Browns TE's Preview (Part 1)
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A lot of people missing Barnidge. I'm surprised there isn't a bigger market for 31 yo slow white tight ends who don't block so well.
Zombo
Zombo said:
A lot of people missing Barnidge. I'm surprised there isn't a bigger market for 31 yo slow white tight ends who don't block so well.
Zombo
Pretty in Pink.
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Surprised Holtz hasn't shown anything.
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If Telfer's roster spot depends on his blocking, then he's in trouble...
We don't need a Gronk, although one would be nice. He's the rarest of the rare... a receiving weapon and a 6th lineman in one body. But we need to sacrifice less blocking ability than we have in the pursuit of an added aerial weapon because we want to run the ball.
Seattle fucked up royally when they acquired Graham. They sacrificed too much blocking from the position for the promise of more air attack... and in the process they lost their Offensive identity. While it's not as if we have an identity to sacrifice, we are trying to (re)establish one... and all signs point to it being very much like the "made-for-the-AFCN" one Seattle had.
It is not a matter of being able to set an edge or drive-block a DE. If my TE can reliably chip a DE as he releases to his route or 2nd level assignment, cut off backside pursuit and fill pursuit lanes downfield, then I'm happy. If I can get more, sure, I'll take it, but again, we've not seen the minimum reliably since Dray left.
Couple more comment replies...
- I agree that we have a couple youngins that may fill the bill, however, I do not see a vet being added... and keeping Barn was not an answer.
- While not remembered for his blocking, Ozzie was a better blocker than he was often given credit for being.
- While Gronk stands alone today, there are a handful of other "balanced" TEs still playing that I'd love to see a Brown emulate... Olsen, Kelce both spring immediately to mind.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Stumbled across this "analytic" set in a PFF article on Seth by Mark Chichester • Cleveland Browns • Seth DeValve • Jul 12, 2017
I omitted a couple unfortunate MKC mentions...
- In his rookie year, DeValve played just 92 snaps for the Browns, and caught all 10 catchable targets thrown his way.
- He received a PFF overall grade of 69.6, the third highest grade by a rookie tight end.
- He was productive on his limited snaps, and averaged 2.31 yards per route run, which led all rookie tight ends.
- DeValve was good with the ball in his hands, forcing three missed tackles on his 10 receptions, tying for the most among rookies with Hunter Henry, who saw 26 more receptions.
- When targeting DeValve, Browns quarterbacks earned a passer rating of 150.3, the second-highest mark of all tight ends in the league with at least 10 targets.
- In 2016, The Browns used two tight ends on 20.2 percent of their offensive plays...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-te-seth-devalve-jumped-out-at-browns-camp
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think we kept 4 TE's last year.
The blocking was bad last year with Mack & Schwartz gone. And it only got worse as injuries hit the guard positions.
I agree that we may pick up a veteran blocking TE....unless the McNamara kid turns out be a good blocker at the NFL level. (that would be cool)
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I think we kept 4 TE's last year.
The blocking was bad last year with Mack & Schwartz gone. And it only got worse as injuries hit the guard positions.
I agree that we may pick up a veteran blocking TE....unless the McNamara kid turns out be a good blocker at the NFL level. (that would be cool)
I think we kept 4 TE's last year.
The blocking was bad last year with Mack & Schwartz gone. And it only got worse as injuries hit the guard positions.
I agree that we may pick up a veteran blocking TE....unless the McNamara kid turns out be a good blocker at the NFL level. (that would be cool)
Good points. Like I've said before and Gumby just alluded to - we actually lined Spencer Drango up as a TE quite a bit last year if that says anything on behalf of the blocking we were getting from our Tight End position. But when we do something like this - it pretty much assures the defense we aren't throwing the football.
I remember back when he had Winslow after countless lower body surgeries for knee and staph infections - he was only a fraction of the blocker he was coming out of college. Back then, we had to pick up a dual purpose guy and found a very underrated TE (Steve Heiden) from the Chargers. Using him kept us from tipping off any pass/run tendencies. Good Lord, that already feels like a lifetime ago.
Hopefully, we'll find someone this preseason or discover we already have someone capable...
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No problem do I see. Njoku is not afraid of contact - just the opposite. He was a college YAC monster.
and, he's very, very smart, can play different places in the offense. So can DeValve. They are both -really-
athletic, and they are both -real- football players. should be exciting stuff. Two TE offense plays...
can not wait to watch that.
http://nflspinzone.com/2017/06/19/cleveland-browns-utilizing-multiple-tight-ends-y-and-u/
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No problem do I see. Njoku is not afraid of contact - just the opposite. He was a college YAC monster.
and, he's very, very smart, can play different places in the offense. So can DeValve. They are both -really-
athletic, and they are both -real- football players. should be exciting stuff. Two TE offense plays...
can not wait to watch that.
http://nflspinzone.com/2017/06/19/cleveland-browns-utilizing-multiple-tight-ends-y-and-u/
No problem do I see. Njoku is not afraid of contact - just the opposite. He was a college YAC monster.
and, he's very, very smart, can play different places in the offense. So can DeValve. They are both -really-
athletic, and they are both -real- football players. should be exciting stuff. Two TE offense plays...
can not wait to watch that.
http://nflspinzone.com/2017/06/19/cleveland-browns-utilizing-multiple-tight-ends-y-and-u/
Coleman and Britt outside........Njoku and DeValve TE..............Crow or Duke at RB. - Is that you're thought?
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more like, DeValve (TE), in the slot maybe. I'm thinkin move them all over the place, find mismatches.
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One tidbit in a local Texans broadcast overview...
Last year Texan QBs (mostly Brock) completed over 110 passes to TEs... 50 or more to each of their top two TEs, Fiedorowicz (54) and Griffin (50).
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
One tidbit in a local Texans broadcast overview...
Last year Texan QBs (mostly Brock) completed over 110 passes to TEs... 50 or more to each of their top two TEs, Fiedorowicz (54) and Griffin (50).
One tidbit in a local Texans broadcast overview...
Last year Texan QBs (mostly Brock) completed over 110 passes to TEs... 50 or more to each of their top two TEs, Fiedorowicz (54) and Griffin (50).
So....what do you think the reason for this stat is?
The Texas QB's like TE's?.....or the Texas offense likes TE's?.....or the Texas WR's bite?.....all of the above?.....none of the above?
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One tidbit in a local Texans broadcast overview...
Last year Texan QBs (mostly Brock) completed over 110 passes to TEs... 50 or more to each of their top two TEs, Fiedorowicz (54) and Griffin (50).
So....what do you think the reason for this stat is?
The Texas QB's like TE's?.....or the Texas offense likes TE's?.....or the Texas WR's bite?.....all of the above?.....none of the above?
So....what do you think the reason for this stat is?
The Texas QB's like TE's?.....or the Texas offense likes TE's?.....or the Texas WR's bite?.....all of the above?.....none of the above?
We lead the league with our QB's being hit with 140. Houston's OL was not the greatest allowing 97 hits on their QB's..It's got to be easier dinking a RB or dunking a TE before you would ever see a WR on a come back? Unless your name is Rogers(man what a arm) EDIT::With this Wide of Receiver Corp group we have
Njoku should never be put in a 3 point stance on end of line..slot or Gronk wide is his moneymaker.. -
One tidbit in a local Texans broadcast overview...
Last year Texan QBs (mostly Brock) completed over 110 passes to TEs... 50 or more to each of their top two TEs, Fiedorowicz (54) and Griffin (50).
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Main point was that Brock threw a lot to TEs that on paper are nowhere near as gifted receivers as ones heading our roster... but:
- Certainly nothing wrong with a WR crew led by Hopkins, Strong, Fuller and Miller...
- In Bill-O's O I think TE are simpler, safer choices... lots of seams and delayed crosses... relatively easy reads.
Fiedorowicz is a now very good, well-balanced TE... one I happened to covet a couple drafts ago.
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Could have been worse... could have culverted him.
Fat finger output fixed...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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