Haden a Steeler
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Almost had a int? Stop the fucking presses.
Game one in a new defense. I was happy with haden. He doesnt need to be a world beater, thats what artie burns is for. I have zero expectations for haden but hes a high character, team oriented veteran that says hes 100%. Im glad hes a steeler.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Vindication
PFF rated Haden all of 51.4 today. Once again, the FO was right...
You cant base the performance of a player off of one game. I thought he had a solid game honestly. He almost had a int.
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And then you woke up.
He did, he high pointed the ball but dropped it.
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Almost had a int? Stop the fucking presses.
Game one in a new defense. I was happy with haden. He doesnt need to be a world beater, thats what artie burns is for. I have zero expectations for haden but hes a high character, team oriented veteran that says hes 100%. Im glad hes a steeler.
Game one in a new defense. I was happy with haden. He doesnt need to be a world beater, thats what artie burns is for. I have zero expectations for haden but hes a high character, team oriented veteran that says hes 100%. Im glad hes a steeler.
I will give you that he is high character but I have a feeling here in a couple weeks there will be more than a few times where you say wtf was Haden doing there.
He is a good guy but that doesn't win football games. When he came here he bought into the city was always seen out giving back doing the right thing.
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Vindication
PFF rated Haden all of 51.4 today. Once again, the FO was right...
Vindication
PFF rated Haden all of 51.4 today. Once again, the FO was right...
How about our starting CBs?
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Kindred & Boddy-Calhoun made the top 5 in the PFF grading scale for the Browns.
Not one Steeler DB made the top 5.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-pittsburgh-steelers-21-cleveland-browns-18
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
CB JOE HADEN, 51.4 OVERALL GRADE
Haden’s first game in a new uniform coincidentally came against his former team. While he broke up a pass early on, the rest of his outing was average at best. He didn’t give up any major plays, but did allow six catches for 80 yards and a 106.3 passer rating into his coverage.
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Thanks Canton..shows what I thought.Taylor did have a tough day.----1 block punt TD...1 Taylor pulls a inside hand of Brown that was not catch-able FG...1 ball before half that could get knocked down tips to Brown TD....1 Ben throw up at end Brown high points between 3 defenders,,ballgame..it truly is a game of who creates your own lucky breaks
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Vindication
PFF rated Haden all of 51.4 today. Once again, the FO was right...
You cant base the performance of a player off of one game. I thought he had a solid game honestly. He almost had a int.
You cant base the performance of a player off of one game.
Objectively false. Baseline is exactly the same for all players of the same position - that's the utility of PFF scoring..
This is his grade for one game.
He sucked.
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Objectively false. Baseline is exactly the same for all players of the same position - that's the utility of PFF scoring..
This is his grade for one game.
He sucked.
No, our offense didnt sustain drives and our defense was on the field a lot. Slow start which is par for the course, especially on the road. Ben isnt exactly mr. Road game.
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IIRC, Haden was 1 foot away from giving up a huge bomb that just barely went out of bounds. Even with that stroke of luck he certainly was not "par for the course".
The media, fan base and even FO (if you read between the lines) view the Browns receiving corps as one of the weakest in the league, and Slow Haden was still lucky to average bogey.
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IIRC, Haden was 1 foot away from giving up a huge bomb that just barely went out of bounds. Even with that stroke of luck he certainly was not "par for the course".
The media, fan base and even FO (if you read between the lines) view the Browns receiving corps as one of the weakest in the league, and Slow Haden was still lucky to average bogey.
IIRC, Haden was 1 foot away from giving up a huge bomb that just barely went out of bounds. Even with that stroke of luck he certainly was not "par for the course".
The media, fan base and even FO (if you read between the lines) view the Browns receiving corps as one of the weakest in the league, and Slow Haden was still lucky to average bogey.
Zone, he was responsible for the underneath. Safety over the top was to blame.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Steelers gave Haden the game ball
Much like a 6th place Little League team getting a trophy.
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Haden's "zone" was responsible for six catches and 80 yards, quit trying to polish a turd.
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Kindred & Boddy-Calhoun made the top 5 in the PFF grading scale for the Browns.
Not one Steeler DB made the top 5.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-pittsburgh-steelers-21-cleveland-browns-18
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-pittsburgh-steelers-21-cleveland-browns-18
A little surprised at Zeitler's high marks... impression was he had some issues. We shall see...
No, our offense didnt sustain drives and our defense was on the field a lot. Slow start which is par for the course, especially on the road. Ben isnt exactly mr. Road game.
.... and our D had something to do with that. But if you want to blame a Steeler, blame Bell and his hold out. He clearly was not in game form.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Steelers gave Haden the game ball.
Commitment to mediocrity.
I consider it a "Participation Trophy"...you know...to make the Stoolers FO feel like that did something right.
They want to get that bad taste of Justin Gilbert out of their mouth.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Objectively false. Baseline is exactly the same for all players of the same position - that's the utility of PFF scoring..
This is his grade for one game.
He sucked.
No, our offense didnt sustain drives and our defense was on the field a lot. Slow start which is par for the course, especially on the road. Ben isnt exactly mr. Road game.
No, our offense didnt sustain drives and our defense was on the field a lot. Slow start which is par for the course, especially on the road. Ben isnt exactly mr. Road game.
The PFF grade describes only Joe Haden's individual performance.
Not the team offense.
Not the team defense.
Not the slow or fast offensive scoring rhythm.
Not the home or road stadium location.
Not the opposing team QB's performance.
This is his grade for one game. And he sucked.
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Vindication
PFF rated Haden all of 51.4 today. Once again, the FO was right...
You cant base the performance of a player off of one game. I thought he had a solid game honestly. He almost had a int.
You cant base the performance of a player off of one game. I thought he had a solid game honestly. He almost had a int.
I almost won the lottery...I was only off by 5 numbers.
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Almost had a int? Stop the fucking presses.
Game one in a new defense. I was happy with haden. He doesnt need to be a world beater, thats what artie burns is for. I have zero expectations for haden but hes a high character, team oriented veteran that says hes 100%. Im glad hes a steeler.
Game one in a new defense. I was happy with haden. He doesnt need to be a world beater, thats what artie burns is for. I have zero expectations for haden but hes a high character, team oriented veteran that says hes 100%. Im glad hes a steeler.
OK....at least this is a bit of a somewhat honest post:
1. We are fine that you are happy with a player that wasn't good enough for the Browns....and that you are glad that he is a Steeler (we are too...with our below average WR corps we want them to play against below average DBs)
2. You are right to have -0- expectations from him.....and my prediction is that he will fulfill those expectations
3. Joe IS a high character, team oriented veteran....and you should take him at his word that he will give you 100% of whatever he has...which at this point, unfortunately does not appear to be much
4. Its a good thing that Joe does not have to be a world beater (because he is not that any longer).....and its good that you think that that is what artie burns is for ....as yes, artie burns will get beat by the world.
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UPDATE: Seven weeks later PIT is #1 against the pass.
It's not because of Joe Haden alone. He has played well but there has been an improved pass-rush and the rookie corner, Burns has matured a bit.
Joe Haden replaced Ross Sockrell on the roster, who has since started one game with NYG and is not playing as well as Joe Haden. Haden covered the Chiefs Tyree Hill quite well in week 6, limiting Hill to two receptions for 15 yards against Haden in coverage. Haden also had an INT while covering AJ Green in week 7 against CIN.
PIT had a hole to fill and Joe Haden filled-in nicely. PIT has improved at the position. The GM was thrilled to get him, saying that guys like Haden are usually not available - in that quality veterans are either over-priced or over-the hill.
He was not worth was CLE was paying him. He's considered to be a good guy in the locker room, the press likes him and he has become a fan favorite.
Thus far, things have worked out quite well.
Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24.
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