle Brady in the 90s especially when you're too busy repeating the Rain Man reply "yeah, no tight ends drafted in the 1st round the last 10 years..."
I made the thread about Howard who happens to play TE. And these are cut and pastes of your comments:
"Winter is getting long as the season is but a distant memory if we are now chatting about the next TE for the Cleveland Browns"
"We can't block or defend but hey a TE as the 12th pick, great call."
If that's not mocking what he offers us - I'm not interested in any more spin from you. Like I said, I let the first one slide. I might have even considered letting the next one slide if there wasn't a smart ass "great call" at the end of it from you.
All that, and you went right back to telling me how many TEs have been picked in the first round as if it'll have anything to do with Howard as a BPA. After people saw the way Payton used Jimmy Graham in the SB Championship season - and Gronk has also been lining up outside more often - is TE still just the boring stereotype you can only see? There is no getting you to see that position has evolved past Kyle Brady in the 90s especially when you're too busy repeating the Rain Man reply "yeah, no tight ends drafted in the 1st round the last 10 years..."
Not mocking Howard at all. Poked fun at discussing picking a TE #12 when we can't block, catch, throw or defend. If you don't think positions slot in the draft then you don't need to respond.
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This was the justification for Corey Coleman.
I must have missed that article...
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This was the justification for Corey Coleman.
I must have missed that article...
I must have missed that article...
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Instant blur off the snap. Feet turn over at a blinding pace and he devours cushion before cornerbacks know what hit them. Able to get over the top of every corner he faced and demands safety help over the top. Works back to the ball. Explosive leaper with ability to climb ladder and win the 50/50 ball and body control to secure the acrobatic catch. Touchdown maker finishing 2015 with 20 receiving touchdowns. Smooth, speedy stems to the post will be difficult to mirror and match for NFL cornerbacks. Easy route adjustments in space. Defenders who try to jam and miss pay the iron price (touchdowns). Able to make tacklers miss in tight spaces. Has experience as ball carrier and punt returner. Heavily targeted (39 percent) in Baylor's highΒ-flying attack.
WEAKNESSES Does his best work from outside the numbers, but lacks desired NFL size to play outside. Allows cornerbacks to leverage him against the sideline on deep throws. Takes longer than expected to gear down for comeback routes after hitting top speed. Ran limited number of simple routes. Hands are a concern. Fails to catch away from his body. Dropped 10 passes for a drop rate of 11.9 percent. Loses focus and concentration on routes that work towards the middle of the field or when he senses defenders are closing in. Had sports hernia surgery that forced him to miss his bowl game.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 1 or 2 SOURCES TELL US "He's my top receiver. Now this is for what we do so he's going to be tops for me. He can do a lot of things and I'm not worried about those simple routes because he's got some gifts to work with. Like him a lot more than (Laquon) Treadwell or the Notre Dame guy (Will Fuller)" -- AFC wide receivers coach
NFL COMPARISON John Brown
BOTTOM LINE Dangerous vertical talent with the ability to get over the top of defenders who fail to recognize his blazing quickness off the line of scrimmage. Coleman can get instant separation to create favorable passing windows and is one of the top playmakers in this draft. Coleman's issues with drops near the middle of the field could be a concern if teams see him next as a slot receiver due to his lack of size. Regardless, he can line up outside and win and he offers immediate punt return help.
Raw talent, ton of upside. And again not writing him off but I think there were other players who could have been taken at #15 like Keanu Neal -
I must have missed that article...
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Instant blur off the snap. Feet turn over at a blinding pace and he devours cushion before cornerbacks know what hit them. Able to get over the top of every corner he faced and demands safety help over the top. Works back to the ball. Explosive leaper with ability to climb ladder and win the 50/50 ball and body control to secure the acrobatic catch. Touchdown maker finishing 2015 with 20 receiving touchdowns. Smooth, speedy stems to the post will be difficult to mirror and match for NFL cornerbacks. Easy route adjustments in space. Defenders who try to jam and miss pay the iron price (touchdowns). Able to make tacklers miss in tight spaces. Has experience as ball carrier and punt returner. Heavily targeted (39 percent) in Baylor's highΒ-flying attack.
WEAKNESSES Does his best work from outside the numbers, but lacks desired NFL size to play outside. Allows cornerbacks to leverage him against the sideline on deep throws. Takes longer than expected to gear down for comeback routes after hitting top speed. Ran limited number of simple routes. Hands are a concern. Fails to catch away from his body. Dropped 10 passes for a drop rate of 11.9 percent. Loses focus and concentration on routes that work towards the middle of the field or when he senses defenders are closing in. Had sports hernia surgery that forced him to miss his bowl game.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 1 or 2 SOURCES TELL US "He's my top receiver. Now this is for what we do so he's going to be tops for me. He can do a lot of things and I'm not worried about those simple routes because he's got some gifts to work with. Like him a lot more than (Laquon) Treadwell or the Notre Dame guy (Will Fuller)" -- AFC wide receivers coach
NFL COMPARISON John Brown
BOTTOM LINE Dangerous vertical talent with the ability to get over the top of defenders who fail to recognize his blazing quickness off the line of scrimmage. Coleman can get instant separation to create favorable passing windows and is one of the top playmakers in this draft. Coleman's issues with drops near the middle of the field could be a concern if teams see him next as a slot receiver due to his lack of size. Regardless, he can line up outside and win and he offers immediate punt return help.
Raw talent, ton of upside. And again not writing him off but I think there were other players who could have been taken at #15 like Keanu NealRaw talent, ton of upside. And again not writing him off but I think there were other players who could have been taken at #15 like Keanu Neal
its a good thought bacon, but did we know gordon was not going to be a dope again? & TP was coming off a 1 completion season..
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I made the thread about Howard who happens to play TE. And these are cut and pastes of your comments:
"Winter is getting long as the season is but a distant memory if we are now chatting about the next TE for the Cleveland Browns"
"We can't block or defend but hey a TE as the 12th pick, great call."
If that's not mocking what he offers us - I'm not interested in any more spin from you. Like I said, I let the first one slide. I might have even considered letting the next one slide if there wasn't a smart ass "great call" at the end of it from you.
All that, and you went right back to telling me how many TEs have been picked in the first round as if it'll have anything to do with Howard as a BPA. After people saw the way Payton used Jimmy Graham in the SB Championship season - and Gronk has also been lining up outside more often - is TE still just the boring stereotype you can only see? There is no getting you to see that position has evolved past Kyle Brady in the 90s especially when you're too busy repeating the Rain Man reply "yeah, no tight ends drafted in the 1st round the last 10 years..."
Not mocking Howard at all. Poked fun at discussing picking a TE #12 when we can't block, catch, throw or defend. If you don't think positions slot in the draft then you don't need to respond.
Not mocking Howard at all. Poked fun at discussing picking a TE #12 when we can't block, catch, throw or defend. If you don't think positions slot in the draft then you don't need to respond.
QBs slot and it's killed countless franchises.
Do Safeties always get drafted where Eric Turner was? No. The Browns drafted a unique talent.
When you get to the teens of round 1, usually the top/projected franchise QBs are gone. As you know, this year doesn't have a lot of projected franchise QBs. Howard plays a position that scores TDs and does that blocking you you worried about. The video of the Clemson game linked showed a lot of good blocks, good hands - 3 different receptions exceeded 50 yards within the 200 yard receiving night, and 2 TDs in a National Championship victory he X-factored.
And now you're talking about Corey Coleman, who doesn't catch with his hands like Howard does. Why would that be important in traffic? Why would an ideal catch radius on a 6'6" target help in traffic? And if the guy can jet, Safeties have to worry about him instead of helping on Pryor when our 32 year old Barnidge is moving around like he has Roseann Barr riding on his shoulder pads. When you only get 2 TDs from your starting TE in an entire season - the position is hibernating.
The link below is similar to the debate me and you had between Gribble and Zegura discussing McShay's and DJ's mock drafts. The only difference is Gribble isn't a smart ass. I like the points Zegura brought up about him standing out at the Senior Bowl and the week of practices in front of our coaches while you'll undoubtedly like what Gribble is saying.The last time Hue coached a good TE from round 1 (Eifert) - he got 13 TD receptions in 1 season from the position. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Gribble--Zegura-review-national-mock-drafts/76d60a15-f220-49c5-929d-106abbb5b792
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TE's drafted in the 1st round the last 10 years
2016 - 0
2015 - 0
2014 - Eric Ebron 10th - Lions
2013 - Tyler Eifert 21st - Bengals
2012 - 0
2011 - 0
2010 - Jermaine Gresham 21st - Bengals
2009 - Brandon Pettigrew 20th - Lions
2008 - Dustin Keller 30th - Jets
2007 - Greg Olsen 30th - Bears
Olsen only one worth a first round pick in that list. You can clearly see Ebron only one going 1-19 and you want us to look at #12? While I won't dismiss taking a TE in round 1, top 20 better be the next coming of Gronk and you better have the offense to put him in.
TE's drafted in the 1st round the last 10 years
2016 - 0
2015 - 0
2014 - Eric Ebron 10th - Lions
2013 - Tyler Eifert 21st - Bengals
2012 - 0
2011 - 0
2010 - Jermaine Gresham 21st - Bengals
2009 - Brandon Pettigrew 20th - Lions
2008 - Dustin Keller 30th - Jets
2007 - Greg Olsen 30th - Bears
Olsen only one worth a first round pick in that list. You can clearly see Ebron only one going 1-19 and you want us to look at #12? While I won't dismiss taking a TE in round 1, top 20 better be the next coming of Gronk and you better have the offense to put him in.
and one other thing... it's convenient you left out 2006. Davis was the sixth pick overall, a TE.
I think Howard is a star immediate impact player. I will say this: With Foster's injury, it reminds me that
I read where his physical style of play would risk a shorter career. That perception in whatever
draft profile it was comes back to haunt him. I wouldn't take him now - the Browns need an
immediate dramatic impact player.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Davis
No. 85βWashington Redskins Position: Tight end Personal information Date of birth: January 31, 1984 (age 33) Place of birth: Washington, D.C. Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 248 lb (112 kg) Career information High school: Washington (DC) Dunbar College: Maryland NFL Draft: 2006 / Round: 1 / Pick: 6 Career history
- San Francisco 49ers (2006β2015)
- Denver Broncos (2015)
- Washington Redskins (2016βpresent)
Roster status: Active Career highlights and awards
- Super Bowl champion (50)
- National Football Conference champion (2012)
- American Football Conference champion (2015)
- 2Γ Pro Bowl (2009, 2013)
- Second-team All-Pro (2013)
- NFL receiving touchdowns leader (2009)
Career NFL statistics as of 2016 Receptions: 505 Receiving yards: 6,424 Receiving touchdowns: 57 Player stats at NFL.com
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Furthermore - on BPA. If we look at, for argument's sake, the top 19 (I missed one)..players
according to CBSsports....given that we are going to draft an immediate impact player,
it's Garrett. He's elite at the top. But Allen, Thomas, Adams, Cook, Lattimore fill out the
non-injured players that fit for the Browns on defense - referring to immediate dramatic impact.
We have wr's.
So, if you have a great pass rush, why would a team draft Garrett, when Adams fits as a dramatic impact BPA?
If you already have the best defense in the NFL, adding a defensive bpa doesn't work
to help you dramatically. So, you are looking at trading down a few spots, and Howard or Cook
are the dramatic immediate impact players.
It's like the logical analogy "A is to B as C is to D"
Meaning, "Garrett/Allen/Thomas/Adams/Lattimore is to Defense as Cook/Howard/Trubisky is to Offense" If both hold true, then
what you NEED comes into play. If they don't, and you don't see Trubisky as an immediate impact
player, then you go from there. When you start looking into who the players are -character, work ethic,
love for the game, durability ...etc etc etc... you get to narrow down your legit picks
for your team. The Browns do not have the luxury of picking a currently injured player
early. Immediate impact probably goes out the window.
Having said that, I would love to win the lottery and be allowed to sit in on pre-draft discussions.
The Browns need pass rush/secondary on defense... and qb/OL/TE on offense.
It's a deep draft in cb's... it's complicated. If I had my elite qb and defense,
then I'm looking at other players on offense as the BPA, if they qualify as dramatic
impact players. Will my cb/rb pick be available later? Foreman? a great small school
cb/fs that could be there in the second round?
That is the same for the top few picks as the twelth pick. Who ranks as the players
with those qualities, who will be there at 12.
On both sides of the ball, it's Garrett at one. If my dline had been all set, it would be
Adams or Lattimore. If my entire defense was fine, it would be Trubisky, Cook or Howard, and
rb is way too high, I could trade down with the Bears and get Howard...
I think I need to go have pancakes and coffee for breakfast....
Myles Garrett DETJonathan Allen DTSolomon Thomas DEMalik Hooker Injured FSDalvin Cook RBJamal Adams SSReuben Foster Injured ILBMike Williams WRLeonard FournetteInjured RBMarshon Lattimore CBO.J. Howard TEMitch Trubisky QBJabrill Peppers SSRyan Ramczyk Injured OTTeez Tabor CBCorey Davis WR -
Maybe decaf... your energy level seems fine.
Beyond the QB position, "impact" on the O-side is much harder for a single player to generate.
Maybe decaf... your energy level seems fine.
Beyond the QB position, "impact" on the O-side is much harder for a single player to generate.
Point well taken.
Why is that? The defense is to stop them, but the offense knows what it is going to do,
the defense generally doesn't...reacts..
I'll have to think about that one. How so?
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Here's a link showing the mock drafts from Todd McShay and DJ which is related to this debate:
Here's a link showing the mock drafts from Todd McShay and DJ which is related to this debate:
Again, I have said it over and over, MT will not fall to us at 12. Not with as many as 5 teams in the Top 10 looking for QB.
I would be thrilled if it happens.
But, it won't.
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Maybe decaf... your energy level seems fine.
Beyond the QB position, "impact" on the O-side is much harder for a single player to generate.
Point well taken.
Why is that? The defense is to stop them, but the offense knows what it is going to do,
the defense generally doesn't...reacts..
I'll have to think about that one. How so?
I'll have to think about that one. How so?
I'll take a shot.
OL - while LT and C are key positions, impact is cumulative. There is no other player group where the unit is everything. We saw dramatically in 2015 how one weak position undermined an otherwise very strong unit.
WR - because he's half the equation. While a great #1 can elevate his QB, his impact is QB limited. Add the consideration that one, great WR can always be doubled and dependence upon the WR corps' cumulative proficiency emerges.
RB - the genesis of the game has taken its toll, but the position's impact has always been heavily reliant upon the OL group. That said, the right combination of acceleration, speed, power, agility, balance, hands and field vision behind the right line can be impactful, but that is a fairly rare combination to have in abundance across the board.
TE - going to struggle with this one a little more... A truly complete TE, one that can block and receive, can generate his own impact. Is it limited by his QB as I argued was the case for WRs? Sure, but the unique, match-up issues he creates, especially out of offensive sets where the run has to honored as well as the pass, elevate his impact.
Surprisingly I think I just may have argued that TE is second only to QB in impact...
Now I'm going to have to think about that one...
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I'll have to think about that one. How so?
I'll take a shot.
OL - while LT and C are key positions, impact is cumulative. There is no other player group where the unit is everything. We saw dramatically in 2015 how one weak position undermined an otherwise very strong unit.
WR - because he's half the equation. While a great #1 can elevate his QB, his impact is QB limited. Add the consideration that one, great WR can always be doubled and dependence upon the WR corps' cumulative proficiency emerges.
RB - the genesis of the game has taken its toll, but the position's impact has always been heavily reliant upon the OL group. That said, the right combination of acceleration, speed, power, agility, balance, hands and field vision behind the right line can be impactful, but that is a fairly rare combination to have in abundance across the board.
TE - going to struggle with this one a little more... A truly complete TE, one that can block and receive, can generate his own impact. Is it limited by his QB as I argued was the case for WRs? Sure, but the unique, match-up issues he creates, especially out of offensive sets where the run has to honored as well as the pass, elevate his impact.
Surprisingly I think I just may have argued that TE is second only to QB in impact...
Now I'm going to have to think about that one...
Surprisingly I think I just may have argued that TE is second only to QB in impact...Now I'm going to have to think about that one...
LOL! Brady, Brees, and especially Rivers just might agree with you on that.
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