Garrett Hurt Already
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I like how yesterday Terry Francona said how today's BASEBALL players are far superior to players in his era.....just a fact!
And football is no different, just checking the BUCKEYES depth chart today EVERY OL player over 310, unheard of in Jim Brown's era.
Football players today are NOT superior football players. What it is is that some positions are bigger, maybe stronger because of weight training and nutrition. Mainly the OL.
Running backs are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/ 60s/70. Wide receivers are no bigger/faster than in the50s/ 60s/70s. DBs and LBs are no bigger/faster than in the 60s/70s.
Defensive Ends are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/60s/70s.
I did a vast documentation of all this not too long ago.
QBs on average ARE a bit taller.
And Interior DL and OL are bigger...and probably stronger.
So, it is ONLY in those two areas where things are that much different.
Football players today are NOT superior football players. What it is is that some positions are bigger, maybe stronger because of weight training and nutrition. Mainly the OL.
Running backs are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/ 60s/70. Wide receivers are no bigger/faster than in the50s/ 60s/70s. DBs and LBs are no bigger/faster than in the 60s/70s.
Defensive Ends are no bigger/faster than in the 50s/60s/70s.
I did a vast documentation of all this not too long ago.
QBs on average ARE a bit taller.
And Interior DL and OL are bigger...and probably stronger.
So, it is ONLY in those two areas where things are that much different.
Love to see your "vast documentation"... Link? Also like how you snuck the 70's into the argument...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I audibly laughed at "pre-Madonna's".
I don't think it's a coincidence that all these "back in the good ol' days" posts are popping up this week.
It's throw-back week!
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Football players train all year 'round now-a-days. They are physically bigger (more weight) and stronger (more muscle) than they were way back when. And they are faster. As I've said before, no longer are defensive players just guys that weren't good enough to be on offense. Now, kids grow up WANTING to be LB'ers (Lawrence Taylor, Singletary, etc.) and WANTING to be DB's (Deon Sanders, etc.).
You can't run power sweeps anymore. Pulling linemen? RB's would get chased down from behind. The DE's & LB'ers are as fast as THEY are now.
Sure, Jim Brown would still be good...but he wouldn't be a 'man among boys' anymore.
note - there's a bunch (gaggle, pride, group, etc) of wild turkeys roaming the neighborhood. Time to take my dog for a walk.
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Something else that doesn't bode well for us is this:
Andy Dalton's last 4 Browns games 4 wins & 0 losses 72.6% completion 9.2 yards per attempt 9 TDs (8.8%) & 0 INTs 130.4 passer rating.
See, this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. How confident you think Dalton is about this game? They probably can't wait for the damn kickoff.
What really surprises me is how our team doesn't get that one blowout win every year, or even 2 "easy" wins a year. Those games where everything goes right. Virtually every team gets those just about every year. The game you get the pick 6, the blocked FG touchdown, or whatever. That magical game where Sheet just goes right. We don't get that. Ever.
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I would bet not. Again, these Browns simply have a size advantage over that group in a couple of areas: OL and interior DL.
Compare all the other players on the two teams.
I would take a 1964 version of Paul Warfield and Gary Collins right here right now to play on this team. Compare their sizes, weight/height/speed to our current crop of WRs.....they would be better.
Collins 6'5 215 (they don't have 40 times for players back then that I can find)
Warfield was smallish at 6'0 188. But compare to guys we got now and he is not any smaller.
And tell me any of our guys that can catch the ball the way Collins could, or run routes the way Warfield did. None of them.
That team would find a way to negate the weight disadvantage.
Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
Ha, one of our wine club guys Merve Berschet, G, Illinois 1954-55 Played for the Redskins. RIP, but I knew him well. He was damn low key about it- didn't find out for years he actually played. You would have never guessed in a million years seeing him he was big enough to play OG in the NFL- you stand next to the current crop- they blot out the sun. Asked Marvin what he was making back then. Answer is $4,000. The inflation table says that's $36k in today's dollars.
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Your bringing that era to modern day, how about taking these modern day pre-Madonna's back in time, riding a bus to far away cities, sleeping at the motel 6 equivalent, no money for all the luxuries, playing on a cow pasture with less equipment, dealing with much, much greater racism and family hardships, etc ..
Ha, one of our wine club guys Merve Berschet, G, Illinois 1954-55 Played for the Redskins. RIP, but I knew him well. He was damn low key about it- didn't find out for years he actually played. You would have never guessed in a million years seeing him he was big enough to play OG in the NFL- you stand next to the current crop- they blot out the sun. Asked Marvin what he was making back then. Answer is $4,000. The inflation table says that's $36k in today's dollars.
you would have never guessed in a million years seeing him he was big enough to play OG in the NFL- you stand next to the current crop- they blot out the sun. Asked Marvin what he was making back then. Answer is $4,000. The inflation table says that's $36k in today's dollars.
That's, of course, ANOTHER thing....the money. The money is incredible in the modern era. It's not just a bunch of ruffians that play for the love of the game. It's guys with size that see dollar signs too. Fame & fortune. They dedicate their LIVES to training and to doing what they need to to make it in the NFL. - Of course, on the other side of the coin, there's Josh Gordon.
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Good News..The picture I took at Draft of Myles Garrett being our #1 pick..Been My Home screen since April...I Took it Down Today..The Curse is over AG!!
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Maybe we should get a Voodoo doll of Big Ben? Worth a shot eh? Not sure I would be willing to spend any money on it. Maybe make 1 from scratch?
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Maybe we should get a Voodoo doll of Big Ben? Worth a shot eh? Not sure I would be willing to spend any money on it. Maybe make 1 from scratch?
Maybe we should get a Voodoo doll of Big Ben? Worth a shot eh? Not sure I would be willing to spend any money on it. Maybe make 1 from scratch?
That POS has landed face first without a helmet in a motorcycle accident and raped girls with impunity.
I'm pretty sure a voodoo doll is useless vs someone who obviously sold his soul years ago.
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Today's football players? They suck. Less practice equals less quality on the field. Pure and simple. That's where that saying came from.. you know...practice makes perfect.
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Today's football players? They suck. Less practice equals less quality on the field. Pure and simple. That's where that saying came from.. you know...practice makes perfect.
Today's football players? They suck. Less practice equals less quality on the field. Pure and simple. That's where that saying came from.. you know...practice makes perfect.
Plus they don't practice hard.. Which is why there are more injuries in the game...
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Today's football players? They suck. Less practice equals less quality on the field. Pure and simple. That's where that saying came from.. you know...practice makes perfect.
Plus they don't practice hard.. Which is why there are more injuries in the game...
Plus they don't practice hard.. Which is why there are more injuries in the game...
And the average player is still bigger, faster, stronger than generations past.
A 6' 2" 210 lb player today has been in formal training longer some since junior high and high school and in weight reps, 40 times, vertical jumps, etc. etc. better than even their 6' 2" 210 lb players from yesteryear..... don't believe it just ask any former player.
Oh yes less big physical contact and reduced training time to cut down on concussions will affect playing sharpness on the field at least early on in the season.
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Plus they don't practice hard.. Which is why there are more injuries in the game...
And the average player is still bigger, faster, stronger than generations past.
A 6' 2" 210 lb player today has been in formal training longer some since junior high and high school and in weight reps, 40 times, vertical jumps, etc. etc. better than even their 6' 2" 210 lb players from yesteryear..... don't believe it just ask any former player.
Oh yes less big physical contact and reduced training time to cut down on concussions will affect playing sharpness on the field at least early on in the season.
And the average player is still bigger, faster, stronger than generations past.
A 6' 2" 210 lb player today has been in formal training longer some since junior high and high school and in weight reps, 40 times, vertical jumps, etc. etc. better than even their 6' 2" 210 lb players from yesteryear..... don't believe it just ask any former player.
Oh yes less big physical contact and reduced training time to cut down on concussions will affect playing sharpness on the field at least early on in the season.
These soft, "less-skilled" players of today would annihilate the "real men" teams of a generation or two ago. It would be an absolute bloodbath.
I know it doesn't fit into the "HEY YOU KIDS GET OFF MY DAMNED LAWN" narrative pushed on here, but it's true.
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And the average player is still bigger, faster, stronger than generations past.
A 6' 2" 210 lb player today has been in formal training longer some since junior high and high school and in weight reps, 40 times, vertical jumps, etc. etc. better than even their 6' 2" 210 lb players from yesteryear..... don't believe it just ask any former player.
Oh yes less big physical contact and reduced training time to cut down on concussions will affect playing sharpness on the field at least early on in the season.
These soft, "less-skilled" players of today would annihilate the "real men" teams of a generation or two ago. It would be an absolute bloodbath.
I know it doesn't fit into the "HEY YOU KIDS GET OFF MY DAMNED LAWN" narrative pushed on here, but it's true.
These soft, "less-skilled" players of today would annihilate the "real men" teams of a generation or two ago. It would be an absolute bloodbath.
I know it doesn't fit into the "HEY YOU KIDS GET OFF MY DAMNED LAWN" narrative pushed on here, but it's true.
Go back to the old rules and they would not survive Night Train Lane and D. Butkus. Most of the skilled players on offense would be on protocol by halftime.
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Football players train all year 'round now-a-days. They are physically bigger (more weight) and stronger (more muscle) than they were way back when. And they are faster. As I've said before, no longer are defensive players just guys that weren't good enough to be on offense. Now, kids grow up WANTING to be LB'ers (Lawrence Taylor, Singletary, etc.) and WANTING to be DB's (Deon Sanders, etc.).
You can't run power sweeps anymore. Pulling linemen? RB's would get chased down from behind. The DE's & LB'ers are as fast as THEY are now.
Sure, Jim Brown would still be good...but he wouldn't be a 'man among boys' anymore.
note - there's a bunch (gaggle, pride, group, etc) of wild turkeys roaming the neighborhood. Time to take my dog for a walk.
Sure, Jim Brown would still be good...but he wouldn't be a 'man among boys' anymore.
Bingo...
Jim was a physical specimen in an age of underdeveloped physiques... when 270 linemen were "big" and 300 pounders were rare. When 240# LBs ran like linemen run today and 200# DBs ran like today's LBs.
It's the strength at speed that separates today's pro athletes from those of my NFL fandom's formative years.
Jim might still be "the man", but it would be as a man among men.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
These soft, "less-skilled" players of today would annihilate the "real men" teams of a generation or two ago. It would be an absolute bloodbath.
I know it doesn't fit into the "HEY YOU KIDS GET OFF MY DAMNED LAWN" narrative pushed on here, but it's true.
Go back to the old rules and they would not survive Night Train Lane and D. Butkus. Most of the skilled players on offense would be on protocol by halftime.
Go back to the old rules and they would not survive Night Train Lane and D. Butkus. Most of the skilled players on offense would be on protocol by halftime.
The "new" rules were largely put in place to keep today's players from literally killing each other.
And you cannot just cherry pick a few players from yesteryear to compare to today's players it just doesn't work......and YES I grew up watching 1950s and 60s players!
And I'm 67 dammit and keep your stuff off my lawn!
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Jim Brown couldn't run power sweeps today? The fucking guy played at 228 without testosterone injections. He would annihilate today's defenses.
He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
He just might have been above average. In case you don't remember Jim was running over 230 pound defensive ends, not the 270+ pound guys of today's NFL.. The 3-4 defense with linebackers weighing at least as much- or 250 ish and almost as fast might have made a slight difference on running power sweeps. DUH. So stop the hero worship.
You are truly a dumb Shmuck. Lamar Lundy, Rosie Greer, Carl Eller, Merlin Olsen, etc etc etc....all.tony guys Right?
Tell me again how much difference those dome a dozen fat butt OL we got make a difference?
Tell me.how shitty the Bengals are and how bad Dalton is.
Before you do, get Flugel off his knees and let him tell us again "Williams will have the defense whipped onto a frenzy.
I bet you guys alllooked.loke you are a big Ghoolie Sheet sandwich today.
When it comes to football,pal....O am the king. Tell me.again how Lewis goes before Hue.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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