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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #400

    @boo-fagley said:

    Its going to be the Bears.

    Cant see Chicago drafting a QB when they have to start winning now.

    Why do they have to start winning now more than any other team? The Browns/49ers/Jets etc. all the team looking for a QB. The Browns need to start winning long before the Bears. Why? Because I am a Browns fan, not a Bears fan.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #401

    @boo-fagley said:

    Did not see a lot of #1's flying to Foxboro... Bad link?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @flugel said:

    I can hear the voice of Keith Jackson concluding this with "And there you have it."

    "Whoa Nelly, there you have it"...you mean. 😁

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on
    #402

    @the-gipper said:

    "Whoa Nelly, there you have it"...you mean. 😁

    HA! Yes, thanks!

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #403

    The way I read the article those were outliers.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    The way I read the article those were outliers.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #404

    @tour2ma said:

    The way I read the article those were outliers.

    Going price seems to be a couple seconds. Also liked the comment that the Bradford trade was the all time desperation move- something I said from the get-go. Somebody wasn't listening when I said that haul the Eagles got wasn't likely to be repeated.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @tour2ma said:

    The way I read the article those were outliers.

    Going price seems to be a couple seconds. Also liked the comment that the Bradford trade was the all time desperation move- something I said from the get-go. Somebody wasn't listening when I said that haul the Eagles got wasn't likely to be repeated.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #405

    @hoorta said:

    Going price seems to be a couple seconds. Also liked the comment that the Bradford trade was the all time desperation move- something I said from the get-go. Somebody wasn't listening when I said that haul the Eagles got wasn't likely to be repeated.

    No less listening than to any other opinion posts around here... 😉

    I can see the Pats hanging on to Jimmy in hopes of a Bradford-like scenario developing.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #406

    @boo-fagley said:

    A 2018 1st is still a 1st.

    Not in trade equity calcs...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #407

    @boo-fagley said:

    Expound?

    Picks are discounted one round per year that they are in the future.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #408

    @boo-fagley said:

    Really?

    So the Eagles 2017 1st from the Vikes is really a 2nd.

    Interesting.

    In terms of trade points, yes....it was....last year....

    simple logic.....would you trade this years #1 for next years #1...straight up?.....

    answer =.....of course not.....

    Why?.....because "right now" next years pick is less valuable......(and will stay that way till next year)(which is when it becomes this years pick, which is where the greater value is).....get it?

  • R RoyceRolls wrote on
    #409

    @boo-fagley said:

    Nobody is talking about trading a 1st for a 1st.

    Next years pick is relative to the talent in the 2018 draft. If the 2018 draft is ranked like the 1983 draft for QBs, picks in the 1st round of that draft are absolutely worth more than the 2017 1st round pick. Therefore, next years 1st is just as valuable if not more valuable..

    Comprende?

    That's all conjecture. There was a time that Matt Barkley was considered the next big thing. Grading a draft class a year away is a fool's errand. I believe the analogy is "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

  • hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #410

    @boo-fagley said:

    Nobody is talking about trading a 1st for a 1st.

    Next years pick is relative to the talent in the 2018 draft. If the 2018 draft is ranked like the 1983 draft for QBs, picks in the 1st round of that draft are absolutely worth more than the 2017 1st round pick. Therefore, next years 1st is just as valuable if not more valuable..

    Comprende?

    As RR said- trying to "grade" a draft a year in advance is risky at best. In spring 2015 no one, and I'll bet no one- had Carson Wentz as a top 5 pick, even his groupies from North Dakota State. Top prospects can get hurt too- like the kid from Notre Dame who blew out his ACL in a Bowl game. The other thing that you have to factor in is, unless you have a functional crystal ball to look into the future, you have no idea where the team you're trading with is going to land in the draft order a year hence. Case in point would be if the team you want Jimmy to go to- Da Bears, offers you a 2018 first round pick. Goody- they suck and will be drafting high again next year. Not necessarily the case.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #411

    @boo-fagley said:

    Nobody is talking about trading a 1st for a 1st.

    Next years pick is relative to the talent in the 2018 draft. If the 2018 draft is ranked like the 1983 draft for QBs, picks in the 1st round of that draft are absolutely worth more than the 2017 1st round pick. Therefore, next years 1st is just as valuable if not more valuable..

    Comprende?

    What a bullshit reply. Set up a strawman "if" that you have no idea js close to true, and then build on it as if it's gold and get puffy. You and Gipper deserve each other.

    It's not that hard. The concept is called "net present value" (NPV).

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #412

    @boo-fagley said:

    The Eagles got a 1st for Bradford. Just ask any Vikes fan.

    Belichick has a history of swapping NE picks to go up 1 round in the following draft. Example a 2017 3rd for a 2018 2nd. Ridiculous.

    Like how many times do I & others have to say the Bradford trade was desperation by the Vikings? Stupid it sucked.

    And if you would have bothered to follow Tour's logic, 2017 3rd exactly equals 2018 2nd.

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  • R RoyceRolls wrote on
    #413

    Apparently boo has never had to pay interest.

    👍
  • R RoyceRolls

    Apparently boo has never had to pay interest.

    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on
    #414

    @roycerolls said:

    Apparently boo has never had to pay interest.

    Bingo.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #415

    @boo-fagley said:

    The Eagles got a 1st for Bradford. Just ask any Vikes fan.

    Belichick has a history of swapping NE picks to go up 1 round in the following draft. Example a 2017 3rd for a 2018 2nd. Ridiculous.

    LMAO... Why would I ask a Vike's fan when you make my case for me?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @boo-fagley said:

    The Eagles got a 1st for Bradford. Just ask any Vikes fan.

    Belichick has a history of swapping NE picks to go up 1 round in the following draft. Example a 2017 3rd for a 2018 2nd. Ridiculous.

    Like how many times do I & others have to say the Bradford trade was desperation by the Vikings? Stupid it sucked.

    And if you would have bothered to follow Tour's logic, 2017 3rd exactly equals 2018 2nd.

    W wargograw wrote on
    #416

    @hoorta said:

    Like how many times do I & others have to say the Bradford trade was desperation by the Vikings? Stupid it sucked.

    And if you would have bothered to follow Tour's logic, 2017 3rd exactly equals 2018 2nd.

    Got your numbers backward there my man.

  • R RoyceRolls wrote on
    #417

    No he doesn't

  • W wargograw wrote on
    #418

    Yes he does. A 2017 3rd equals a 2018 4th, not 2nd.

  • W wargograw

    Yes he does. A 2017 3rd equals a 2018 4th, not 2nd.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #419

    @wargograw said:

    Yes he does. A 2017 3rd equals a 2018 4th, not 2nd.

    Sheeze. Try to follow along. Picks get DISCOUNTED a year in the future. A 2018 second round pick is worth a third today, NOT a fourth. Boo was talking about a 2017 third. So trading a 2017 third for a 2018 second is a wash.

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