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NFL Divisional shake up- changes needed

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  • I know this idea may make some fans ponder my thoughts, some may agree, or see my point, and some may say stop the madness. Here is what's on my mind. Changes in divisions;

    AFC EAST - PATRIOTS, BILLS, JETS, RAVENS

    AFC NORTH - BROWNS, BENGALS, STEELERS, COLTS

    AFC SOUTH - TITANS, JAGUARS, DOLPHINS, TEXANS

    NFC EAST - GIANTS, EAGLES, REDSKINS, PANTHERS

    NFC SOUTH - COWBOYS, SAINTS, FALCONS, BUCCANEERS

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • Just one question... Why? Beyond the obviously improved sense of geography, why?

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  • WHY? Well why is the Patriots in the AFC EAST, and not the AFC North ? Its a never ending question with geographic answers.

    Personally I would love to see the Colts face the Browns twice a year, and seeing the Steelers & Colts meet as well. The Cowboys should be in the NFC South .

  • BrownsfaninPaB BrownsfaninPa

    I know this idea may make some fans ponder my thoughts, some may agree, or see my point, and some may say stop the madness. Here is what's on my mind. Changes in divisions;

    AFC EAST - PATRIOTS, BILLS, JETS, RAVENS

    AFC NORTH - BROWNS, BENGALS, STEELERS, COLTS

    AFC SOUTH - TITANS, JAGUARS, DOLPHINS, TEXANS

    NFC EAST - GIANTS, EAGLES, REDSKINS, PANTHERS

    NFC SOUTH - COWBOYS, SAINTS, FALCONS, BUCCANEERS

    @brownsfaninpa said:

    I know this idea may make some fans ponder my thoughts, some may agree, or see my point, and some may say stop the madness. Here is what's on my mind. Changes in divisions;

    AFC EAST - PATRIOTS, BILLS, JETS, RAVENS

    AFC NORTH - BROWNS, BENGALS, STEELERS, COLTS

    AFC SOUTH - TITANS, JAGUARS, DOLPHINS, TEXANS

    NFC EAST - GIANTS, EAGLES, REDSKINS, PANTHERS

    NFC SOUTH - COWBOYS, SAINTS, FALCONS, BUCCANEERS

    These have been discussed before. I assume that by not listing the other division your plan would be to leave them as is?

    Sure, these make sense....but, a few things.....

    A. Jerry Jones would not want to move the Cowboys....as the other teams in his current division are NY, Phil, Wash DC...and he thinks he is a fucking big timer and would not want to "stoop" to being in a division with smaller city teams. Plus, maybe he wants to keep the Cowboys and Indians rivalry going.

    B. Miami thinks it is a Northeastern city, not a southeastern city. Tons and tons and tons of Native New Yorkers have migrated to Miami (many Jewish)...so they want to keep that connection to NY.

    C. The league seems to think that Baltimore has natural rivalries with Pittsburgh and Cleveland. With CLE...it is a remnant of "the move". With Pitt, it is just the fact that those two have now been predominant in the division for a decade and a half or more, so there has been good competition there and they don't want to disturb that. If the Rats had been as shitty as the Browns have been, it may have been a different story.

    D. In your scheme, Charlotte NC is really a more natural rival with its fellow southern cities Atlanta, Tampa, NO...so that one is a non sequiter.

  • Swap Miami and Indy. And even that I'd be hesitant about because Miami is, as Gipper said, a northern city.

    The rest is fine.

  • W wargograw

    Swap Miami and Indy. And even that I'd be hesitant about because Miami is, as Gipper said, a northern city.

    The rest is fine.

    @wargograw said:

    Swap Miami and Indy. And even that I'd be hesitant about because Miami is, as Gipper said, a northern city.

    The rest is fine.

    Having family from Florida, you must all know the old adage: In Florida, the more northern you go, the more southern you git. And vice versa.

  • Kill the Bengals, move the Bills over, fuck Brooklyn Decker.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride

  • Ghoul - why aren't you a Rams fan? They were the original Cleveland football team, no?

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    The GipperT Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • OrionO Orion

    Ghoul - why aren't you a Rams fan? They were the original Cleveland football team, no?

    @orion said:

    Ghoul - why aren't you a Rams fan? They were the original Cleveland football team, no?

    I am still waiting for the return of the Akron Pros.

  • providence_steam_rollers_poster-r05dbe68

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    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • OrionO Orion

    Ghoul - why aren't you a Rams fan? They were the original Cleveland football team, no?

    @orion said:

    They were the original Cleveland football team, no?

    That honor would belong to the Cleveland Tigers of the American Professional Football Association (APFA)... which was later renamed the NFL.

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  • OrionO Orion

    providence_steam_rollers_poster-r05dbe68

    @orion said:

    providence_steam_rollers_poster-r05dbe68

    They, with the Pats titles give New England 5 total titles. Maybe 6 after Sunday. Of course, compare that to the 13 that both Green Bay Wisc. and Greater Cleveland/NEOhio have.

  • Since we can claim areas now for titles, let's just lump west PA in there and get Pittsburghs too.

    Maybe extend out to the coast and up to Canada and grab all of NE's as well.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
    The GipperT 1 Reply
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  • I wouldn't mind going to the "cleveland tigers".

  • C Clevfan4life

    I wouldn't mind going to the "cleveland tigers".

    @clevfan4life said:

    I wouldn't mind going to the "cleveland tigers".

    You realize that Bengals are tigers, right?

    Zombo

  • @ghoolie said:

    Cleveland does not have 13 fucking titles. They have the 1964 NFL Championship and 12 Boyscout Badges earned with leather helmets

    I should think that we could go back to the 1950's and have 4 titles to our credit.

    The Browns in Cleveland are a fake team. The Browns are in Baltimore and are now called the Ravens.

    There are other ways for someone to say, "Whoh, that's not my team any more!" The team doesn't have to move. The owner could sell the team...and change the entire front office...and start hacking the players off the team for new ones....this owner could change the uniforms into clown outfits...

    What if the Browns never moved? And Art ended up selling the team to Haslam? - "Hey, that's not the organization that 'I' rooted for. MY team's gone and dead forever"

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    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    Since we can claim areas now for titles, let's just lump west PA in there and get Pittsburghs too.

    Maybe extend out to the coast and up to Canada and grab all of NE's as well.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Since we can claim areas now for titles, let's just lump west PA in there and get Pittsburghs too.

    Maybe extend out to the coast and up to Canada and grab all of NE's as well.

    NFL uses the 75 mile radius as a teams natural market. You know that from the blackout rules. In a few areas there is some overlap.

    I don't know if you have ever lived in Northeast Ohio, but if you are trying to claim that Akron and Canton are not part of the greater Cleveland market area, well, you just know nothing Jon Snow.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Cleveland does not have 13 fucking titles. They have the 1964 NFL Championship and 12 Boyscout Badges earned with leather helmets playing mostly opponents who were confined to an iron lung. They didn't even have jackstraps in those days, they used hollowed out orange halves held on by rubber bands.

    NOrtheast Ohio owns 13 Pro Football Championships. No Steelerfag thought process can ever change the truth.

  • OrionO Orion

    @ghoolie said:

    Cleveland does not have 13 fucking titles. They have the 1964 NFL Championship and 12 Boyscout Badges earned with leather helmets

    I should think that we could go back to the 1950's and have 4 titles to our credit.

    The Browns in Cleveland are a fake team. The Browns are in Baltimore and are now called the Ravens.

    There are other ways for someone to say, "Whoh, that's not my team any more!" The team doesn't have to move. The owner could sell the team...and change the entire front office...and start hacking the players off the team for new ones....this owner could change the uniforms into clown outfits...

    What if the Browns never moved? And Art ended up selling the team to Haslam? - "Hey, that's not the organization that 'I' rooted for. MY team's gone and dead forever"

    @orion said:

    I should think that we could go back to the 1950's and have 4 titles to our credit.

    We go back to the 1920 season when the NFL was formed...and we have 13 titles to our credit.

    To deny that fact would be like saying that Al Smith and Wendell Wilkie and Thomas Dewey and Adlai Stevenson and George McGovern actually became Presidents of the USA. You can't change historical facts

    There are other ways for someone to say, "Whoh, that's not my team any more!" The team doesn't have to move. The owner could sell the team...and change the entire front office...and start hacking the players off the team for new ones....this owner could change the uniforms into clown outfits...

    What if the Browns never moved? And Art ended up selling the team to Haslam? - "Hey, that's not the organization that 'I' rooted for. MY team's gone and dead forever"

    I don't know, with some it seems like they must think that every time there is a change in ownership, or a change in a GM, or a change in a coach that " that's not the team it used to be".

    Well, once upon a time the SF 49ers were owned by Ed DeBartolo and were the best team in the game. Now they are owned by Jed York are about the worst team in the game. Does that mean that the 49ers are not longer the 49ers....just because ownership changed and they now suck?

    Absurd.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @orion said:

    I should think that we could go back to the 1950's and have 4 titles to our credit.

    We go back to the 1920 season when the NFL was formed...and we have 13 titles to our credit.

    To deny that fact would be like saying that Al Smith and Wendell Wilkie and Thomas Dewey and Adlai Stevenson and George McGovern actually became Presidents of the USA. You can't change historical facts

    There are other ways for someone to say, "Whoh, that's not my team any more!" The team doesn't have to move. The owner could sell the team...and change the entire front office...and start hacking the players off the team for new ones....this owner could change the uniforms into clown outfits...

    What if the Browns never moved? And Art ended up selling the team to Haslam? - "Hey, that's not the organization that 'I' rooted for. MY team's gone and dead forever"

    I don't know, with some it seems like they must think that every time there is a change in ownership, or a change in a GM, or a change in a coach that " that's not the team it used to be".

    Well, once upon a time the SF 49ers were owned by Ed DeBartolo and were the best team in the game. Now they are owned by Jed York are about the worst team in the game. Does that mean that the 49ers are not longer the 49ers....just because ownership changed and they now suck?

    Absurd.

    @the-gipper said:

    @orion said:

    I don't know, with some it seems like they must think that every time there is a change in ownership, or a change in a GM, or a change in a coach that " that's not the team it used to be".

    Well, once upon a time the SF 49ers were owned by Ed DeBartolo and were the best team in the game. Now they are owned by Jed York are about the worst team in the game. Does that mean that the 49ers are not longer the 49ers....just because ownership changed and they now suck?

    Absurd.

    Quite right. Absurd.

    We all could have said, 'Hey, that's not my team anymore.' when Belleyache kicked Kosar out and inserted Todd Philcox.

    It is what it is. You're either a Browns fan, or you're not. If not, then ya can go root for the Cowboys or the reigning super bowl champ like every other non-committal.

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