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If nothing else we know Sashi&Co. love draft picks...
And next to draft picks, there's no better currency in the NFL than QBs that can play. We now have 4 QBs rostered.
- Two, Kess and Brock, have or have already shown promise.
- One, Kizer, has potential.
- Then there's Hogan...
Can we develop three at the same time? Doubtful. Do we have to? Probably depends on how Brock takes to our Offense.
Someone, my guess is Brock, gets showcased in pre-season. All he has to do is flash the good he showed in Denver and he's cashable. Should he actually win our starting job? Then just hope Kess pushed him hard and we can cash Kess out.
Worst case? Neither really shines and we release Hogan...
I would die laughing if brock ended up being the man
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I was high on Brock when he came out of college
Man...I was high on all kinds of stuff coming out of college.....
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^^^ Flugs, I've let it go. Regarding the #5, I was counting on it. We couldn't realistically match Chicago's offer. Not only did the Browns get shafted, the Titans had to take their WR @ #5 that they were planning on @ #12. As long as people realize we took another flyer on a project. Haha- now I told ya I thought Watson was a stiff.
I just happen to think Kizer is an even bigger stiff. Just my opinion, and I'll happily eat dirt if I'm wrong. So I'm OK with the extra first round pick- now. I wasn't initially. Get me the best qb out of that "supposed" superior 2018 QB class, and send that 4th best 2017 guy back to Toledo.I only had minor issues with the first round- thought we should have gotten a little more moving down to #25, and there were a lot guys I wanted between #12 and #25 I really liked. (I know you had the hots for OJ Howard, Njoku is a nice consolation prize though) But Kizer? Wow, never liked him- and even less after the combine and the interview process. I'll dig up (if you're interested) the YouTube of his 20 minutes at Gruden's QB camp. He comes off as an intelligent robot with no personality. XYZ down and distance, defensive formation, what's the call? Computer, working, working- 0.2 seconds hit Z Wr on a 15 yard out. I don't know if that will preclude him from being a great NFL qb. (second round- that's where Carr, Esiason and Brees got drafted) so his bar is a tad higher than Kessler's. But the light went on how the Harvard Geek Squad took a liking to him. If he has no people skills off camera- he WILL fail, regardless of his skill set.
Larry, Hear me out. You gotta admit your buddy in Carolina who's opinion you told me you highly regard - got you all excited about the Cleveland hometown guy Trubisky. Kizer is from Toledo, which means he's more of a hometown kid to Detroilet than Cleveland. Meaning? You'll never stop giving Mitch L every excuse on the planet while you've even shredded Watson's performance against Bama. If you watched that entire second half that gased one of the best front 7s in college football history (1 week after beating OSU by 31 points), the last thing anyone dwelled on was 1 or 2 pick plays - even Jonathan Allen who called him the best player he faced. BTW, whoever told me Clemson's defense carried Watson - might want to let me know how many of their defenders were drafted before day 3.
Anyway, this QB class was all about realistic expectations mostly set by unbiased draft analysts (not us) that watch a lot more film on these guys than we as fans have access to. When the majority of them are calling the entire draft class from top to bottom a bunch of projects - are we drafting rear view mirror and concluding all there is to Kizer is body by Brian Kelly? Or, are we understanding Kizer was the 4th draft pick our FO brought here to develop? I posted Joe Montana's college career of 25 TDs to 25 INTs with a 52% completion and very pedestrian yardage from a prehistoric offense that didn't match Joe's greatest attributes/skills. That offense asked one of the best NFL passers of all time to win like Tim Tebow instead of Tom Brady because the stubborn HC there at the time refused to tailor his offense to anyone 1 QB (even Joe). If memory serves me right, he was even reluctant to start Montana at first because of all this. Lucky for Joe it was Bill Walsh instead of a Rick Kotite that saw Montana as an appropriate fit for his/Paul Brown's passing game. If Joe Montana was an 82nd pick overall - he was alot more gotta have in hindsight 20/20 than he was on draft day. I see Kizer coming out of a very similar situation and Brian Kelly is an absolute prick that doesn't hesitate to throw his players and others under the bus to the media. Did any of his QBs at ND improve?
Why use Joe Montana here? Because the drastic difference in his NFL passing efficiency, completion %, TDs to INT ratio, and everything across the board dwarfed his college numbers. Why? The right coach, right system, right surrounding talent was an ideal fit to his skill set.
As I said, Kizer was my last choice of QB preference but a lot of that was aimed at him being considered for either of our first 2 draft choices. He ended up as our 4th draft choice. Like any other draft choice that hasn't put the pads on yet here, I'll wait and see. I don't expect him to be our week 1 starter. I'd like to see what a more experienced Kessler that worked his tail off in the off season with a QB guru looks like behind an improved pass protection with a TE that can run faster than park and seeing a target DeValve line up in the slot.
I'm not getting the impression the city of Chicago is nearly as excited about Trubisky as they are concerned about what they gave up to take the least of all evils at QB in this class in their perception. This is no hometown warm and fuzzy there willing to excuse every imperfection up against what they gave up to get him so stay tuned... The frustration there? It's been said this isn't the year to do such a thing. I'd like to see Mitch do well but I'd rather see the guy we drafted do better.
Larry, Hear me out. You gotta admit your buddy in Carolina who's opinion you told me you highly regard - got you all excited about the Cleveland hometown guy Trubisky. Kizer is from Toledo, which means he's more of a hometown kid to Detroilet than Cleveland. Meaning? You'll never stop giving Mitch L every excuse on the planet while you've even shredded Watson's performance against Bama. If you watched that entire second half that gased one of the best front 7s in college football history (1 week after beating OSU by 31 points), the last thing anyone dwelled on was 1 or 2 pick plays - even Jonathan Allen who called him the best player he faced. BTW, whoever told me Clemson's defense carried Watson - might want to let me know how many of their defenders were drafted before day 3.
This is no hometown warm and fuzzy there willing to excuse every imperfection up against what they gave up to get him so stay tuned... The frustration there? It's been said this isn't the year to do such a thing. I'd like to see Mitch do well but I'd rather see the guy we drafted do better.Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer. With the trade down, the Browns obviously didn't want Watson. Yup, I don't give a rat what Watson did against Alabama. Went 1-1. To me, that's a poor indicator as to how he's going to play in the pros. Still think he has an extremely high potential of busting.
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Larry, Hear me out. You gotta admit your buddy in Carolina who's opinion you told me you highly regard - got you all excited about the Cleveland hometown guy Trubisky. Kizer is from Toledo, which means he's more of a hometown kid to Detroilet than Cleveland. Meaning? You'll never stop giving Mitch L every excuse on the planet while you've even shredded Watson's performance against Bama. If you watched that entire second half that gased one of the best front 7s in college football history (1 week after beating OSU by 31 points), the last thing anyone dwelled on was 1 or 2 pick plays - even Jonathan Allen who called him the best player he faced. BTW, whoever told me Clemson's defense carried Watson - might want to let me know how many of their defenders were drafted before day 3.
This is no hometown warm and fuzzy there willing to excuse every imperfection up against what they gave up to get him so stay tuned... The frustration there? It's been said this isn't the year to do such a thing. I'd like to see Mitch do well but I'd rather see the guy we drafted do better.Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer. With the trade down, the Browns obviously didn't want Watson. Yup, I don't give a rat what Watson did against Alabama. Went 1-1. To me, that's a poor indicator as to how he's going to play in the pros. Still think he has an extremely high potential of busting.
Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer.
Chicago is looking for their first 2 fans happy about their trade up for Mitch. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you and Ghoolie to become those 2 fans...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Larry, Hear me out. You gotta admit your buddy in Carolina who's opinion you told me you highly regard - got you all excited about the Cleveland hometown guy Trubisky. Kizer is from Toledo, which means he's more of a hometown kid to Detroilet than Cleveland. Meaning? You'll never stop giving Mitch L every excuse on the planet while you've even shredded Watson's performance against Bama. If you watched that entire second half that gased one of the best front 7s in college football history (1 week after beating OSU by 31 points), the last thing anyone dwelled on was 1 or 2 pick plays - even Jonathan Allen who called him the best player he faced. BTW, whoever told me Clemson's defense carried Watson - might want to let me know how many of their defenders were drafted before day 3.
This is no hometown warm and fuzzy there willing to excuse every imperfection up against what they gave up to get him so stay tuned... The frustration there? It's been said this isn't the year to do such a thing. I'd like to see Mitch do well but I'd rather see the guy we drafted do better.Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer. With the trade down, the Browns obviously didn't want Watson. Yup, I don't give a rat what Watson did against Alabama. Went 1-1. To me, that's a poor indicator as to how he's going to play in the pros. Still think he has an extremely high potential of busting.
Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer. With the trade down, the Browns obviously didn't want Watson. Yup, I don't give a rat what Watson did against Alabama. Went 1-1. To me, that's a poor indicator as to how he's going to play in the pros. Still think he has an extremely high potential of busting.
Nate Burleson on Good Morning Football NFL Net said this morning that he felt Kizer will be the long term best QB from this class and before the season is out he will be starting. he said with what the browns have done and are doing they will end up 7-9 and a team the fans will get behind again and love. He said the X factor that can really bring out Kizer is Josh Gordon if he finally gets it right. He was also saying not to just look at Garrett and Peppers who are both Williams' kind of players for his D, but also the last two drafted in the 7th, both All-Americans. He was saying that top to bottom the Browns were the real winners in this draft. The others agreed with him.
They also bragged on the Browns for their 9 players for Wentz trade with 2 more to go next year. "They really know how to use their draft capital.
I'm finally coming around on this FO and give them a Mulligan for their shortened time to prep for last year's draft. And now that I understand the Wentz deal, it all makes sense to build that D and drop in a QB. Hopefully they are right about Kizer.
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Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer.
Chicago is looking for their first 2 fans happy about their trade up for Mitch. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you and Ghoolie to become those 2 fans...
Chicago is looking for their first 2 fans happy about their trade up for Mitch. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you and Ghoolie to become those 2 fans...
Can we clarify which will be wearing The "Putz" Jersey or The "Nag" Jersey? Preseason 9-31-17 at Chicago..Xmas Eve 12-24-17 at Chicago..Ting! Ting! Get your Tickets Now..
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Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer. With the trade down, the Browns obviously didn't want Watson. Yup, I don't give a rat what Watson did against Alabama. Went 1-1. To me, that's a poor indicator as to how he's going to play in the pros. Still think he has an extremely high potential of busting.
Nate Burleson on Good Morning Football NFL Net said this morning that he felt Kizer will be the long term best QB from this class and before the season is out he will be starting. he said with what the browns have done and are doing they will end up 7-9 and a team the fans will get behind again and love. He said the X factor that can really bring out Kizer is Josh Gordon if he finally gets it right. He was also saying not to just look at Garrett and Peppers who are both Williams' kind of players for his D, but also the last two drafted in the 7th, both All-Americans. He was saying that top to bottom the Browns were the real winners in this draft. The others agreed with him.
They also bragged on the Browns for their 9 players for Wentz trade with 2 more to go next year. "They really know how to use their draft capital.
I'm finally coming around on this FO and give them a Mulligan for their shortened time to prep for last year's draft. And now that I understand the Wentz deal, it all makes sense to build that D and drop in a QB. Hopefully they are right about Kizer.
Nate Burleson on Good Morning Football NFL Net said this morning that he felt Kizer will be the long term best QB from this class and before the season is out he will be starting.
I'm finally coming around on this FO and give them a Mulligan for their shortened time to prep for last year's draft. And now that I understand the Wentz deal, it all makes sense to build that D and drop in a QB. Hopefully they are right about Kizer.
But can we trust an ex-Browns' assessment of the Browns?
And there it is... an early-ish convert jumping on our FO train. Pretty sure there's still room... in 2nd class... ALL ABOARD!
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Nate Burleson on Good Morning Football NFL Net said this morning that he felt Kizer will be the long term best QB from this class and before the season is out he will be starting.
I'm finally coming around on this FO and give them a Mulligan for their shortened time to prep for last year's draft. And now that I understand the Wentz deal, it all makes sense to build that D and drop in a QB. Hopefully they are right about Kizer.
But can we trust an ex-Browns' assessment of the Browns?
And there it is... an early-ish convert jumping on our FO train. Pretty sure there's still room... in 2nd class... ALL ABOARD!
But can we trust an ex-Browns' assessment of the Browns?
And there it is... an early-ish convert jumping on our FO train. Pretty sure there's still room... in 2nd class... ALL ABOARD!
And if DeValve turns out to be the player they think he would be, I will gladly sit in the caboose and eat dog chow while admitting I was wrong about this FO. Especially if either Kessler or Kizer turn out to be "The One".
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Larry, Hear me out. You gotta admit your buddy in Carolina who's opinion you told me you highly regard - got you all excited about the Cleveland hometown guy Trubisky. Kizer is from Toledo, which means he's more of a hometown kid to Detroilet than Cleveland. Meaning? You'll never stop giving Mitch L every excuse on the planet while you've even shredded Watson's performance against Bama. If you watched that entire second half that gased one of the best front 7s in college football history (1 week after beating OSU by 31 points), the last thing anyone dwelled on was 1 or 2 pick plays - even Jonathan Allen who called him the best player he faced. BTW, whoever told me Clemson's defense carried Watson - might want to let me know how many of their defenders were drafted before day 3.
This is no hometown warm and fuzzy there willing to excuse every imperfection up against what they gave up to get him so stay tuned... The frustration there? It's been said this isn't the year to do such a thing. I'd like to see Mitch do well but I'd rather see the guy we drafted do better.Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer. With the trade down, the Browns obviously didn't want Watson. Yup, I don't give a rat what Watson did against Alabama. Went 1-1. To me, that's a poor indicator as to how he's going to play in the pros. Still think he has an extremely high potential of busting.
Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer. With the trade down, the Browns obviously didn't want Watson. Yup, I don't give a rat what Watson did against Alabama. Went 1-1. To me, that's a poor indicator as to how he's going to play in the pros. Still think he has an extremely high potential of busting.
Josh Heupel won a national championship at QB. Craig Krenzel did too. Ken Dorsey. Matt Mauck. Chris Leak. Tim Tebow. Greg McElroy.
And beware of hyping up USC QBs. Can you say Matt Leinert. (Is Sam Darnold the next Matt Leinert?)
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Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer. With the trade down, the Browns obviously didn't want Watson. Yup, I don't give a rat what Watson did against Alabama. Went 1-1. To me, that's a poor indicator as to how he's going to play in the pros. Still think he has an extremely high potential of busting.
Josh Heupel won a national championship at QB. Craig Krenzel did too. Ken Dorsey. Matt Mauck. Chris Leak. Tim Tebow. Greg McElroy.
And beware of hyping up USC QBs. Can you say Matt Leinert. (Is Sam Darnold the next Matt Leinert?)
Josh Heupel won a national championship at QB. Craig Krenzel did too. Ken Dorsey. Matt Mauck. Chris Leak. Tim Tebow. Greg McElroy.
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Thank God Kizer doesn't have that stigma.
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Josh Heupel won a national championship at QB. Craig Krenzel did too. Ken Dorsey. Matt Mauck. Chris Leak. Tim Tebow. Greg McElroy.
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Thank God Kizer doesn't have that stigma.
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Thank God Kizer doesn't have that stigma.
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And thank God they did not trade for AJ McCarron...also a national title QB.
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Thank God Kizer doesn't have that stigma.
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And thank God they did not trade for AJ McCarron...also a national title QB.
And thank God they did not trade for AJ McCarron...also a national title QB.
I guess it depends what they traded for him.
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Um, regarding Mitch- nope, doesn't play for the Browns, not making excuses for him. It will be interesting to see who has the better pro career, Trubisky or Kizer.
Chicago is looking for their first 2 fans happy about their trade up for Mitch. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you and Ghoolie to become those 2 fans...
Chicago is looking for their first 2 fans happy about their trade up for Mitch. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you and Ghoolie to become those 2 fans...
Ha, you would have been cheering for Mitch too. if the Bears hadn't taken him @ #2, we would have @ #5. If Cleveland had drafted him, the fans attitude would have been entirely different.
Not so bold prediction: Kizer won't get 1\2 the Cleveland love Trubisky would have. Plenty of ND hatas out there. If you don't think there's a small legion of fans out there that will boo him after his second interception in a game- you'd be wrong. He's already rubbed a bunch of fans the wrong way with his statements after getting drafted. Humble, he's not. They say you only have one chance to make a good first impression. And to this fan- he failed. Unlikable and unlovable. The only way he's going to earn my love is win some frickin' football games. And it's NOT because we didn't draft Mitch. Same reason a bunch of us had a WTF moment when we drafted Kessler last year.
I've changed my mind (a little) since Friday night. I suppose he's a good value pick with upside. What I like best is several of the early 2018 mock drafts have us taking Darnold, regardless that we drafted Kizer. If Sam's the stud everyone thinks he is, we could wind up in a similar situation as the Patriots with Garropolo. Of course if we go 7-9 like the some of the Sunshine pumpers have us at, we're probably not going to be in the discussion of moving up to #1 next year.
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Chicago is looking for their first 2 fans happy about their trade up for Mitch. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you and Ghoolie to become those 2 fans...
Ha, you would have been cheering for Mitch too. if the Bears hadn't taken him @ #2, we would have @ #5. If Cleveland had drafted him, the fans attitude would have been entirely different.
Not so bold prediction: Kizer won't get 1\2 the Cleveland love Trubisky would have. Plenty of ND hatas out there. If you don't think there's a small legion of fans out there that will boo him after his second interception in a game- you'd be wrong. He's already rubbed a bunch of fans the wrong way with his statements after getting drafted. Humble, he's not. They say you only have one chance to make a good first impression. And to this fan- he failed. Unlikable and unlovable. The only way he's going to earn my love is win some frickin' football games. And it's NOT because we didn't draft Mitch. Same reason a bunch of us had a WTF moment when we drafted Kessler last year.
I've changed my mind (a little) since Friday night. I suppose he's a good value pick with upside. What I like best is several of the early 2018 mock drafts have us taking Darnold, regardless that we drafted Kizer. If Sam's the stud everyone thinks he is, we could wind up in a similar situation as the Patriots with Garropolo. Of course if we go 7-9 like the some of the Sunshine pumpers have us at, we're probably not going to be in the discussion of moving up to #1 next year.
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