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What does hue have to go to keep his job this year?

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  • T Tacosman wrote on
    #1

    I know it depends on more than w-l record and a lot on things like "are we starting to see some progress"....

    but just in terms of a number of wins, what do you think gets him a 3rd year?

    would 4-12 or 5-11 do it?  Does he need to get to 6-10?  

    Clearly if the win total is 3 or less he's done....no nfl coach is going to go 4-28 over two full seasons in a league like the nfl(with massive player turnover) and keep his job.  Regardless of the circumstances.  

    right now vegas has our o/u at 4.5 wins...but you have to bet a little more to take the over.  I think if Hue goes under the vegas win total(4 or less), he's definately done.  5-11 and it just depends on whether the team looks on the upswing...

  • A Alkid3 wrote on
    #2

    4 win season keeps his job. And I believe we can do it. The defense looks good. If we had this defense last year we might have won more games.

  • A Alkid3

    4 win season keeps his job. And I believe we can do it. The defense looks good. If we had this defense last year we might have won more games.

    T Tacosman wrote on
    #3

    @alkid3 said:

    4 win season keeps his job. And I believe we can do it. The defense looks good. If we had this defense last year we might have won more games.

    in a league with a much regression to the mean and turnover as the nfl, any 4 win season is pretty piss poor.  Hell in actual performance level and pythagorean expectations, we were pretty close to a 4 win team last year.

    I just dont know how much improvement 4 wins really represents.  At those sorts of win totals you're still just toiling around the very bottom.

  • L LondonBrown wrote on
    #4

    If this zone read nonsense continues, id expect Greg Williams to be HC next season. 

  • Mark OM Mark O wrote on
    #5

    Only way he loses his job this year or after this season is if he dies at some point during the season. 

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  • Mark OM Mark O

    Only way he loses his job this year or after this season is if he dies at some point during the season. 

    IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on
    #6

    @mark-o said:

    Only way he loses his job this year or after this season is if he dies at some point during the season. 

    And if he manages at least a .500 record in the process, l vote he gets a post mortem raise and stays on as head coach. It'll be Weekend At Bernies meets Remember the Titans.

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  • alporciniA alporcini wrote on
    #7

    I had a buddy place an OVER bet for me in Vegas last weekend.

    Hear me now believe me later.

    Our D is gonna win us two games by themselves. 

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  • Mark OM Mark O

    Only way he loses his job this year or after this season is if he dies at some point during the season. 

    T Tacosman wrote on
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    @mark-o said:

    Only way he loses his job this year or after this season is if he dies at some point during the season. 

    if he goes something ridiculous like 2-14, there is no way he is going to keep his job going 3-33 in 36 nfl games.  That would be unprecedented.  

    I dont think the browns will go 2-14 because of regression to the mean of course.  It is damn hard in a league with as much parity and turnover as the nfl to win 2 or fewer games two straight seasons.  If someone manages to such that badly over 36 games in a league with such parity and turnover, well, they are doing something wrong....

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  • T Tacosman

    @mark-o said:

    Only way he loses his job this year or after this season is if he dies at some point during the season. 

    if he goes something ridiculous like 2-14, there is no way he is going to keep his job going 3-33 in 36 nfl games.  That would be unprecedented.  

    I dont think the browns will go 2-14 because of regression to the mean of course.  It is damn hard in a league with as much parity and turnover as the nfl to win 2 or fewer games two straight seasons.  If someone manages to such that badly over 36 games in a league with such parity and turnover, well, they are doing something wrong....

    IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on
    #9

    @tacosman said:

    if he goes something ridiculous like 2-14, there is no way he is going to keep his job going 3-33 in 36 nfl games.  That would be unprecedented.  

    Extremely unprecedented, especially considering it would mean we played and lost 4 playoff games after only winning 2 games this year.

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  • T Tacosman

    @mark-o said:

    Only way he loses his job this year or after this season is if he dies at some point during the season. 

    if he goes something ridiculous like 2-14, there is no way he is going to keep his job going 3-33 in 36 nfl games.  That would be unprecedented.  

    I dont think the browns will go 2-14 because of regression to the mean of course.  It is damn hard in a league with as much parity and turnover as the nfl to win 2 or fewer games two straight seasons.  If someone manages to such that badly over 36 games in a league with such parity and turnover, well, they are doing something wrong....

    dawg2fanD dawg2fan wrote on
    #10

    @tacosman said:

    if he goes something ridiculous like 2-14, there is no way he is going to keep his job going 3-33 in 36 nfl games.  That would be unprecedented.  

    I dont think the browns will go 2-14 because of regression to the mean of course.  It is damn hard in a league with as much parity and turnover as the nfl to win 2 or fewer games two straight seasons.  If someone manages to such that badly over 36 games in a league with such parity and turnover, well, they are doing something wrong....

    This year's record will not count because of the trades they have next year.  Now If his record is not good next year, especially considering all the picks/trades, then he is gone.

  • IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown

    @tacosman said:

    if he goes something ridiculous like 2-14, there is no way he is going to keep his job going 3-33 in 36 nfl games.  That would be unprecedented.  

    Extremely unprecedented, especially considering it would mean we played and lost 4 playoff games after only winning 2 games this year.

    ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on
    #11

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Extremely unprecedented, especially considering it would mean we played and lost 4 playoff games after only winning 2 games this year.

    Lol. I think his job is safe even if we win one game again. Sad, but true. 

  • OrionO Orion wrote on
    #12

    If Hue gets our QB hurt because he uses him as a RB then I'd have his car warmed up and packed before daylight.

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  • Mark OM Mark O

    Only way he loses his job this year or after this season is if he dies at some point during the season. 

    Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on
    #13

    @mark-o said:

    Only way he loses his job this year or after this season is if he dies at some point during the season. 

    Totally agree & I actually believe he's safe at least through the 2018 season. By the end of 2018, Hue will have secured his job here & very possibly extended.

    THERE! That's one of the few predictions you'll ever get from me.

    Mike

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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #14

    His contract gets him a third year. Dude isn't in danger of losing his job. The fact that this is even a thread is kind of ridiculous.

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  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #15

    Only if the players revolt against him. If the team is competetive he stays. If the team becomes disillusioned with him than thats a diff story. 

  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #16

    Hue would actually have to mismanage into multiple looses that looked like won games to lose his job. Too many players and staffers love working with him for anything bad to happen to him. I think this team is going to surprise us this year with fanatical play that actually gets the crowd really into the games. People will actually be glad they showed up win or lose. There's just a different feeling you can sense that does not sound at all like a team coming off a 1-15 season. This actually feels like a team that sounds like "I got your back!" rather than a few self centered stars.

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  • C CaineDeSoulis wrote on
    #17

    if our offense does not show some kinda of life he'll only make it to the bye this year let alone next year. Ridiculous Play calling persist from last season our defense looks aggressive,fast and effective and COMPLETELY OUTPLAYED our offense. and has for 2 games led us to victory. we have a bottom 3rd offense at best currently. With a top 3 Offensive line with depth. Defensively we are a top 10 defense in yardage and top 5 in points given currently.

    That is the difference a Coach can make. we start losing a pile of games 6-10/3-6 and i can GURANTEE we will have Gregg Williams as a HC by the bye week

    Hue is tied to our Offensive performance and Kizer.

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  • C CaineDeSoulis

    if our offense does not show some kinda of life he'll only make it to the bye this year let alone next year. Ridiculous Play calling persist from last season our defense looks aggressive,fast and effective and COMPLETELY OUTPLAYED our offense. and has for 2 games led us to victory. we have a bottom 3rd offense at best currently. With a top 3 Offensive line with depth. Defensively we are a top 10 defense in yardage and top 5 in points given currently.

    That is the difference a Coach can make. we start losing a pile of games 6-10/3-6 and i can GURANTEE we will have Gregg Williams as a HC by the bye week

    Hue is tied to our Offensive performance and Kizer.

    Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on
    #18

    @cainedesoulis said:

    if our offense does not show some kinda of life he'll only make it to the bye this year let alone next year. Ridiculous Play calling persist from last season our defense looks aggressive,fast and effective and COMPLETELY OUTPLAYED our offense. and has for 2 games led us to victory. we have a bottom 3rd offense at best currently. With a top 3 Offensive line with depth. Defensively we are a top 10 defense in yardage and top 5 in points given currently.

    That is the difference a Coach can make. we start losing a pile of games 6-10/3-6 and i can GURANTEE we will have Gregg Williams as a HC by the bye week

    Hue is tied to our Offensive performance and Kizer.

    Disagree. With a rookie QB, you CAN'T expect veteran performance & he is working with inexperienced receivers to boot. Hue has at least through this season & next.

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST
  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #19

    Jimmy Haslam is still the owner of the Browns, right?

    I don't think Hue loses his job, but with Hillbilly Jim owning this team, it shouldn't shock anyone if he canned him. His track record indicates that it might be more surprising if he DIDN'T fire him after the season. Hopefully Haslam is fully committed to the rebuilding process.
     

    And speaking of head coaches having a two year stretch with only a few wins to show for it, and keeping their jobs, I think of John McKay of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was their original head coach when the team started up in '76, and they lost all 14 games that season, and the first 12 of the next season. The Bucs kept him around, in year 4 of their existence McKay lead them to the NFC Championship.

  • C CaineDeSoulis wrote on
    #20

    I can absolutely expect "competent" QB Play and Play Calling from our Offense Leader. We have a Fantastic Line and above average Backs that were and continue to be Woefully under used. Kizer is our current leading Rusher.... Kizer is also 3rd in loss yards from sacks... He's a rookie and i understand him to play as such. his biggest knock is his inconsistency and mental toughness. Do i think he is going to be the browns savior at QB. No i dont think he will. mental traits are nearly impossible to overcome at the next level. There was a reason he slid to the BACK HALF of the second round. i look forward to the 2018 QB Class with anticipation. Kizer has the physical tools to make it but its not likely.

    Did you know the capital of Spain is Madrid.... that's about how much relevance the 76 bucs have with any team post UFA

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