Haden a Steeler
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Kindred & Boddy-Calhoun made the top 5 in the PFF grading scale for the Browns.
Not one Steeler DB made the top 5.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-pittsburgh-steelers-21-cleveland-browns-18
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
CB JOE HADEN, 51.4 OVERALL GRADE
Haden’s first game in a new uniform coincidentally came against his former team. While he broke up a pass early on, the rest of his outing was average at best. He didn’t give up any major plays, but did allow six catches for 80 yards and a 106.3 passer rating into his coverage.
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Thanks Canton..shows what I thought.Taylor did have a tough day.----1 block punt TD...1 Taylor pulls a inside hand of Brown that was not catch-able FG...1 ball before half that could get knocked down tips to Brown TD....1 Ben throw up at end Brown high points between 3 defenders,,ballgame..it truly is a game of who creates your own lucky breaks
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Vindication
PFF rated Haden all of 51.4 today. Once again, the FO was right...
You cant base the performance of a player off of one game. I thought he had a solid game honestly. He almost had a int.
You cant base the performance of a player off of one game.
Objectively false. Baseline is exactly the same for all players of the same position - that's the utility of PFF scoring..
This is his grade for one game.
He sucked.
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Objectively false. Baseline is exactly the same for all players of the same position - that's the utility of PFF scoring..
This is his grade for one game.
He sucked.
No, our offense didnt sustain drives and our defense was on the field a lot. Slow start which is par for the course, especially on the road. Ben isnt exactly mr. Road game.
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IIRC, Haden was 1 foot away from giving up a huge bomb that just barely went out of bounds. Even with that stroke of luck he certainly was not "par for the course".
The media, fan base and even FO (if you read between the lines) view the Browns receiving corps as one of the weakest in the league, and Slow Haden was still lucky to average bogey.
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IIRC, Haden was 1 foot away from giving up a huge bomb that just barely went out of bounds. Even with that stroke of luck he certainly was not "par for the course".
The media, fan base and even FO (if you read between the lines) view the Browns receiving corps as one of the weakest in the league, and Slow Haden was still lucky to average bogey.
IIRC, Haden was 1 foot away from giving up a huge bomb that just barely went out of bounds. Even with that stroke of luck he certainly was not "par for the course".
The media, fan base and even FO (if you read between the lines) view the Browns receiving corps as one of the weakest in the league, and Slow Haden was still lucky to average bogey.
Zone, he was responsible for the underneath. Safety over the top was to blame.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Steelers gave Haden the game ball
Much like a 6th place Little League team getting a trophy.
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Haden's "zone" was responsible for six catches and 80 yards, quit trying to polish a turd.
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Kindred & Boddy-Calhoun made the top 5 in the PFF grading scale for the Browns.
Not one Steeler DB made the top 5.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-pittsburgh-steelers-21-cleveland-browns-18
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-pittsburgh-steelers-21-cleveland-browns-18
A little surprised at Zeitler's high marks... impression was he had some issues. We shall see...
No, our offense didnt sustain drives and our defense was on the field a lot. Slow start which is par for the course, especially on the road. Ben isnt exactly mr. Road game.
.... and our D had something to do with that. But if you want to blame a Steeler, blame Bell and his hold out. He clearly was not in game form.
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@boo-fagley said:
The Steelers gave Haden the game ball.
Commitment to mediocrity.
I consider it a "Participation Trophy"...you know...to make the Stoolers FO feel like that did something right.
They want to get that bad taste of Justin Gilbert out of their mouth.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Objectively false. Baseline is exactly the same for all players of the same position - that's the utility of PFF scoring..
This is his grade for one game.
He sucked.
No, our offense didnt sustain drives and our defense was on the field a lot. Slow start which is par for the course, especially on the road. Ben isnt exactly mr. Road game.
No, our offense didnt sustain drives and our defense was on the field a lot. Slow start which is par for the course, especially on the road. Ben isnt exactly mr. Road game.
The PFF grade describes only Joe Haden's individual performance.
Not the team offense.
Not the team defense.
Not the slow or fast offensive scoring rhythm.
Not the home or road stadium location.
Not the opposing team QB's performance.
This is his grade for one game. And he sucked.
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Vindication
PFF rated Haden all of 51.4 today. Once again, the FO was right...
You cant base the performance of a player off of one game. I thought he had a solid game honestly. He almost had a int.
You cant base the performance of a player off of one game. I thought he had a solid game honestly. He almost had a int.
I almost won the lottery...I was only off by 5 numbers.
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Almost had a int? Stop the fucking presses.
Game one in a new defense. I was happy with haden. He doesnt need to be a world beater, thats what artie burns is for. I have zero expectations for haden but hes a high character, team oriented veteran that says hes 100%. Im glad hes a steeler.
Game one in a new defense. I was happy with haden. He doesnt need to be a world beater, thats what artie burns is for. I have zero expectations for haden but hes a high character, team oriented veteran that says hes 100%. Im glad hes a steeler.
OK....at least this is a bit of a somewhat honest post:
1. We are fine that you are happy with a player that wasn't good enough for the Browns....and that you are glad that he is a Steeler (we are too...with our below average WR corps we want them to play against below average DBs)
2. You are right to have -0- expectations from him.....and my prediction is that he will fulfill those expectations
3. Joe IS a high character, team oriented veteran....and you should take him at his word that he will give you 100% of whatever he has...which at this point, unfortunately does not appear to be much
4. Its a good thing that Joe does not have to be a world beater (because he is not that any longer).....and its good that you think that that is what artie burns is for ....as yes, artie burns will get beat by the world.
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UPDATE: Seven weeks later PIT is #1 against the pass.
It's not because of Joe Haden alone. He has played well but there has been an improved pass-rush and the rookie corner, Burns has matured a bit.
Joe Haden replaced Ross Sockrell on the roster, who has since started one game with NYG and is not playing as well as Joe Haden. Haden covered the Chiefs Tyree Hill quite well in week 6, limiting Hill to two receptions for 15 yards against Haden in coverage. Haden also had an INT while covering AJ Green in week 7 against CIN.
PIT had a hole to fill and Joe Haden filled-in nicely. PIT has improved at the position. The GM was thrilled to get him, saying that guys like Haden are usually not available - in that quality veterans are either over-priced or over-the hill.
He was not worth was CLE was paying him. He's considered to be a good guy in the locker room, the press likes him and he has become a fan favorite.
Thus far, things have worked out quite well.
Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24. -
Awesome... thanks for sharing.
Saw Joe got his first pick yesterday... on a tipped ball he gathered in five or so behind the WR in his zone, AJ Green. There was a day when he manned up and shut down AJ... back when he was a #1 CB, not the #2 you are paying him to be??? $9mm per year thru 2019... kinda steep for a #2... basically about 30% over the money we offered him. And he's amassed 12 tackles and 2 assists.
Then there's his replacement, McCourty... 3 INTs so far including a pick 6 plus 19 Tackles, a couple of which were big hits, and 5 Assists. And here's the kicker... he's signed thru 2018 for an average of $3mm/yr.
Who would you say has been the better value to this point?
Say hi to Joe for me...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
UPDATE: Seven weeks later PIT is #1 against the pass.
It's not because of Joe Haden alone. He has played well but there has been an improved pass-rush and the rookie corner, Burns has matured a bit.
Joe Haden replaced Ross Sockrell on the roster, who has since started one game with NYG and is not playing as well as Joe Haden. Haden covered the Chiefs Tyree Hill quite well in week 6, limiting Hill to two receptions for 15 yards against Haden in coverage. Haden also had an INT while covering AJ Green in week 7 against CIN.
PIT had a hole to fill and Joe Haden filled-in nicely. PIT has improved at the position. The GM was thrilled to get him, saying that guys like Haden are usually not available - in that quality veterans are either over-priced or over-the hill.
He was not worth was CLE was paying him. He's considered to be a good guy in the locker room, the press likes him and he has become a fan favorite.
Thus far, things have worked out quite well.
UPDATE: Seven weeks later PIT is #1 against the pass.
It's not because of Joe Haden alone. He has played well but there has been an improved pass-rush and the rookie corner, Burns has matured a bit.
Joe Haden replaced Ross Sockrell on the roster, who has since started one game with NYG and is not playing as well as Joe Haden. Haden covered the Chiefs Tyree Hill quite well in week 6, limiting Hill to two receptions for 15 yards against Haden in coverage. Haden also had an INT while covering AJ Green in week 7 against CIN.
PIT had a hole to fill and Joe Haden filled-in nicely. PIT has improved at the position. The GM was thrilled to get him, saying that guys like Haden are usually not available - in that quality veterans are either over-priced or over-the hill.
He was not worth was CLE was paying him. He's considered to be a good guy in the locker room, the press likes him and he has become a fan favorite.
Thus far, things have worked out quite well.
well, maybe Joe did improve that position. A D student is, after all, better than an F student. And the Steelers GM is right.....guys are usually only available because they are overpriced or over the hill. In Joe's case, both applied.
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Well guess it's one of those rare moments when it works out equally well for both teams.
Yeah, Haden wasn't a all pro his first game on his new team.
And he's been pretty rock solid since.
He has contributed positively to our team, is not regularly picked on or targeted all game like some of our previous CBs. Our pass defense went from something that was a obvious weakness that teams could exploit to LITERALLY the best in the league.
He was exactly what the Steelers needed....especially since Cleveland is picking up 3,000,000 of his salary....... and is partly responsible for us being 5-2.
Just for comparison.......how many games has McCourty helped the Clowns win?
Asking for a friend.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
Well guess it's one of those rare moments when it works out equally well for both teams.
Yeah, Haden wasn't a all pro his first game on his new team.
And he's been pretty rock solid since.
He has contributed positively to our team, is not regularly picked on or targeted all game like some of our previous CBs. Our pass defense went from something that was a obvious weakness that teams could exploit to LITERALLY the best in the league.
He was exactly what the Steelers needed....especially since Cleveland is picking up 3,000,000 of his salary....... and is partly responsible for us being 5-2.
Just for comparison.......how many games has McCourty helped the Clowns win?
Asking for a friend.
Well guess it's one of those rare moments when it works out equally well for both teams.
Yeah, Haden wasn't a all pro his first game on his new team.
And he's been pretty rock solid since.
He has contributed positively to our team, is not regularly picked on or targeted all game like some of our previous CBs. Our pass defense went from something that was a obvious weakness that teams could exploit to LITERALLY the best in the league.
He was exactly what the Steelers needed....especially since Cleveland is picking up 3,000,000 of his salary....... and is partly responsible for us being 5-2.
Just for comparison.......how many games has McCourty helped the Clowns win?
Asking for a friend.
So you like Haden's 1 INT over McCourty's 3 at more than double the price playing the 3CB on the roster to McCourty's 1CB.
Got it.
Tell your friend to go F U CK himself a ss clown.
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Well guess it's one of those rare moments when it works out equally well for both teams.
Yeah, Haden wasn't a all pro his first game on his new team.
And he's been pretty rock solid since.
He has contributed positively to our team, is not regularly picked on or targeted all game like some of our previous CBs. Our pass defense went from something that was a obvious weakness that teams could exploit to LITERALLY the best in the league.
He was exactly what the Steelers needed....especially since Cleveland is picking up 3,000,000 of his salary....... and is partly responsible for us being 5-2.
Just for comparison.......how many games has McCourty helped the Clowns win?
Asking for a friend.
Well guess it's one of those rare moments when it works out equally well for both teams.
Yeah, Haden wasn't a all pro his first game on his new team.
And he's been pretty rock solid since.
He has contributed positively to our team, is not regularly picked on or targeted all game like some of our previous CBs. Our pass defense went from something that was a obvious weakness that teams could exploit to LITERALLY the best in the league.
Lets not go honey dipping in the LSD pot. Joe may be better than what was there....but that does not make them anywhere near close to the top in the league.
He was exactly what the Steelers needed....especially since Cleveland is picking up 3,000,000 of his salary....... and is partly responsible for us being 5-2.
I am not of the opinion that Joe could not have helped the Browns. He would have added needed depth here. But he wasn't going to be the man as he once was.
Just for comparison.......how many games has McCourty helped the Clowns win?
Actually could have been a few if not for the horrible play on the other side of the ball. And for some mistakes made in how the DBs were deployed. E.g. In the first half of the Colts game.....T.Y. Hilton ran wild in the first half with Jamar Taylor on him. They switched to McCourty playing him in the second half and he shut Hilton down. Same basic thing happened vs. Pitt and A. Brown....except I don't think they did ever switch to McCourty covering him.
Asking for a friend.
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