The New "Hold on, What if" thread for the first round
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I'm reading and reading, and I'm starting to wonder now - what if Garrett is NOT the
Browns pick at one, if they stay there?
Why is Garrett starting to sound a lot like Mingo, to me, now?
The NFL is big league physical.. combat on the los. Is Garrett up to being a
warrior? or... not a physical fighter off the los, and not being what you envision?
Is Garrett the de with the intensity, the love for the game, hand to hand combat guy,
or more a softer pass rusher that isn't into the physical battles. No "mean streak" ?
Suppose the better pick is Jamal Adams. A dynamic, fast, ass-kicking safety that could
surely be an All-Pro force on defense.
Suppose with a draft deep in edge rushers, you could get an edge rusher that plays
with intensity/mean streak later... and get Adams with the first overall pick?
Maybe Allen with the first pick - plays anywhere on the defensive line, and get an edge rusher
later? that would rock.
I KNOW Allen and Solomon Thomas (who some think is a later on pick), and Adams
have that football mean streak, not sure about Garrett.
What if it isn't Garrett at one? Maybe we should all set our drinks down until after they announce
the pick....
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I'm reading and reading, and I'm starting to wonder now - what if Garrett is NOT the
Browns pick at one, if they stay there?
Why is Garrett starting to sound a lot like Mingo, to me, now?
The NFL is big league physical.. combat on the los. Is Garrett up to being a
warrior? or... not a physical fighter off the los, and not being what you envision?
Is Garrett the de with the intensity, the love for the game, hand to hand combat guy,
or more a softer pass rusher that isn't into the physical battles. No "mean streak" ?
Suppose the better pick is Jamal Adams. A dynamic, fast, ass-kicking safety that could
surely be an All-Pro force on defense.
Suppose with a draft deep in edge rushers, you could get an edge rusher that plays
with intensity/mean streak later... and get Adams with the first overall pick?
Maybe Allen with the first pick - plays anywhere on the defensive line, and get an edge rusher
later? that would rock.
I KNOW Allen and Solomon Thomas (who some think is a later on pick), and Adams
have that football mean streak, not sure about Garrett.
What if it isn't Garrett at one? Maybe we should all set our drinks down until after they announce
the pick....
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Until I hear garrett's name called, I do not believe we tanked the season to draft a defensive lineman. The pick is going to be a QB.
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The fact that no teams have bothered to talk to garrett is the clue in. The good ole boy network knows he's going #1. If the browns dont take garrett its another trade down. Theres no qb they're taking at 1
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Im kind of starting to get keen on that usc kid darnold. Suck next year for sam?
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The fact that no teams have bothered to talk to garrett is the clue in. The good ole boy network knows he's going #1. If the browns dont take garrett its another trade down. Theres no qb they're taking at 1
If the browns dont take garrett its another trade down. Theres no qb they're taking at 1
Agree 100%
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yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
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yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
They do not Cal. Here's what I gathered. They're the same height 6'4", but Myles outweighs Mingo by a good 30 pounds, ran essentially the same 40- 4.64 to 4.58, out verticaled him by 5", and Barky didn't bench press at the combine- was he afraid to demonstrate he was a wimp? For comparison- Garrett did 33 reps, and 42" vertical at the combine. Incidentally, 45" vertical is the combine record. A few superman OL-DL studs have done over 40 reps on the bench. If you're interested- I looked it up- Joe Thomas did 28 reps at the combine, and ran a 4.9. I'd say Myles is plenty fast and strong enough. Have I calmed you down any?
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yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
Maybe, but the top of the draft is where we reside. If we want one of the top 3 QB's then pick number one is where they will have to get him. None will be there at 12. Garrett will help this team win about as much as Clowney does for the texans. We could have drafted Derek Carr #8 overall but everyone said he wasn't worthy of the #8 pick. Damn wish we would have pulled that trigger instead of the crap we drafted. I will agree that none of the QB's are ready to start but that does not mean they can't be taken first overall. This team will never win until we get a QB.
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yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
They do not Cal. Here's what I gathered. They're the same height 6'4", but Myles outweighs Mingo by a good 30 pounds, ran essentially the same 40- 4.64 to 4.58, out verticaled him by 5", and Barky didn't bench press at the combine- was he afraid to demonstrate he was a wimp? For comparison- Garrett did 33 reps, and 42" vertical at the combine. Incidentally, 45" vertical is the combine record. A few superman OL-DL studs have done over 40 reps on the bench. If you're interested- I looked it up- Joe Thomas did 28 reps at the combine, and ran a 4.9. I'd say Myles is plenty fast and strong enough. Have I calmed you down any?
They do not Cal. Here's what I gathered. They're the same height 6'4", but Myles outweighs Mingo by a good 30 pounds, ran essentially the same 40- 4.64 to 4.58, out verticaled him by 5", and Barky didn't bench press at the combine- was he afraid to demonstrate he was a wimp? For comparison- Garrett did 33 reps, and 42" vertical at the combine. Incidentally, 45" vertical is the combine record. A few superman OL-DL studs have done over 40 reps on the bench. If you're interested- I looked it up- Joe Thomas did 28 reps at the combine, and ran a 4.9. I'd say Myles is plenty fast and strong enough. Have I calmed you down any? (edit. )
yep. much more sensible now. I also remember his coach saying that Garrett was such a nice kid, and then he goes
and terrorizes defenses. I'm good.
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yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
Maybe, but the top of the draft is where we reside. If we want one of the top 3 QB's then pick number one is where they will have to get him. None will be there at 12. Garrett will help this team win about as much as Clowney does for the texans. We could have drafted Derek Carr #8 overall but everyone said he wasn't worthy of the #8 pick. Damn wish we would have pulled that trigger instead of the crap we drafted. I will agree that none of the QB's are ready to start but that does not mean they can't be taken first overall. This team will never win until we get a QB.
Maybe, but the top of the draft is where we reside. If we want one of the top 3 QB's then pick number one is where they will have to get him. None will be there at 12. Garrett will help this team win about as much as Clowney does for the texans. We could have drafted Derek Carr #8 overall but everyone said he wasn't worthy of the #8 pick. Damn wish we would have pulled that trigger instead of the crap we drafted. I will agree that none of the QB's are ready to start but that does not mean they can't be taken first overall. This team will never win until we get a QB.
so sad. We could have had Derek Carr with our #22 pick. ....btw, I note that Derek Carr was the similar size of
Trubisky... 6'3", 215
read about Carr then...http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664819/derek-carr... and read about Trubisky...
I have us taking Trubisky with our #12 pick.
"Peter King on Raiders' Derek Carr: 'That guy is a goldmine for your franchise'
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They do not Cal. Here's what I gathered. They're the same height 6'4", but Myles outweighs Mingo by a good 30 pounds, ran essentially the same 40- 4.64 to 4.58, out verticaled him by 5", and Barky didn't bench press at the combine- was he afraid to demonstrate he was a wimp? For comparison- Garrett did 33 reps, and 42" vertical at the combine. Incidentally, 45" vertical is the combine record. A few superman OL-DL studs have done over 40 reps on the bench. If you're interested- I looked it up- Joe Thomas did 28 reps at the combine, and ran a 4.9. I'd say Myles is plenty fast and strong enough. Have I calmed you down any? (edit. )
yep. much more sensible now. I also remember his coach saying that Garrett was such a nice kid, and then he goes
and terrorizes defenses. I'm good.
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Maybe, but the top of the draft is where we reside. If we want one of the top 3 QB's then pick number one is where they will have to get him. None will be there at 12. Garrett will help this team win about as much as Clowney does for the texans. We could have drafted Derek Carr #8 overall but everyone said he wasn't worthy of the #8 pick. Damn wish we would have pulled that trigger instead of the crap we drafted. I will agree that none of the QB's are ready to start but that does not mean they can't be taken first overall. This team will never win until we get a QB.
so sad. We could have had Derek Carr with our #22 pick. ....btw, I note that Derek Carr was the similar size of
Trubisky... 6'3", 215
read about Carr then...http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664819/derek-carr... and read about Trubisky...
I have us taking Trubisky with our #12 pick.
"Peter King on Raiders' Derek Carr: 'That guy is a goldmine for your franchise'
so sad. We could have had Derek Carr with our #22 pick. ....btw, I note that Derek Carr was the similar size of
Trubisky... 6'3", 215
read about Carr then...http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664819/derek-carr... and read about Trubisky...
I have us taking Trubisky with our #12 pick.
"Peter King on Raiders' Derek Carr: 'That guy is a goldmine for your franchise'
Trubisky is my pick but I don't think he makes it to 12. I believe we have to get him before the Jets are on the clock. Could we possibly go up to 5? Or just take him #1 and then go D at 12 like maybe Hooker.
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Id say Garrett is the safest pick for our FO......so if he picks anyone else, he has some humongo balls......
Its pretty much a world consensus that we should tap him....so, even if he sucks, Id say Shashi is more protected from making a bad pick syndrome.....of course, pick someone else and then have that player fail...??....its over....
most recent board consensus for #1 pick was Shelton....and that pick is looking pretty good right now....(compared to most of our 1sts)
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yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
Here's some stats of this year's top prospects in varying schemes and techniques:
Myles Garrett had 32.5 sacks and 48.5 Tackles For Losses (TFLs) the last 3 years
Derek Barnett had 33 sacks and 52 TFLs the last 3 years
Jonathan Allen had 27.5 sacks and 41.5 TFLs the last 3 years
Solomon Thomas had 11.5 sacks and 25.5 TFLs the last 2 years
Previously:
Bark Mingo had 15 sacks and 29 TFLs his last 3 years at LSU
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yep. overthinking it. But there is no qb at the top of this draft. that is just foolish.
But Adams is a possibility, maybe. I'm just having the impression of Mingo being
superimposed over the impression of Garrett, and wondering if they line up much....
Here's some stats of this year's top prospects in varying schemes and techniques:
Myles Garrett had 32.5 sacks and 48.5 Tackles For Losses (TFLs) the last 3 years
Derek Barnett had 33 sacks and 52 TFLs the last 3 years
Jonathan Allen had 27.5 sacks and 41.5 TFLs the last 3 years
Solomon Thomas had 11.5 sacks and 25.5 TFLs the last 2 years
Previously:
Bark Mingo had 15 sacks and 29 TFLs his last 3 years at LSU
Here's some stats of this year's top prospects in varying schemes and techniques:
Myles Garrett had 32.5 sacks and 48.5 Tackles For Losses (TFLs) the last 3 years
Derek Barnett had 33 sacks and 52 TFLs the last 3 years
Jonathan Allen had 27.5 sacks and 41.5 TFLs the last 3 years
Solomon Thomas had 11.5 sacks and 25.5 TFLs the last 2 years
Previously:
Bark Mingo had 15 sacks and 29 TFLs his last 3 years at LSU
What were Garrett and Barnett's stats vs SEC opponents? I heard they were in Barnett's favor pretty big, which if true, is concerning.
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Garett is no mingo. Yeah his run defense needs work but cmon, mingo was a safety LSU bulked up just enough to put on the line and send around the wide edge. It worked in college cause LSU.
Garrett has been scrapping with lineman enough that im not worried he'll be terribly overwhelmed. But his reps need metered otherwise we risk getting him dinged up. I think nassibs hand injury greatly hampered his development so we need to what we can to min that risk to garett
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Im kind of starting to get keen on that usc kid darnold. Suck next year for sam?
If we were still in the 3-4, then there's no telling what our Mingo-ization capacity might be... But, no... Mingo and Garrett are nothing alike.
Mingo was a one-move wonder... speed... with an inside swim on a good day... and a slow OT. He only dreamt of bull-rushing and ripping...
Im kind of starting to get keen on that usc kid darnold. Suck next year for sam?
Haven't watched the kid yet, but if he's the one, then that's what it might takes. But as of right now SF and us stand as the QB-neediest, and they have to be the likeliest contender for the 2017 basement.
But some ream almost always surprises to the downside... often a team "set" at QB, but lose him to injury. So hello trade partner...
yep. overthinking it.
On the bright side... may be the first time I've accused you of thinking...
Garrett will help this team win about as much as Clowney does for the texans.
So we're only going 9 and 7 this year? Imagine our disappointment...
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If we were still in the 3-4, then there's no telling what our Mingo-ization capacity might be... But, no... Mingo and Garrett are nothing alike.
Mingo was a one-move wonder... speed... with an inside swim on a good day... and a slow OT. He only dreamt of bull-rushing and ripping...
Im kind of starting to get keen on that usc kid darnold. Suck next year for sam?
Haven't watched the kid yet, but if he's the one, then that's what it might takes. But as of right now SF and us stand as the QB-neediest, and they have to be the likeliest contender for the 2017 basement.
But some ream almost always surprises to the downside... often a team "set" at QB, but lose him to injury. So hello trade partner...
yep. overthinking it.
On the bright side... may be the first time I've accused you of thinking...
Garrett will help this team win about as much as Clowney does for the texans.
So we're only going 9 and 7 this year? Imagine our disappointment...
So we're only going 9 and 7 this year? Imagine our disappointment...
God what a disaster that would be. 9-7 with the best def in the nfl and a playoff run? Pfffttt, who wants that stress? Not browns fans i can tell ya. We like relaxing Sundays watching hard core prison anal with maybe a win or two sprinkled in for good measure
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