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@boo-fagley said:
I never realized that being clutch when the chips are down is a bad thing. As a Browns fan you know all about Elway coming back to win.
Not saying its a bad thing....just saying that on some occasions....he got lucky. If Pete Carroll had not pulled the biggest boner in American sports history....TB does not win that game. (and to me....the final result...the ultimate reason that the Pats did not win that game had nothing to do with TB...though he gets credit.....and rightfully he deserves credit for most of his teams wins....just not that one)
Seattle was allowing 17 total points per game. Brady hung 14 points on them in the 2nd half of the Super Bowl.
Irregardless...it was Pete Carroll who TB should send flowers to for that win.
Most NFL fans think that Brady just lights up the scoreboard every game and every win is because of Bradys greatness. Some of Bradys best plays are throwing the ball away on 3rd down and either punting or kicking the FG. Brady goes 3 and out plenty of times in a game. Smart football is what he is best at and reading defenses and getting NE into the right play for success if executed properly.
Well....nearly every win they have IS because of his greatness....and what you describe...throwing a ball away etc. is simply part of that...so don't short change him there.
I could post a laundry list of "ifs" "mights" "coulds" regarding Brady losses. The other team played better and won. If they won by 1 point it doesnt matter until the NFL starts deciding games by style points. Maybe Ghoolie is wrong?
I said the "ifs" go both ways. And it isn't just Brady that got either lucky or unlucky. (Bernie Kosar in theory shoulda/coulda played in two Super Bowls...etc.
The 40 QB was either George Blanda or Otto Graham cracker.
NO on either. OG retired very young in fact: he was only 33 in his last season in 1955. While Blanda played until he was 48, it was mostly as a kicker/backup QB. While he started and won two championships with the Oilers...he was under 40...he never started a playoff game after he turned 40 (though he did play in some...in relief)
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@boo-fagley said:
I like how Seattle did not get lucky on the reception of the Seattle's foot caught as he was falling down to even get in the red zone. Remember the Seattle vs GB game where Seattle needed to have an onside kick, 2 pt conversion and other plays to beat GB in the playoffs? Seattle made all those lucky plays I guess.
You make your own luck.
Everyone says that Lynch would have won the game. What if he was stopped short?
Those other plays may have been luck....but they were not luck that came out of the complete stupidity of the decisions by the other team. Brady didn't make any of his own luck on that deal. (though you can say that the DB...Malcom whatshisname...certainly did).
And if Lynch had not gotten in, I believe the Seahawks still had another TO...and they could have called that and tried again. Throwing that Int. though made that extra TO irrelevant.
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@boo-fagley said:
You must have watched the Super Bowl through a Zaya rum bottle.
Some games Brady is on fire and cant miss a pass. Some games Brady couldnt hit Rosie ODonnell in the ass with a football.
I could complain that the Giants beat NE in 2 Super Bowls on miracle plays, but that is BS. The Tyree catch wasnt a TD to win the game with 2 seconds on the clock. The NY Giants executed, case closed. Edelmans catch was out of the redzone and no TD. The Falcons had plenty of plays to win that game. A hail Mary is a miracle play to win the game. The Patriots executed to win the game.
Ghoolie you make these statements without facts to support your comments.
1st half Brady was 61% passing
2nd half Brady was 73% passing
Brady missed more passes than he ever has? The Patriots adjusted at the half and the Falcons could not counter.
Brady was lucky, A fucking Immaculate reception kept him in the game. Fuck Brady, I hope he dies.
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Let me know when someone wins a rushing title eight years in a row again."at their position"
Let me know when someone wins a rushing title eight years in a row again.
Let me know when Jim Brown does that.
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Let me know when someone wins a rushing title eight years in a row again.
Let me know when Jim Brown does that.
Let me know when Jim Brown does that.
JB won 5 in a row, then Jim Taylor won one year, then JB won 3 more in a row. He won 8 out of 9 seasons.
Only two other players in history have matched the 3 in a row in rushing titles: Earl Campbell and Emmitt Smith.
Jim Browns 8 total rushing titles are double of what anyone else has ever done:
Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, OJ Simpson, and Steve Van Buren won 4 rushing titles each.
Earl Campbell, Adrian Peterson and Joe Perry won 3 each
The following won 2 each: Whizzer White, Spec Sanders, Marion Motley, Leroy Kelley, LaDanian Tomlinson, Jim Nance, Gale Sayers, Edgerrin James, Cookie Gilchrist, Cliff Battles and Bill Dudley.
There is glaring omission from the above: Walter Payton only won 1 NFL rushing title in his entire career. I would not have guessed that.
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@boo-fagley said:
E Manning was lucky. The Tyree catch kept him in the game.
Oakland was lucky. Rutagliano called red right 88 and Sipe didnt throw it in lake Erie.
Phil Simms was lucky, the Bills kicker missed the FG that would have won the SB.
Elway was lucky. Byner fumbled.
We can go back and analyze every NFL game and find lucky reasons for the win.
Belcihick and the NE staff are the idiots. Cant they see that Brady is all done?
Belichick IS an idiot....at least we can agree about that. (but he may be an idiot for reasons we are not talking about here).
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@boo-fagley said:
Yes, Belichick has 7 Super Bowl rings because he is an idiot.
Thats it!
You don't pay attention. I said he is an idiot for reasons we are not talking about here. Was that too nuanced?
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@boo-fagley said:
Maybe Belichick is just lucky?
Before you tell me about Brady in the 6th round, Bob Kraft loved Drew Bledsoe and the Patriots just signed him to a $100 million dollar contract. Belichick was forced to go along with it, but internally he was sick of Bledsoe and his antics.
He was lucky that they got Tom Brady, absolutely no doubt about it. What if the Browns had taken him instead like 3 picks earlier, and the Pats had gotten Spergon Wynn. Purely serendipitous.
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With the 10th pick in the Browns Board All Time NFL Draft, Suomi selects: Bo Jackson, with an injury-free 10+ year career
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@boo-fagley said:
What reasons?
He didnt uses Remax to sell his house in Cleveland? Can you be less vague?
Yes....because he is a pluperfect prick. Maybe that is not being an idiot...but since anyone's definition of what an idiot is is vague it will suffice.
Just live with the fact that the guy is an idiot...and don't sweat the details.
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@boo-fagley said:
Its not that easy.
Belichick put Brady in the perfect system to succeed. The Browns didnt have the perfect system. Atlanta drafted Brett Farve and thought that he was a bust. Belichick couldnt spend a high pick on Brady with Bledsoe. 4th or a 5th? Sure, but NE wasnt really looking for a QB with so many other needs.
So....what you are saying is that it was the system, and not the man or his talent. That if in fact the Browns had taken Brady....they would have been no better than they have been....and that if the Pats had taken Spergon Wynn...that they would have won the 5 Super Bowls because of BBs "system". Keep smoking what you're smoking dude. I mean, the world is your oyster and you are just flying above it.
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@boo-fagley said:
A lot of people know that BB is not an idiot.
Modell was the idiot.
They deserved each other...its just that Cleveland didn't deserve either.
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@boo-fagley said:
With some of the decisions that Clevelands ownership has made over the years do actually think that Bradys career would have been the same in Cleveland?
No....but it sounds like you think that Spergon Wynn's career would have been the same as Brady's if he had been taken by the Pats then.
If Brady was drafted by the Browns today , yes I believe that the chance of Brady succeeding is almost a given since I firmly believe that Cleveland has a very bright GM in Sashi Brown. I thought that the last draft was superb and FA moves are going to produce wins.
I dont smoke anything or do drugs.
There are certain evidentiary contraindications to your statement.
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@boo-fagley said:
No, Modell is an idiot.
Just like Jerry Jones and Danny Synder.
Worse....those guys are financially competent....Modell was not. Its why he was kicked out of the league.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Pats still had Bledsoe and Wynn would never have beat him out. Besides you made that statement for me.
I was wondering the same about you. A few too many drink at lunch.
Brady didn't technically beat Bledsoe out when he took over. Bledsoe got hurt, remember. If it wasn't Brady taking over then it would have been someone, possibly even Spergon Wynn. But it was Brady who happened to be there. Then Brady took off.
But...you see...NOW you are agreeing with me: It was Tom Brady's talent that allowed him to take control of that team...and NOT BBs "system". You admit now that Spergon Wynn would not have accomplished the same as TB in BBs "system"....ergo...it is Brady's talent...not BBs system that was pre-eminent in that team's success.
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@boo-fagley said:
All 3 are incessant meddlers who could and cannot stay out of football operations.
Bob Kraft meddled in the draft and that is why Parcells quit.
OK...but still.....Snyder, Jones and Kraft were fiscally responsible meddlers...Modell was not.
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@boo-fagley said:
Im not sure what I have agreed to.
Its like Im on the witness stand trying to defend myself for things I did not say.
Bottom line is that you agreed that I am right. No more need be said.
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