Cody Kessler = The Right Handed Paul McDonald
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Many of you remember Paul McDonald no? 6'2" 200 lb. QB out of USC for the Browns. Started a full year for the Browns after Sipe, and before Kosar. Many thought he could be the left handed Brian Sipe...similar build...southern California boys. Both with "weakish" arm talent. But he was not...by any means like Sipe as it turned out.
Now we have Cody Kessler. Similar size to both Sipe and McDonald 6'1 220 lbs. (current weight training and nutrition adds 20 pounds to guys these days). Another USC/SoCal lad. Also with what is considered a "weakish" arm.
So, is Cody going to be the right handed Paul McDonald...or the second coming of Brian Sipe?
Just FYI, McDonald's career stats, most, but not all with Browns:
8-13 as a starter 411/767 5269 career yards, 24 career TDs.
So far, Cody is 0-8 as a starter, 128/195 with 6 TD passes.
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Again, just FYI....Sipe's numbers, all with Browns (USFL not included)
57-55 as a starting QB
1944/3439
23,713 yards
154 career TD passes.
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From what I saw last year,Kessler is better than McDonald, mainly because he didn't turn the ball over a ton. While I'm not too sure he is the answer to the QB puzzle, he looked competent and not overwhelmed (we've all seen 3rd stringers struggle).
Paul McDonald took over the QB spot when Sipe left for the USFL. If I recall, McDonald had 3 or 4 pick 6's alone in 1984,most of them in the 4th quarter.
McDonald's best work was with USC, handing off to Charles White as it turned out. Sipe was lured to the USFL with big money, and the Browns didn't match it. On the bright side of the McDonald "era," it lead to the hiring of Marty, brought Kosar & Danielson here, and exciting (yet ultimately disappointing) times back in the 80s.
Karlis Missed -
I remember McDonald, he was awful in the games I can recall seeing him play. I think Kessler can be a solid #2 QB in the NFL, I don't know yet if he can be the guy, I think he is more of a game manager type not a guy who elevates everyones play. Kessler has played better then many of the guys we drafted to be the guy like Weeden, McCoy, Manziel, Quinn etc.
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Look at the situation Kessler walked into. A depleted OL with a QB who switched to receiver, in his first games as a receiver, as his best weapon.
...no clue what Kessler will become.....if I had to guess, our backup...but that's being harsh on him based on last year.
Remember, his 1st pass in an NFL game (pre season) was for a TD. (he later blindly ran out the back of the end zone for a safety)
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Poor Kessler. I hope he is able to gut it out and become the Browns' franchise QB, but this reminds me a bit of Colt McCoy's situation. McCoy came in and did the best he could with what he had to work with, he had one year of Peyton Hillis but no receivers (MoMass and Greg "Stonehands" Little did him no favors), and repeatedly got clobbered. I hope he finds success some day.
Kessler did decent but again, there was a lack of offensive (and defensive) weapons. Since the Browns were always playing from behind due to the poor defense, other teams knew the Browns had to rely on Kessler's arm to score points. They just had to blitz every time and since the Browns did not have a running back or TE who could block, it was easy to overwhelm the O-line and destroy Kessler. Kessler held on to the ball too long, but his receivers could not get open a lot of the time. Hopefully things will change this season. I'd much rather let Kessler lead than Osweiler. Osweiler has too slow of a windup and makes too many dumb decisions.
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Poor Kessler. I hope he is able to gut it out and become the Browns' franchise QB, but this reminds me a bit of Colt McCoy's situation. McCoy came in and did the best he could with what he had to work with, he had one year of Peyton Hillis but no receivers (MoMass and Greg "Stonehands" Little did him no favors), and repeatedly got clobbered. I hope he finds success some day.
Kessler did decent but again, there was a lack of offensive (and defensive) weapons. Since the Browns were always playing from behind due to the poor defense, other teams knew the Browns had to rely on Kessler's arm to score points. They just had to blitz every time and since the Browns did not have a running back or TE who could block, it was easy to overwhelm the O-line and destroy Kessler. Kessler held on to the ball too long, but his receivers could not get open a lot of the time. Hopefully things will change this season. I'd much rather let Kessler lead than Osweiler. Osweiler has too slow of a windup and makes too many dumb decisions.
Poor Kessler. I hope he is able to gut it out and become the Browns' franchise QB, but this reminds me a bit of Colt McCoy's situation. McCoy came in and did the best he could with what he had to work with, he had one year of Peyton Hillis but no receivers (MoMass and Greg "Stonehands" Little did him no favors), and repeatedly got clobbered. I hope he finds success some day.
Kessler did decent but again, there was a lack of offensive (and defensive) weapons. Since the Browns were always playing from behind due to the poor defense, other teams knew the Browns had to rely on Kessler's arm to score points. They just had to blitz every time and since the Browns did not have a running back or TE who could block, it was easy to overwhelm the O-line and destroy Kessler. Kessler held on to the ball too long, but his receivers could not get open a lot of the time. Hopefully things will change this season. I'd much rather let Kessler lead than Osweiler. Osweiler has too slow of a windup and makes too many dumb decisions.
What you said about the Ostrich also may apply to Kizer. We shall see.
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From what I saw last year,Kessler is better than McDonald, mainly because he didn't turn the ball over a ton. While I'm not too sure he is the answer to the QB puzzle, he looked competent and not overwhelmed (we've all seen 3rd stringers struggle).
Paul McDonald took over the QB spot when Sipe left for the USFL. If I recall, McDonald had 3 or 4 pick 6's alone in 1984,most of them in the 4th quarter.
McDonald's best work was with USC, handing off to Charles White as it turned out. Sipe was lured to the USFL with big money, and the Browns didn't match it. On the bright side of the McDonald "era," it lead to the hiring of Marty, brought Kosar & Danielson here, and exciting (yet ultimately disappointing) times back in the 80s.
From what I saw last year,Kessler is better than McDonald, mainly because he didn't turn the ball over a ton. While I'm not too sure he is the answer to the QB puzzle, he looked competent and not overwhelmed (we've all seen 3rd stringers struggle).
Paul McDonald took over the QB spot when Sipe left for the USFL. If I recall, McDonald had 3 or 4 pick 6's alone in 1984,most of them in the 4th quarter.
McDonald's best work was with USC, handing off to Charles White as it turned out. Sipe was lured to the USFL with big money, and the Browns didn't match it. On the bright side of the McDonald "era," it lead to the hiring of Marty, brought Kosar & Danielson here, and exciting (yet ultimately disappointing) times back in the 80s.
Well, here is a thing: ALL QBs back in the 60s/70s and early 80s had TD to INT ratios of about 1:1. It is only since the mid 80s that the TD to Int. ratios have gone way down..or is it up? Here are some of the TD to Int. ratios of HOF QBs from back in that day:
Joe Namath 173 TDs 220 Ints
Bradshaw 212/210
Jurgenson 255/189
Starr 152/138
Staubach 153/109
Griese 192/172
Tarkenton 342/266 (White Tarkenton, that is)
Dawson 239/183
Stabler 194/222
Blanda 236/277
Fouts 254/242
Going back a bit further:
Otto Graham 174/135
John Unitas 290/252
Waterfield 97/128
Bobby Layne 196/245
Van Brocklin 173/178
Sammy Baugh 187/203
Sid Luckman 137/132
None of these numbers would be acceptable in this day and age, Fair to say?
And look at these:
Aikman 165/141
Elway 300/226
Favre 508/336
Kelly 237/175
Marino 420/252
Montana 237/139
Moon 291/233
Kurt Warner 208/128
Steve Young 232/107
Brady 452/152
Eli 320/215
Peyton 539/251
Ben R. 301/160
All recent QBs with fairly significant above 1:1 ratios.
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Dudes, Kessler is dead man walking. You don't draft Black Tarkenton if you are intending on sticking it out with Cody. Kessler is going to get destroyed this season. Physically AND emotionally. Hue fucked this kid in the ass.
OK, now..who is the "Black Tarkenton?" I thought it was supposed to be RGIII.....and now it is someone else? Kizer? Cam Newton? Russell Wilson? DeShaun Watson? In confusing yourself Ghoolie you are also confusing the rest of us.
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From what I saw last year,Kessler is better than McDonald, mainly because he didn't turn the ball over a ton. While I'm not too sure he is the answer to the QB puzzle, he looked competent and not overwhelmed (we've all seen 3rd stringers struggle).
Paul McDonald took over the QB spot when Sipe left for the USFL. If I recall, McDonald had 3 or 4 pick 6's alone in 1984,most of them in the 4th quarter.
McDonald's best work was with USC, handing off to Charles White as it turned out. Sipe was lured to the USFL with big money, and the Browns didn't match it. On the bright side of the McDonald "era," it lead to the hiring of Marty, brought Kosar & Danielson here, and exciting (yet ultimately disappointing) times back in the 80s.
Well, here is a thing: ALL QBs back in the 60s/70s and early 80s had TD to INT ratios of about 1:1. It is only since the mid 80s that the TD to Int. ratios have gone way down..or is it up? Here are some of the TD to Int. ratios of HOF QBs from back in that day:
Joe Namath 173 TDs 220 Ints
Bradshaw 212/210
Jurgenson 255/189
Starr 152/138
Staubach 153/109
Griese 192/172
Tarkenton 342/266 (White Tarkenton, that is)
Dawson 239/183
Stabler 194/222
Blanda 236/277
Fouts 254/242
Going back a bit further:
Otto Graham 174/135
John Unitas 290/252
Waterfield 97/128
Bobby Layne 196/245
Van Brocklin 173/178
Sammy Baugh 187/203
Sid Luckman 137/132
None of these numbers would be acceptable in this day and age, Fair to say?
And look at these:
Aikman 165/141
Elway 300/226
Favre 508/336
Kelly 237/175
Marino 420/252
Montana 237/139
Moon 291/233
Kurt Warner 208/128
Steve Young 232/107
Brady 452/152
Eli 320/215
Peyton 539/251
Ben R. 301/160
All recent QBs with fairly significant above 1:1 ratios.
Well, here is a thing: ALL QBs back in the 60s/70s and early 80s had TD to INT ratios of about 1:1. It is only since the mid 80s that the TD to Int. ratios have gone way down..or is it up? Here are some of the TD to Int. ratios of HOF QBs from back in that day:
Joe Namath 173 TDs 220 Ints
Bradshaw 212/210
Jurgenson 255/189
Starr 152/138
Staubach 153/109
Griese 192/172
Tarkenton 342/266 (White Tarkenton, that is)
Dawson 239/183
Stabler 194/222
Blanda 236/277
Fouts 254/242
Going back a bit further:
Otto Graham 174/135
John Unitas 290/252
Waterfield 97/128
Bobby Layne 196/245
Van Brocklin 173/178
Sammy Baugh 187/203
Sid Luckman 137/132
None of these numbers would be acceptable in this day and age, Fair to say?
And look at these:
Aikman 165/141
Elway 300/226
Favre 508/336
Kelly 237/175
Marino 420/252
Montana 237/139
Moon 291/233
Kurt Warner 208/128
Steve Young 232/107
Brady 452/152
Eli 320/215
Peyton 539/251
Ben R. 301/160
All recent QBs with fairly significant above 1:1 ratios.
Wow on those stats but honestly, I'd take Staubach & Stabler with the game on the line any day. One of my favorite games was when Stabler beat the Dolphins in a 1974 playoff game. And they called Roger "Captain Comeback" for a reason.
I'm going to do some digging on Stabler, I wonder if all those INTs piled up after he went to New Orleans and Houston.
Karlis Missed -
Dudes, Kessler is dead man walking. You don't draft Black Tarkenton if you are intending on sticking it out with Cody. Kessler is going to get destroyed this season. Physically AND emotionally. Hue fucked this kid in the ass.
OK, now..who is the "Black Tarkenton?" I thought it was supposed to be RGIII.....and now it is someone else? Kizer? Cam Newton? Russell Wilson? DeShaun Watson? In confusing yourself Ghoolie you are also confusing the rest of us.
Dudes, Kessler is dead man walking. You don't draft Black Tarkenton if you are intending on sticking it out with Cody. Kessler is going to get destroyed this season. Physically AND emotionally. Hue fucked this kid in the ass.
OK, now..who is the "Black Tarkenton?" I thought it was supposed to be RGIII.....and now it is someone else? Kizer? Cam Newton? Russell Wilson? DeShaun Watson? In confusing yourself Ghoolie you are also confusing the rest of us.
I think He just likes typing 'Black tarkentons" LOL...
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Dudes, Kessler is dead man walking. You don't draft Black Tarkenton if you are intending on sticking it out with Cody. Kessler is going to get destroyed this season. Physically AND emotionally. Hue fucked this kid in the ass.
OK, now..who is the "Black Tarkenton?" I thought it was supposed to be RGIII.....and now it is someone else? Kizer? Cam Newton? Russell Wilson? DeShaun Watson? In confusing yourself Ghoolie you are also confusing the rest of us.
I think He just likes typing 'Black tarkentons" LOL...
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Well, here is a thing: ALL QBs back in the 60s/70s and early 80s had TD to INT ratios of about 1:1. It is only since the mid 80s that the TD to Int. ratios have gone way down..or is it up? Here are some of the TD to Int. ratios of HOF QBs from back in that day:
Joe Namath 173 TDs 220 Ints
Bradshaw 212/210
Jurgenson 255/189
Starr 152/138
Staubach 153/109
Griese 192/172
Tarkenton 342/266 (White Tarkenton, that is)
Dawson 239/183
Stabler 194/222
Blanda 236/277
Fouts 254/242
Going back a bit further:
Otto Graham 174/135
John Unitas 290/252
Waterfield 97/128
Bobby Layne 196/245
Van Brocklin 173/178
Sammy Baugh 187/203
Sid Luckman 137/132
None of these numbers would be acceptable in this day and age, Fair to say?
And look at these:
Aikman 165/141
Elway 300/226
Favre 508/336
Kelly 237/175
Marino 420/252
Montana 237/139
Moon 291/233
Kurt Warner 208/128
Steve Young 232/107
Brady 452/152
Eli 320/215
Peyton 539/251
Ben R. 301/160
All recent QBs with fairly significant above 1:1 ratios.
Wow on those stats but honestly, I'd take Staubach & Stabler with the game on the line any day. One of my favorite games was when Stabler beat the Dolphins in a 1974 playoff game. And they called Roger "Captain Comeback" for a reason.
I'm going to do some digging on Stabler, I wonder if all those INTs piled up after he went to New Orleans and Houston.
Wow on those stats but honestly, I'd take Staubach & Stabler with the game on the line any day. One of my favorite games was when Stabler beat the Dolphins in a 1974 playoff game. And they called Roger "Captain Comeback" for a reason.
I'm going to do some digging on Stabler, I wonder if all those INTs piled up after he went to New Orleans and Houston.
And notice that while his contemporaries were below a 1:1 ratio of TDs to Ints, Otto Graham was significantly above that ratio:
Otto Graham 174/135
Waterfield 97/128
Bobby Layne 196/245
Van Brocklin 173/178
Sammy Baugh 187/203
Sid Luckman 137/132
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