Are you disappointed and why?
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In what way was the drafting of Ogbah (2nd round) and Nassib (3rd round) a waste? Ogbah was making plays (even out of position) and Nassib was good for the first two games until he hurt his hand which hampered his development. He was also playing out of position. They are 4.3 Defensive ends trying to play linebacker in a 3.4. They both showed promise. Ndjoku was the second best tight end in the draft and has the most upside of any TE, said by almost every analyst considering he is only 20 years old!! Collins was hands down the best player on the defense when he came over last year and they only gave up a 3rd round compensatory pick for him. I will give you pepper's value is a little all over the board but he's exactly the type of high risk/reward player you take with your 2nd first round pick. If at worst he sucks at SS, his special teams abilities are elite. Bacon, you have the Jimmy Haslam effect going on where if it isn't fixed immediately it's a failure. I compare your thought process to the cubs fans in year 2 of the Theo era who were up in arms because he wouldn't sign high priced free agents, even after he explicitly told everyone what he was doing. How did that work out? Very few rookies ever make real impacts, including qb's (manning and luck sucked ass their first year). This regime has made it abundantly clear they are going to take talented players and need time to develop a roster. Give a team a chance before you call picks a waste.
Ogbah and Nassib won't be starters and will be fill in players and the Browns used a 2nd & 3rd on them. Drafting an elite special teamer #25th isn't smart and Ndjoku is still an unknown quantity on a team where the GM knows they need starters to come in right away and produce.
Ogbah and Nassib won't be starters and will be fill in players and the Browns used a 2nd & 3rd on them. Drafting an elite special teamer #25th isn't smart and Ndjoku is still an unknown quantity on a team where the GM knows they need starters to come in right away and produce.
Ogbah will be our starting LE/SDE. Hardly a "fill in" player.
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absolutely loved the first round.
kizer? ehhhh... but what do i know.
instead of him i woulda gone OL or DB/S and grabbed kaaya later.
i'm willing to see what happens.
all i know is when the browns are 2 and 10 going into the coldest part of the year in OH there will be a lot of people bitching and not spending their money or time at the stadium. the FO has to show that last year's picks are adding to wins this year and so on.
if NOT these guys got one year left on a chair that's already teetering with a noose around their necks.
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Drafted Peppers Not disappointed
Even tho we only drafted him once? What kinda homer are you?
Ogbah will be our starting LE/SDE. Hardly a "fill in" player.
And Nassib? Rotational 5/7? Situational 5/3? Both?
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True Tourma.
We could have drafted Wormley.
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True Tourma. We could have drafted Wormley.
Methinks you've missed my point... which was "could have drafted Peppers more than once..."
See he plays multiple positions theref... eh... never mind...
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True Tourma. We could have drafted Wormley.
Methinks you've missed my point... which was "could have drafted Peppers more than once..."
See he plays multiple positions theref... eh... never mind...
Methinks you've missed my point... which was "could have drafted Peppers more than once..."
See he plays multiple positions theref... eh... never mind...
No, I got it. But I'd rather use the joke to push another Michigan guy haha. I'm still ecstatic with the one we got.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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To me, how I'm going to grade this draft will ultimately depend on how Kizer pans out. If he does, the FO gets an A+, if not, B-.
Eh....I didnt want any of them anyway.....KNEW we'd have to pick another next year, so was happy to stick with Kess and the Ostrich, instead of having to burn a 1st - 2nd -3rd over 3 straight years.....add Johnny and its 4 outta 5 years....
So....I have no expectation that Kizer is the guy....nor do I think the Browns think Kizer is the guy....so that part of the draft is already graded low for me.....
Its all the others Im hoping meet expectations.....and if Kizer shines, then its like a huge bonus.....
Eh....I didnt want any of them anyway.....KNEW we'd have to pick another next year, so was happy to stick with Kess and the Ostrich, instead of having to burn a 1st - 2nd -3rd over 3 straight years.....add Johnny and its 4 outta 5 years....
So....I have no expectation that Kizer is the guy....nor do I think the Browns think Kizer is the guy....so that part of the draft is already graded low for me.....
Its all the others Im hoping meet expectations.....and if Kizer shines, then its like a huge bonus.....
Question would be Mud- if the Browns didn't think Kizer is "the guy" then why waste a second round pick on him? FWIW, Hue already said Kizer is going ot get a chance to compete for the starting job. Really? I thought Deshone needed some time to "develop". The USA Today 2018 mock is out, and has us taking Darnold. Said it earlier- if that's the plan, just roll with Kessler and the Ostrich and "Suck for Sam".
lol - most expensive girls bike in history! Yea, I love rockin' mik's tees.
Nice bike, couldn't tell what the frame is though. Full suspension, disc brakes.
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Eh....I didnt want any of them anyway.....KNEW we'd have to pick another next year, so was happy to stick with Kess and the Ostrich, instead of having to burn a 1st - 2nd -3rd over 3 straight years.....add Johnny and its 4 outta 5 years....
So....I have no expectation that Kizer is the guy....nor do I think the Browns think Kizer is the guy....so that part of the draft is already graded low for me.....
Its all the others Im hoping meet expectations.....and if Kizer shines, then its like a huge bonus.....
Question would be Mud- if the Browns didn't think Kizer is "the guy" then why waste a second round pick on him? FWIW, Hue already said Kizer is going ot get a chance to compete for the starting job. Really? I thought Deshone needed some time to "develop". The USA Today 2018 mock is out, and has us taking Darnold. Said it earlier- if that's the plan, just roll with Kessler and the Ostrich and "Suck for Sam".
lol - most expensive girls bike in history! Yea, I love rockin' mik's tees.
Nice bike, couldn't tell what the frame is though. Full suspension, disc brakes.
Question would be Mud- if the Browns didn't think Kizer is "the guy" then why waste a second round pick on him? FWIW, Hue already said Kizer is going ot get a chance to compete for the starting job. Really? I thought Deshone needed some time to "develop". The USA Today 2018 mock is out, and has us taking Darnold. Said it earlier- if that's the plan, just roll with Kessler and the Ostrich and "Suck for Sam".
Nice bike, couldn't tell what the frame is though. Full suspension, disc brakes.
My money is on "carbon fiber"...
On Kizer... we only have to like Kizer's chances of being the guy enough to risk a 2nd on him... pure risk reward. My guess is that we didn't see a dimes worth of difference between he and/or Mitch and/or DeShaun, but at the price of a 2nd vs. a first, DeShon was the right prospect at the right price.
As for letting him compete, why not? Which of our four has established himself at this point? Let the "competition" determine who is most ready to learn as a starter, and who gets to sit and learn.
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Eh....I didnt want any of them anyway.....KNEW we'd have to pick another next year, so was happy to stick with Kess and the Ostrich, instead of having to burn a 1st - 2nd -3rd over 3 straight years.....add Johnny and its 4 outta 5 years....
So....I have no expectation that Kizer is the guy....nor do I think the Browns think Kizer is the guy....so that part of the draft is already graded low for me.....
Its all the others Im hoping meet expectations.....and if Kizer shines, then its like a huge bonus.....
Question would be Mud- if the Browns didn't think Kizer is "the guy" then why waste a second round pick on him? FWIW, Hue already said Kizer is going ot get a chance to compete for the starting job. Really? I thought Deshone needed some time to "develop". The USA Today 2018 mock is out, and has us taking Darnold. Said it earlier- if that's the plan, just roll with Kessler and the Ostrich and "Suck for Sam".
lol - most expensive girls bike in history! Yea, I love rockin' mik's tees.
Nice bike, couldn't tell what the frame is though. Full suspension, disc brakes.
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In what way was the drafting of Ogbah (2nd round) and Nassib (3rd round) a waste? Ogbah was making plays (even out of position) and Nassib was good for the first two games until he hurt his hand which hampered his development. He was also playing out of position. They are 4.3 Defensive ends trying to play linebacker in a 3.4. They both showed promise. Ndjoku was the second best tight end in the draft and has the most upside of any TE, said by almost every analyst considering he is only 20 years old!! Collins was hands down the best player on the defense when he came over last year and they only gave up a 3rd round compensatory pick for him. I will give you pepper's value is a little all over the board but he's exactly the type of high risk/reward player you take with your 2nd first round pick. If at worst he sucks at SS, his special teams abilities are elite. Bacon, you have the Jimmy Haslam effect going on where if it isn't fixed immediately it's a failure. I compare your thought process to the cubs fans in year 2 of the Theo era who were up in arms because he wouldn't sign high priced free agents, even after he explicitly told everyone what he was doing. How did that work out? Very few rookies ever make real impacts, including qb's (manning and luck sucked ass their first year). This regime has made it abundantly clear they are going to take talented players and need time to develop a roster. Give a team a chance before you call picks a waste.
Ogbah and Nassib won't be starters and will be fill in players and the Browns used a 2nd & 3rd on them. Drafting an elite special teamer #25th isn't smart and Ndjoku is still an unknown quantity on a team where the GM knows they need starters to come in right away and produce.
Ogbah and Nassib won't be starters and will be fill in players and the Browns used a 2nd & 3rd on them. Drafting an elite special teamer #25th isn't smart and Ndjoku is still an unknown quantity on a team where the GM knows they need starters to come in right away and produce.
Who is going to start at the other DE spot...assuming Garrett takes over one? Ogbah is the incumbent. Who do you think replaces him as starter?
My answer? no one.
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No, I got it. But I'd rather use the joke to push another Michigan guy haha. I'm still ecstatic with the one we got.
Yes, we know that apparently all you care about are the Michidick guys on this roster.....so tell us this: does Stribling have a chance to contribute? I think he may.
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Drafted Peppers Not disappointed
Even tho we only drafted him once? What kinda homer are you?
Ogbah will be our starting LE/SDE. Hardly a "fill in" player.
And Nassib? Rotational 5/7? Situational 5/3? Both?
Even tho we only drafted him once? What kinda homer are you?
And Nassib? Rotational 5/7? Situational 5/3? Both?
If any of our ends get kicked inside its Ogbah. He just plays lower than Carl. Of course only being 6'2 while carl is easily 6'5 helps.
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I am disappointed in all of these armchair and keyboard coaches criticizing the draft.
Wait a few years knob lickers and then tell me if you are disappointed or not..
For fuck's sake these kids haven't even played a down yet in the NFL!
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@ghoolie said:
Will Garrett get hurt? Very, very likely. Considering he is a show off, considering he will be the golden boy, and considering he will be trying to make miracles in every game because we have no offense? Yeah, fatigue and overplay most likely earmark him for a 2017 injury.This draft for the Browns was pure shit. Kizer? That's who Hue fell in love with this year? Seriously, Hue is the dumbest motherfucking coach in the history of the NFL. He is dumber than Blow-me-o Crennel.
Agreed Garrett will try to do too much and get caught out of position early and often.
Regarding Kizer- doing a little more research. His first 12 or so college games were pretty good, his last 10 sucked. Did other teams figure out how to confuse him?
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If any of our ends get kicked inside its Ogbah. He just plays lower than Carl. Of course only being 6'2 while carl is easily 6'5 helps.
True, but Carl's #1 tech need is playing lower... and a 6'5 frame with a wingspan in the middle can take away a lot of short to medium throws...
Then again... that sounds like a job for Myles...
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Thanks! It's a Niner RIP 9
I have a relatively cheap Jamis mountain bike- it only goes out in wet weather and snow. I don't ride trails, unless they're damn near paved. A crash at my age would result in a trip to the hospital. I've got a nice custom Waterford for the road.
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@ghoolie said:
Will Garrett get hurt? Very, very likely. Considering he is a show off, considering he will be the golden boy, and considering he will be trying to make miracles in every game because we have no offense? Yeah, fatigue and overplay most likely earmark him for a 2017 injury.This draft for the Browns was pure shit. Kizer? That's who Hue fell in love with this year? Seriously, Hue is the dumbest motherfucking coach in the history of the NFL. He is dumber than Blow-me-o Crennel.
Agreed Garrett will try to do too much and get caught out of position early and often.
Regarding Kizer- doing a little more research. His first 12 or so college games were pretty good, his last 10 sucked. Did other teams figure out how to confuse him?
Agreed Garrett will try to do too much and get caught out of position early and often.
Regarding Kizer- doing a little more research. His first 12 or so college games were pretty good, his last 10 sucked. Did other teams figure out how to confuse him?
So if mark dantonio can do it you suppose Marvin lewis can figure it out?
WSS
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I have a relatively cheap Jamis mountain bike- it only goes out in wet weather and snow. I don't ride trails, unless they're damn near paved. A crash at my age would result in a trip to the hospital. I've got a nice custom Waterford for the road.
Nice! I had a Jamis Dakar XCR before my 9er...... They are all soul cleansing once you throw your leg over 'em.
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@ghoolie said:
Will Garrett get hurt? Very, very likely. Considering he is a show off, considering he will be the golden boy, and considering he will be trying to make miracles in every game because we have no offense? Yeah, fatigue and overplay most likely earmark him for a 2017 injury.This draft for the Browns was pure shit. Kizer? That's who Hue fell in love with this year? Seriously, Hue is the dumbest motherfucking coach in the history of the NFL. He is dumber than Blow-me-o Crennel.
Agreed Garrett will try to do too much and get caught out of position early and often.
Regarding Kizer- doing a little more research. His first 12 or so college games were pretty good, his last 10 sucked. Did other teams figure out how to confuse him?
Regarding Kizer- doing a little more research. His first 12 or so college games were pretty good, his last 10 sucked. Did other teams figure out how to confuse him?
Can't discount the possibility that "the second time around" was not a factor, but that ND 2016 was an inferior team compared to ND 2015 is indisputable.
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