Watson Undraftable
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You mean this wasn't a track star trying to play a WildDawg/Kent State QB position from a shot gun all this time?
So where are we on 1 year college starters acing their NFL rookie gig? I get it. Trubisky played high school football in Mentor, Ohio but let's not act like Watson is the only prospect with flaws. Charlie Frye grew up in Ohio wishing he could play for the Browns some day too. He was even the MVP of the Senior Bowl before he learned what it was like to play QB for the Cleveland Browns.
flip of that same coin how many Clemson QB's have had success in the nfl?
flip of that same coin how many Clemson QB's have had success in the nfl?
The ONLY Clemson QBs that had above a -0- Career Average in the NFL were Steve Fuller....and Touchdown Jesus, Charlie Whitehurst.
Beyond him I found just 1 guy who started 1 game back in 1948 named Charley Surratt.
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So I'll consider your lack of an answer to my question to be zero 1 year starters from major DI programs have gone on to ace their rookie NFL gigs.
You have asked this question a dozen times on here Flugs....and the fact that none of us here know the answer....even MOI, the king of trivia, do not know it. And besides, the answer does not matter:
Who cares of the "ace their rookie gig".....What I care is if they Ace their NFL career gig. I would not and no one should expect any QB to "ace their rookie season" in the NFL? How many ever have? Only guy I can think of is Dan Marino. (maybe Dak Prescott a bit). I want sustained excellence....excellence cooked in a crockpot, not in a microwave.
Oh...yea....one other guy aced his rookie season: Robert Griffin III.
So there is a clear example of preferring a QBs career to be looked at over time....not right at the onset.
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Quarterback production in the college game doesn't always translate to the pros. Fact. Watson played on a great team- another fact. Should I post the list of Heisman QB busts to refresh your memory?
1 Case Keenum Houston (2007–2011) 19,217
2 Timmy Chang Hawaii (2000–2004) 17,072
3 Landry Jones Oklahoma (2009–2012) 16,646
4 Graham Harrell Texas Tech (2005–2008) 15,793
5 Ty Detmer BYU (1988–1991) 15,031
6 Kellen Moore Boise State (2008–2011) 14,667
7 Colt Brennan Hawaii (2005–2007) 14,193
8 Rakeem Cato Marshall (2011–2014) 14,079
9 Sean Mannion Oregon State (2011–2014) 13,600
10 Philip Rivers NC State (2000–2003) 13,484
Fair point Hoorta. Above is list of all time NCAA passing leaders. Not until you get to #10 do you get one that has had success in the pros.
As for Heisman winners....it can be a fairly questionable situation:
Tim Tebow
Troy Smith
John P. Manziel
Robert Griffin
Matt Leinert
Jason White
Eric Crouch
Chris Weinke
Danny Wuerffel
Charlie Ward
Gino Torretta
Ty Detmer
Andre War
Pat Sullivan
Steve Spurrier
Doug Flutie
For a period of like 30 years between Jim Plunkett and Carson Palmer did any Heisman winning QB do diddley with his pro career practically.
Since Carson it may have gotten a bit better: abut 50/50: Newton, Winston, Mariota, Bradford on the bubble.
In the 2000s professional success in a Heisman QB is about 40%...before that for 30 years it was about -0- pct.
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Not correct, Larry. Only In a vacuum would your numbers be correct. I am not going to do the calculations now, but in air, with the constant of air resistance, the balls speed that matters is the same as muzzle velocity.....
.....The only speed that matter is the speed in which the QB releases the ball. That can only be measured in touchdowns, and completed passes.
Ball speed is a stat for jackoffs who don't understand football, or science..
Oh God here we go again but what the hell I'll bite, no need to get my old college Physics text books out, from the dummies series on football (no kidding):
SKILLS A QUARTERBACK NEEDS TO SUCCEED IN AMERICAN FOOTBALL
Arm strength: Velocity is important when throwing a football because it allows a quarterback to complete a pass before a single defensive player can recover (react to the pass) and possibly deflect or intercept the ball. The more arm strength a quarterback has, the better his ability to throw the ball at a high speed.
Competitiveness: A players competitiveness is made up of many subjective and intangible qualities. A quarterback should have the desire to be the teams offensive leader and, ideally, overall leader. No one should work harder in practice than he does.
Intelligence: Many NFL teams have a 3-inch-thick playbook that includes at least 50 running plays and as many as 200 passing plays. The quarterback has to know them all. He has to know not only what hes supposed to do in every one of those plays but also what the other skilled players (running backs, receivers, and tight ends) are required to do. On some teams, the quarterback is also responsible for informing the offensive linemen of their blocking schemes.
Mobility: A quarterbacks mobility is as important as his intelligence and his arm. He must move quickly to avoid being tackled by defensive players. Therefore, he must move backward (called retreating) from the center as quickly as possible in order to set himself up to throw the ball. When a quarterback has excellent mobility, you hear him described as having quick feet. This term means that he moves quickly and effortlessly behind the line of scrimmage with the football.
Release: If a quarterback doesnt have exceptional arm strength, hed better have a quick release. After the quarterback raises the ball in his hand, usually near his head or slightly above and behind it, he releases, or rapidly brings his arm forward and lets the ball loose.
Height: A quarterback wants to be tall enough to see over his linemen whose average height in the NFL is 65 to 67 and look down the field, beyond the line of scrimmage, to find his receivers and see where the defensive backs are positioned.
Weight: A quarterback can expect a lot of physical contact, especially when attempting to pass. Defenders relentlessly pursue the quarterback to hit him, tackling him for a sack (a loss of yards behind the line of scrimmage) before he can throw a pass or making contact after he releases a pass.
Vision: A quarterback doesnt necessarily need keen peripheral vision, but it doesnt hurt. A quarterback must quickly scan the field when he comes to the line of scrimmage prior to the snap of the ball. He must survey the defense, checking its alignments and in particular the depth of the defensive backs how far they are off the receivers, off the line of scrimmage, and so on. After the ball is snapped, the quarterback must continue to scan the field as he moves backward.
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".....The only speed that matter is the speed in which the QB releases the ball. That can only be measured in touchdowns, and completed passes.Ball speed is a stat for jackoffs who don't understand football, or science.."^ This in a nutshell is why I have him on ignore... Go back to eating and playing with your accordion, as those two things you seem to be pretty good at.
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The ignore function is the saving grace of this board. By putting a few select users on ignore, it makes it much easier to weed through the garbage replies and get to some decent football conversation.
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Someone mind telling me what TCPO said there???
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The ignore function is the saving grace of this board. By putting a few select users on ignore, it makes it much easier to weed through the garbage replies and get to some decent football conversation.
The ignore function is the saving grace of this board. By putting a few select users on ignore, it makes it much easier to weed through the garbage replies and get to some decent football conversation.
It also shows you how to identify the people are too timourous to engage in a bit of trash talking...and who are caitiff to support their various positions.
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Walked right into that one
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