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  • OconReconO OconRecon

    @shepwrite said:

    When I heard the details...

    I like the he "flashed his lights and honked his horn" part. How 'bout using those brakes Donte?!

    @oconrecon said:

    I like the he "flashed his lights and honked his horn" part. How 'bout using those brakes Donte?!

    You have never been driving a wide road and had somebody start to cross the road in a effort to time it so you go by and they can cross the street to beat all the traffic?

    If the guy just darts out....sorry, you aren't expecting that....and from the photos I remember, he was stopped pretty close to where the guy was hit, so he probably was breaking...there was no where to go to the left, and with anti-skid breaks these days, you aren't going to leave a skid mark to indicate you are breaking.

    It will all play out

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • Calm down JAD...lol

    I assume they are lawyers and don't say much about the case, leaving it for trial.

    Also, I am not assuming anything. I am simply presenting some scenarios that are at least plausible and realistic.

    Shoot, maybe Donte was playing Death Race 2000 and though a Mexican crossing the road was worth 50 points.

    Point is I don't know what happened or how it played out, but it seems many are pretty eager to convict the guy without knowing what they are talking about.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • Stallworth will never play for the Browns again, it is time to put that officially to rest.

    Is a pig's ass pork?
    ballpeenB HowieDawgH 2 Replies
  • Riffer XR Riffer X

    Stallworth will never play for the Browns again, it is time to put that officially to rest.

    @riffer-x said:

    Stallworth will never play for the Browns again, it is time to put that officially to rest.

    I tend to agree.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • the fact that he's a high paid athlete I think he should have more to lose than just your normal every day guy. and I'd say the same thing if he was a politician, movie star ect.

    You lose me there.

    You don't have different levels of the law for different classes...though it seems many these days seem ready to rape and pillage anybody or anything that isn't getting federal assistance.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • Playing in the NFL is a privledge??????????? It's a damn job that a few talented people earn.... Privledge, I don't think so.....

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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @oconrecon said:

    I like the he "flashed his lights and honked his horn" part. How 'bout using those brakes Donte?!

    You have never been driving a wide road and had somebody start to cross the road in a effort to time it so you go by and they can cross the street to beat all the traffic?

    If the guy just darts out....sorry, you aren't expecting that....and from the photos I remember, he was stopped pretty close to where the guy was hit, so he probably was breaking...there was no where to go to the left, and with anti-skid breaks these days, you aren't going to leave a skid mark to indicate you are breaking.

    It will all play out

    @ballpeen said:

    You have never been driving a wide road and had somebody start to cross the road in a effort to time it so you go by and they can cross the street to beat all the traffic?

    If the guy just darts out....sorry, you aren't expecting that....and from the photos I remember, he was stopped pretty close to where the guy was hit, so he probably was breaking...there was no where to go to the left, and with anti-skid breaks these days, you aren't going to leave a skid mark to indicate you are breaking.

    It will all play out

    Exactly. This isn't exactly some side street bereft of traffic.

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  • @shepwrite said:

    Right. Like I said, when I read that the guy was running across a causeway, it occurred to me that Stallworth wouldn't be locked in a dungeon somewhere for this. If he hadn't been over the limit, there may have been no charges at all.

    He'll get aggravated DUI, I bet. There's also vehicular homicide, right?

    You put the two together and you end up with the 12 years being talked about.

    Now it looks like the vehicular homicide is what the defense is going to argue be dropped and just the DUI is going to be sought. No getting around that.

    Many DUI laws were hastily written under pressure from mad mothers....if you were over the limit, you were assumed at fault with everything in the world even when in some circumstances the alcohol had absolutely nothing to do with the accident...like you going through a green traffic signal and someone else runs the red. The crazy thinking was you shouldn't have been there in the first place, so if you weren't, the accident wouldn't have happened.

    Crazy

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • @shepwrite said:

    When I heard the details, I knew he wasn't doing hard time. The guy was jaywalking on a causeway where cars drive 55. It doesn't absolve Stallworth but it mitigates for sure. Now it becomes a horrifically unfortunate incident that required multiple elements... one of which was Stallworth's nominal intoxication (he wasn't trashed... wasn't it like .12?).

    He will be punished -- should be -- but it won't be huge.

    Where does he fit on the Browns' roster? No idea. If the Browns can cope with the PR issues and feel that Stallworth is truly repentant and willing to face the music, he would rank above Patten and Furrey, I'd think. He's a natural slot.

    Sad but true however if it was any of us that had time to flash our lights and still hit a jaywalker with our blood alcohol at 0.125 we would do 8 years or more regardless of the circumstances....hehehehehe

    I never had faith that stallworth could help this club to begin with so i figure its only a matter of time before the browns organization cuts him loose being he has had problems in the past not to mention the league itself does not take kindly to these kind of things...

    We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!

  • The pressure grows yearly as the population continues to grow and more and more alcohol related accidents occur. Not to mention a tragic accident that the media gets a hold of, it puts tremendous pressure on local courts with special interest lobbyists.

    Mitch Albom was grandstanding after the Angels pitcher got killed claiming we shouldn't even have alcohol commercials anymore. So many people use this stuff as moral crusading and for people who like to have a few and can handle it it sucks pretty bad. Not having the ability to drive across town knowing that you'll probably blow over the limit when pulled over for some kind of make believe Bs really sucks, and the penalties will screw your life up good.

    Most of this is due to population increase and more drivers on the road, it's really that simple. Plus, it is a major revenue maker obviously.

    Not condoning driving effed up BTW.

    Is a pig's ass pork?
  • Not condoning driving effed up BTW.

    I know you're not. .08 is extremely low. Most anybody can drive a vehicle at .12, and most of us probably have without any severe consequences. Face it, they aren't going to set the legal limit just below the point people are weaving...it's set at about half.

    I agree, the penalty v the offense is very severe.

    Heck, when I was a young guy the cops most times would just follow you home and tell you to sleep it off.

    Times change.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • Riffer XR Riffer X

    Stallworth will never play for the Browns again, it is time to put that officially to rest.

    @riffer-x said:

    Stallworth will never play for the Browns again, it is time to put that officially to rest.

    I wouldn't be keen on having him back on the team even if he hadn't had that accident.

    Tailgate loving, Steelers hating, Trans-Atlantic Browns fan. Annually disappointed since '88. Annually optimistic since '88. GO BROWNS!

  • @shepwrite said:

    Yes, he was drinking and driving, but a .126 isn't the story of a guy who got hammered and then behind the wheel. Probably means about 4 drinks, I'm guessing but time is a factor. Based on the time (early morning) could be the story of a guy who tried to sleep it off a little and thought he had.

    The typical male can expect a rise in BAC (Blood Alcohol content) of .02 per drink. For a smaller person or a female, it's more like .03 per drink. A more muscular person has less of a rise in BAC per drink than a person with a higher percentage of body fat. It takes about an hour for the liver to bring that back down to zero given no further drinking. .12 BAC is sufficient to impair senses, balance, and reflexes as well as judgment. At a rate of .02-.03 per hour it would have taken an additional 4-6 hours of "sleeping it off" to get back down to zero.

    FYI, these rules don't change for sporting events and tailgating. People who live in glass houses ....

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  • They won't release him till he legal processions are made and probably not till after the Commish makes his ruling.

    Don't want to convict him so to speak before they do legally.

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  • I deal with decisions on car accidents every day. Florida is a pure comparitive negligence state. If another person helped contribute to their own injuries then they are liable for that % of the damages.

    For a different example. If you are driving without your seatbelt and bust up your face on the windshield. You are likely to be held 20 to 30% at fault for contributing to your own injury..even if the other guy is completely at fault for the accident itself. reason is..if you had your seatbelt on you may not have busted up your face on the windshield.

    This situation is different of course.. but if the guy was jaywalking.. he had an "assumption of risk" in otherwords..by jaywalking he is assuming a portion of the risk of crossing the street. stallworth would be less liable for hitting him. It makes perfect sense.. Stallworth is still going to be hammered for this. the question is how badly. He certainly will get tagged in any civil trial financially..criminal is a crapshoot.... as for football. Who knows...

  • Just wanting to add my two cents in here but if the man was not in donte's lane (waiting to cross his lane) at the time it would make perfect sense to just flash the lights and honk the horn. i have done this before around town when someones in the median fixin to cross. Mr. Reyes had just gotten off work on the graveyard shift and was most likely dog ass tired. if he timed it wrong to cross and at the speed donte was going (around 45-55mph) there would have been tenths of a second to react. As i understand it Donte had the right of way being in his lane and whatnot. Mr. Reyes was not. not saying that Stallworth was in the clear but if Reyes were in a crosswalk it would have never happened. Just because Stallworth didnt live up to some fans expectations on the field doesnt mean he should be cruxified for his mistakes off the field.

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