Browns hire Ryan Grigson, former Colts GM, as senior personnel executive
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Meh... one add in a scouting role can't wreck this FO... and that's all he is... a "national scout".
If Berry wants him for some reason, that's good enough for me.
Meh... one add in a scouting role can't wreck this FO... and that's all he is... a "national scout".
If Berry wants him for some reason, that's good enough for me.
I see there's only a single rational, reasoned response in this thread. Since this FO hiring last year, can't even count the number of people pining for a football guy. They hire one, and now come out the pitchforks.
Swear most football fans lack the cognitive awareness to speak on the game.
He's a scout here...do scouts pick players? Jfc some people...
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Ryan will be in charge of hot beverage & pastry procurement during his (hopefully short) tenure with the Browns.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Not a huge fan of the hire, but sometimes a person just isn't a fit for enhanced responsibilities. He was a director of scouting but, clearly, struggled with all the demands of being a GM and the ability to execute. Unlike most of the posters so far, I really like what the browns are doing in the draft and with Free Agency. I think they are executing their plan how they envisioned it. I love how people discount players after one year and yet EVERY TALENT EVALUATOR IN THE NFL says that it takes 3 years to fully evaluate a player and his abilities. Remember, this team was designed to be loaded with rookies and not be good last year. You can't replace 70% of the roster and expect them to all maximize potential year one. The Browns knowingly accepted this team was going to struggle but at the same time they are going to grow together as a team. IMOP, there is going to be a huge jump from last year to this year.
That being said, here is what was said about Grigson when he was originally hired by the Colts (scroll down to about half way down):
http://www.illinoishomepage.net/sports/local-sports/colts-hire-ryan-grigson-as-gm/104287079
I have two thoughts:
1.) Berry is throwing his old boss a bone and realized that even though he sucked at being a GM, he could evaluate talent well. The browns need someone to direct college scouting and this is what got him hired by the Colts originally as he was "at the time" very well regarded in this area
2.) Berry needs an errand boy and wants to completely stick it to his old boss and make him his lackey
I'm still not in total support of this hire, but everyone thought hiring pete caroll a second time around was a joke. Bill Belicheck was forced out of Cleveland. Josh McDaniels was canned as a head coach but now is considered one of the best OC in the game. You can list a number of former people who just couldn't handle more responsibilities of a job and returned to what they were good at and became successful. Not sure this will be the case but who knows.
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His job in Philly was fetching coffee for that dumbfuck we fired years ago Tom Suckert. Let him go back to fetching coffee elsewhere, Cleveland needs for the first time since before the return a proven SUCCESS hiring other successes. This is nothing more than Holmgren 2.0 and Berry hiring his loser friends who can't get jobs anywhere else.
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Ryan will be in charge of hot beverage & pastry procurement during his (hopefully short) tenure with the Browns.
Ryan will be in charge of hot beverage & pastry procurement during his (hopefully short) tenure with the Browns.
Hey...don't underestimate the importance of that role man.
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His job in Philly was fetching coffee for that dumbfuck we fired years ago Tom Suckert. Let him go back to fetching coffee elsewhere, Cleveland needs for the first time since before the return a proven SUCCESS hiring other successes. This is nothing more than Holmgren 2.0 and Berry hiring his loser friends who can't get jobs anywhere else.
His job in Philly was fetching coffee for that dumbfuck we fired years ago Tom Suckert. Let him go back to fetching coffee elsewhere, Cleveland needs for the first time since before the return a proven SUCCESS hiring other successes. This is nothing more than Holmgren 2.0 and Berry hiring his loser friends who can't get jobs anywhere else.
Does anyone think that this is Ghoolie in disguise?
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Yes, it is all a vast conspiracy. Anyone who won't dream the Browns managers cum filled kool aid is obviously all one person. It can't be that multiple folks see the idiocy in the front office. Nahh.....
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I can't quite figure out why they hired this clown. He makes Ray Farmer look competent. . .
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/05/browns_hire_ryan_grigson_forme.html
I think Andrew Berry worked for him. Probably tossing a friend a bone.
I see it that the guy had to do something right to get a shot at GM. He's a scout. I dobut he is going to have much voice in the way we do business.
I think Andrew Berry worked for him. Probably tossing a friend a bone.
I see it that the guy had to do something right to get a shot at GM. He's a scout. I dobut he is going to have much voice in the way we do business.
^^ I would hope so...
Meh... one add in a scouting role can't wreck this FO... and that's all he is... a "national scout".
If Berry wants him for some reason, that's good enough for me.
A scout that can't properly evaluate talent is worse than worthless though. If Grigson signed off on that stuff in Indy- be worried- very worried.
I see there's only a single rational, reasoned response in this thread. Since this FO hiring last year, can't even count the number of people pining for a football guy. They hire one, and now come out the pitchforks.
Swear most football fans lack the cognitive awareness to speak on the game.
He's a scout here...do scouts pick players? Jfc some people...
No, but they tell the guys who do pick players what their evaluations of them are- and if they're consistently wrong? Draw your own conclusions...
Ryan will be in charge of hot beverage & pastry procurement during his (hopefully short) tenure with the Browns.
One would hope so....
Does anyone think that this is Ghoolie in disguise?
The thought did cross my mind... But knows way more than Ghoolie ever would about the goings on in Philly....
Old Boy network recycling their pals... About as upset over this one as drafting Kizer.
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Yes, it is all a vast conspiracy. Anyone who won't dream the Browns managers cum filled kool aid is obviously all one person. It can't be that multiple folks see the idiocy in the front office. Nahh.....
Yes, it is all a vast conspiracy. Anyone who won't dream the Browns managers cum filled kool aid is obviously all one person. It can't be that multiple folks see the idiocy in the front office. Nahh.....
Well, you know how it is: "You people" all look and sound alike to me.
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I'll give them year one. They valued collecting a volume of picks to catch up with a deeper reboot than they thought....Grigson replaces Lake Dawson(great name) who left a week ago to go to Bills(Lake ll)...Bills a drafting mess also..Lets see how it works out. Maybe Homo Depot has Sashi installing football chips between their ears? When I heard Andrew Berry 2 years ago as VP of player scouting I thought big trouble. Berry may have a wick under his a$$ on this years draft picks imho..
The Andrew Berry hire was a head scratcher. Mediocre scout on a team that drafts as bad as Mike Lombardi. It was clear with all of Sashis hires he was just hiring whomever Fritz Pollard Alliance told him was at the top of their list in every position. Andrew Berry was big trouble.
Flash forward to last yeara draft, unorthodox and produced zilch, but okay. We can buy into the whole building a foundation, stockpiling draft picks for next year yadda yadda.
This draft? Clusterfuck to say the least. Drafted a DE with a poor work ethic who takes plays off, a kick returner who has drug and possibly purple drank issues witj a 1st round pick, a TE that can't block, a DT with red flags who was facing charges for hitting a woman and wasn't worth the risk and he idiotically skipped three really good QB prospects to draft Derek Anderson 2.0, a moron who can only launch deep balls, has no brains and folds EVERY. FUCKING. TIME he faces even a little pressure. Just call this draft the what ifs and hopes & dreams draft.
I was all for giving these guys a chance and "time" but after this dradt plus hiring Grigsby? Like I said, a loser mentality permeates the entire Browns Front Office and this stench of shit needs to be heaped on all the other piles of shit since the return.
The Andrew Berry hire was a head scratcher. Mediocre scout on a team that drafts as bad as Mike Lombardi. It was clear with all of Sashis hires he was just hiring whomever Fritz Pollard Alliance told him was at the top of their list in every position. Andrew Berry was big trouble.
Flash forward to last yeara draft, unorthodox and produced zilch, but okay. We can buy into the whole building a foundation, stockpiling draft picks for next year yadda yadda.
This draft? Clusterfuck to say the least. Drafted a DE with a poor work ethic who takes plays off, a kick returner who has drug and possibly purple drank issues witj a 1st round pick, a TE that can't block, a DT with red flags who was facing charges for hitting a woman and wasn't worth the risk and he idiotically skipped three really good QB prospects to draft Derek Anderson 2.0, a moron who can only launch deep balls, has no brains and folds EVERY. FUCKING. TIME he faces even a little pressure. Just call this draft the what ifs and hopes & dreams draft.
I was all for giving these guys a chance and "time" but after this dradt plus hiring Grigsby? Like I said, a loser mentality permeates the entire Browns Front Office and this stench of shit needs to be heaped on all the other piles of shit since the return.
Dude are you trapped in Ghoolie's basement with a guy named Tommy? (Chong maybe) get to a window & blow in your Vikings dunce hat with horns & get help.Fritz Pollard does not have a room of reserved Harvard guys waiting on Depo & Sashi to call Fritz. Harvard's S. Brown went after Harvard. That's on S.Brown. Out of Wentz & Brock & Watson they have collected over 15 picks. Still have a good chance of Ogbah,C.Coleman,S.Coleman & Kessler developing into NFL talent. At least 4 more hits this draft imo. Kizer was the guy that fell to them..not giving away the farm to a class of Kizer's "hope he develops" QB's. The only connection I can put together on Grigsby & Berry is "Let's do it again" on finding the right Andrew Luck in next years draft. They have & kept the ammo at a better pro style QB draft class in 18. But with our Luck, it may take 2 farms to get us there from 5th to 6th pick
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
His job in Philly was fetching coffee for that dumbfuck we fired years ago Tom Suckert. Let him go back to fetching coffee elsewhere, Cleveland needs for the first time since before the return a proven SUCCESS hiring other successes. This is nothing more than Holmgren 2.0 and Berry hiring his loser friends who can't get jobs anywhere else.
Does anyone think that this is Ghoolie in disguise?
Does anyone think that this is Ghoolie in disguise?
uh ya
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Yes, it is all a vast conspiracy. Anyone who won't dream the Browns managers cum filled kool aid is obviously all one person. It can't be that multiple folks see the idiocy in the front office. Nahh.....
Yes, it is all a vast conspiracy. Anyone who won't dream the Browns managers cum filled kool aid is obviously all one person. It can't be that multiple folks see the idiocy in the front office. Nahh.....
#insulinisthenewgold
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Berry pulled a Holmgren and hired a friend.
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The Andrew Berry hire was a head scratcher. Mediocre scout on a team that drafts as bad as Mike Lombardi. It was clear with all of Sashis hires he was just hiring whomever Fritz Pollard Alliance told him was at the top of their list in every position. Andrew Berry was big trouble.
Flash forward to last yeara draft, unorthodox and produced zilch, but okay. We can buy into the whole building a foundation, stockpiling draft picks for next year yadda yadda.
This draft? Clusterfuck to say the least. Drafted a DE with a poor work ethic who takes plays off, a kick returner who has drug and possibly purple drank issues witj a 1st round pick, a TE that can't block, a DT with red flags who was facing charges for hitting a woman and wasn't worth the risk and he idiotically skipped three really good QB prospects to draft Derek Anderson 2.0, a moron who can only launch deep balls, has no brains and folds EVERY. FUCKING. TIME he faces even a little pressure. Just call this draft the what ifs and hopes & dreams draft.
I was all for giving these guys a chance and "time" but after this dradt plus hiring Grigsby? Like I said, a loser mentality permeates the entire Browns Front Office and this stench of shit needs to be heaped on all the other piles of shit since the return.
Dude are you trapped in Ghoolie's basement with a guy named Tommy? (Chong maybe) get to a window & blow in your Vikings dunce hat with horns & get help.Fritz Pollard does not have a room of reserved Harvard guys waiting on Depo & Sashi to call Fritz. Harvard's S. Brown went after Harvard. That's on S.Brown. Out of Wentz & Brock & Watson they have collected over 15 picks. Still have a good chance of Ogbah,C.Coleman,S.Coleman & Kessler developing into NFL talent. At least 4 more hits this draft imo. Kizer was the guy that fell to them..not giving away the farm to a class of Kizer's "hope he develops" QB's. The only connection I can put together on Grigsby & Berry is "Let's do it again" on finding the right Andrew Luck in next years draft. They have & kept the ammo at a better pro style QB draft class in 18. But with our Luck, it may take 2 farms to get us there from 5th to 6th pick
Dude are you trapped in Ghoolie's basement with a guy named Tommy? (Chong maybe) get to a window & blow in your Vikings dunce hat with horns & get help.Fritz Pollard does not have a room of reserved Harvard guys waiting on Depo & Sashi to call Fritz. Harvard's S. Brown went after Harvard. That's on S.Brown. Out of Wentz & Brock & Watson they have collected over 15 picks. Still have a good chance of Ogbah,C.Coleman,S.Coleman & Kessler developing into NFL talent. At least 4 more hits this draft imo. Kizer was the guy that fell to them..not giving away the farm to a class of Kizer's "hope he develops" QB's. The only connection I can put together on Grigsby & Berry is "Let's do it again" on finding the right Andrew Luck in next years draft. They have & kept the ammo at a better pro style QB draft class in 18. But with our Luck, it may take 2 farms to get us there from 5th to 6th pick
Awesome, you named a bunch of guys that went 1-15 and won't move the needle much higher without a QB. That's about all I got out of that idiotic inbred NC diatribe. Well that and because you somehow equated my username to a the MN Vikings like an idiot. Maybe take your own advice and put the meth pipe down Billy Bob.
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Berry pulled a Holmgren and hired a friend.
Berry pulled a Holmgren and hired a friend.
Careful, that might get you accused of being Ghoolie in some peoples conspiracy theories.
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Dude are you trapped in Ghoolie's basement with a guy named Tommy? (Chong maybe) get to a window & blow in your Vikings dunce hat with horns & get help.Fritz Pollard does not have a room of reserved Harvard guys waiting on Depo & Sashi to call Fritz. Harvard's S. Brown went after Harvard. That's on S.Brown. Out of Wentz & Brock & Watson they have collected over 15 picks. Still have a good chance of Ogbah,C.Coleman,S.Coleman & Kessler developing into NFL talent. At least 4 more hits this draft imo. Kizer was the guy that fell to them..not giving away the farm to a class of Kizer's "hope he develops" QB's. The only connection I can put together on Grigsby & Berry is "Let's do it again" on finding the right Andrew Luck in next years draft. They have & kept the ammo at a better pro style QB draft class in 18. But with our Luck, it may take 2 farms to get us there from 5th to 6th pick
Awesome, you named a bunch of guys that went 1-15 and won't move the needle much higher without a QB. That's about all I got out of that idiotic inbred NC diatribe. Well that and because you somehow equated my username to a the MN Vikings like an idiot. Maybe take your own advice and put the meth pipe down Billy Bob.
Maybe take your own advice and put the meth pipe down Billy Bob.
meth pipe? no that was the guy Jim Ersay..they left him running the place in Indy #vikingslong
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well, the Grigson hire is a mistake, to me. Maybe not, but
I take it that he is a football guy who rose way past his level of
incompetency, and has to be starting "all over" again.
Hopefully, it doesn't prove to be a mistake. This FO is plenty brilliant.
They have to have somebody take the company car and go get
the donuts and coffees for meetings....
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I'll give them year one. They valued collecting a volume of picks to catch up with a deeper reboot than they thought....Grigson replaces Lake Dawson(great name) who left a week ago to go to Bills(Lake ll)...Bills a drafting mess also..Lets see how it works out. Maybe Homo Depot has Sashi installing football chips between their ears? When I heard Andrew Berry 2 years ago as VP of player scouting I thought big trouble. Berry may have a wick under his a$$ on this years draft picks imho..
The Andrew Berry hire was a head scratcher. Mediocre scout on a team that drafts as bad as Mike Lombardi. It was clear with all of Sashis hires he was just hiring whomever Fritz Pollard Alliance told him was at the top of their list in every position. Andrew Berry was big trouble.
Flash forward to last yeara draft, unorthodox and produced zilch, but okay. We can buy into the whole building a foundation, stockpiling draft picks for next year yadda yadda.
This draft? Clusterfuck to say the least. Drafted a DE with a poor work ethic who takes plays off, a kick returner who has drug and possibly purple drank issues witj a 1st round pick, a TE that can't block, a DT with red flags who was facing charges for hitting a woman and wasn't worth the risk and he idiotically skipped three really good QB prospects to draft Derek Anderson 2.0, a moron who can only launch deep balls, has no brains and folds EVERY. FUCKING. TIME he faces even a little pressure. Just call this draft the what ifs and hopes & dreams draft.
I was all for giving these guys a chance and "time" but after this dradt plus hiring Grigsby? Like I said, a loser mentality permeates the entire Browns Front Office and this stench of shit needs to be heaped on all the other piles of shit since the return.
This draft? Clusterfuck to say the least.
Uh-huh...
His job in Philly was fetching...
Interesting choice of words... Disciple or alt? I'm leaning towards the latter...
A scout that can't properly evaluate talent is worse than worthless though. If Grigson signed off on that stuff in Indy- be worried- very worried.
Hoorta: consistently wrong? How in any case do you know his evaluations as a scout? Based on his track record as a GM? Then heed your own opinion....if the people supplying him with information suck.....
Bingo... some folks simply can't get it out of their head that a GM is not simply the "Top Scout", a "Super Scout". They're the same folks that want to see Sashi as "The Decider"... or replace him with a "football guy". It'd be funny if it weren't so sad...
Yes, true, old-school GMs still "evaluate" talent, but they don't scout... they can't scout... they don't have time to scout. They have an office to run. They have to have far reaching skills that not only not every, but most true scouts don't have.
One person being both a great scout, but a spectacularly shitty GM is not only not a surprise, it's close to the norm. It's called "The Peter Principle." There's a whole book on it...
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well, the Grigson hire is a mistake, to me. Maybe not, but
I take it that he is a football guy who rose way past his level of
incompetency, and has to be starting "all over" again.
Hopefully, it doesn't prove to be a mistake. This FO is plenty brilliant.
They have to have somebody take the company car and go get
the donuts and coffees for meetings....
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